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Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
This question came up in my Sunday School class. The teacher said that when Jesus said that He did not know the hour of His return, He was on earth. But now He is in Heaven with God and Jesus knows everything.
I have heard so many spirit filled people talking about how God has put in their heart and urgency about how it will not be long before the trumpet blows and we shall be gathered to be with Jesus.
It is like smelling the fall coming in the air.
I honestly believe we can feel the season of the rapture upon us. We must be praying more for the lost and working for Jesus while we can.
betty
This board is indeed a testimony to the truth of what you say. Many of us feel impressed upon by the Spirit that these times are special times.
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This question came up in my Sunday School class. The teacher said that when Jesus said that He did not know the hour of His return, He was on earth. But now He is in Heaven with God and Jesus knows everything.
I have heard so many spirit filled people talking about how God has put in their heart and urgency about how it will not be long before the trumpet blows and we shall be gathered to be with Jesus.
It is like smelling the fall coming in the air.
I honestly believe we can feel the season of the rapture upon us. We must be praying more for the lost and working for Jesus while we can.
betty
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I posted this in another thread. I kinda got lost in there. So I posted it here. I included WhiteEagle's quote only because it was part of my original post. Blessings...
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Originally posted by WhiteEagle:
Even if it did, which it doesn't. that teaching gives lie to the fact that NO ONE KNOWS the HOUR that Christ will return, not even the angels in heaven, only the Father. It will be like the days of Noah, when the unrighteous will be totally unprepared when Christ returns to claim His Kingdom
I must admit I have not studied the time line of the end-times. Some day I'll get to it.
I'd like to address these scriptures:
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Matt. 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only."
Mark 13:32 "32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
It is interesting that when we quote this truism we quote the Matthew version: "No one knows the hour, not any man or even the angels." This is a much safer version than the Mark version because the Mark version includes "the Son" among the "unknowing".
I think including the Son does not sit well with us...to say "Jesus does not know of His own return" seem somehow wrong.
Well, I think it is wrong.
1) The word "knows" is a present-tense knowing. "Today, no one knows." But what about tomorrow? Today no one knows the outcome of the Super bowl. When it is over everyone will know.
So, is there a "knowing event" for the hour of Jesus' return. I think so.
2) Paul writes in 1 Thessalonians 5 "But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape."
and then He goes on to say, "But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness."
So, the sons of light, the Christians, are not in darkness and therefore the "day" will not overtake them as a thief in the night. We will be able to see the day approaching. (I think this forum is a testimony to the truth of that).
3) Let's consider what the Son knows now. We know that the timing of the "day" was solely the Father's at one time...that is: only He had the information. "No one *presently* knows but the Father" so, if the Son now knows (this is where I am going) then when was it given to him?
Remember Matthew and Mark record (together) "no one knows; not man, the angels, or the Son".
Now, here is where the information is shared:
Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants--things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw."
Notice
a) It was God's Revelation 1st.
b) It was given to the Son.
b) The Son gave it to an angel.
c) It was given to a man, John.
Mark 13:32 reads "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
No one knows not: man > angels > Son > Only Father
Revelation 1:1 reverses the order.
Given from Father > Son > angel > man (John).
So, now (presently) the Son and the angels and man know the day. For "We are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief."
Furthermore:
John 16: "I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
See, there it is: "All things that the Father has are mine (even the knowledge of the Day) and I will declare them to you."
We need only have ears to hear and eyes to see.
We have many great watchmen on this board. Watch on! For the Lord approaches!
Bless you,
Aaron
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