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I know I've got a loooooonnnng way to go.... but I'll get there.

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LOL I know what you mean! I feel the same way! No matter how much I 'think' I may know, it seems like I've still got So Much more to learn and Grow! I guess it will always be like this as long as we're still in the Flesh

This place has been a tremendous help to me Especially Helpforhomeschoolers and Caretaker. There are many others here as well who are solidly grounded in God's Word, but I consider these two Brethern to be like Elders for me. When I can't figure something out, I usually go running to one of them LOL I've known them both about two years now and have never known either to post anything that was contrary to God's Word.

I can't wait to read your testimony once you get it done! PRAISE GOD!!!! The Lord pulled out of the New Age lies. I was headed down a very deadly road myself.

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LOL Don't worry about that, it just takes time Just like learning God's Word!

I hope you won't let this turn you away from Jesus! He DOES Love you and All People. It's just that HIS Word (The Bible) has very Specific instructions on how we're supposed to handle the majority of issues in life (especially when it comes to His (God's) teaching and sticking to what's in the Bible). The whole reason people have to speak out against certain teachers is because they leave what's in the Bible and start teaching things that God never taught us (or what the Bible calls "Doctrines of Devils"). All he instructed us is in The Bible and we're told not to add to it or take away from it.

I hope you'll read the article on a "What The Bible Says About A Godly Attitude Toward Heresy."

The real danger of False Teachers is to the New Christian who doesn't know what the Bible says. How are you supposed to know what is and isn't in there if you haven't had the time to read or study it? A New Christian needs to rely on Teachers until they become familiar with God's Word and how to check things out for themselves. This leaves the New Christian very vunarable to False Teaching/Teachers and it's up to those Christians who have been at this a while to help with issues of Discernment. The Bible WARNS the Believer that False Christs, False Prophets, and False Teachers WILL be among us (even in our Churches) and that they would increase and their teachings would become more Anti-Christ as we near the End of The Age (and Jesus' Second Coming). (Matt 24)

Whenever I post things about teachers, I always try to make sure there is a 'source' quoted so the reader can check the info out for themselves. I also 'try' to show how what's being taught is Unscriptural (although I'm not always ablt too but there are many here who are Much Better at this!). I do rely on "Discernment Ministries" to see what False Teachings are out there, but I make sure that what they claim is backed up by Scripture and other sources. (This is actually helping me to learn How to Search things out!).

At any rate, we as Disciples of Jesus Christ are Not to Bear False Witness (lie about) against anyone. I would NOT post such things if I were not 100% what was being said was true.

I hope you'll check every thing out yourself. It's gonna take Time. Daily Study and Prayer, but I think Our Lord and Savior is Definitely Worth It!

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As much as I appreciate your gentle and forgiving spirit, I think if a grizzly bear was in the process of mauling you to death, you'd still be trying to convince us how sweet and loving the bear really is.

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I had to wonder what good things could come of the changes several of you describe in Rev. Graham. My mother would be a good example. She had a couple of tragedies in her life that turned her away from church and God - she's a liberal Democrat who has nothing good to say about our current administration. When she heard that Rev. Graham had good things to say about the Clintons, she started listening and broadened her outlook a little bit. Now she's going to church with me.

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I'm not saying that Bill Clinton behaved in any way that was Christ-like. However, I don't believe anyone is immune from temptation and sin, perhaps just different ones from what he fell prey to. Also, anything I would do is not likely to make the international news since I'm not a public figure.

When President Kennedy was in office, we're now finding out that he indulged in some of the same behaviors. The difference was the era in which he lived. The press more or less 'protected' politicians - since Watergate that has drastically changed and the press digs and prods until they find something negative to report. I recall an interview Oprah Winfrey did with the late John Kennedy, Jr. She asked what his father would have done in this day and time, in a situation such as the Clinton scandal.

John Kennedy replied that his father more than likely would not have run for public office if he were alive today.

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As I said, I haven't listened to Rev. Graham preach for a long time, so I only know the reports of what he said. However, his coming across as a bit more reasonable and non-judgmental was of benefit to some people, including my mother. He made them see that not all Christians are narrow minded, judgmental bigots. Unfortunately, that's the reputation we sometimes acquire among non-believers.

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1 John 4:1"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits, whether they be of God; because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

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[I]Rev. 2: 12And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
13I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
14But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
16Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
17He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Rev 2:18And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28And I will give him the morning star.
29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Rev. 3: 14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
20Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
21To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

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I think we should give Billy Graham a break. After all he is 86 yrs old and may not express himself as accurately as he should.

I have always found him to be the least compromising preacher I have ever heard, and his planted seed is now showing in his son Franklin.

We are now seeing a more frail Billy Graham , with multiple medical problems, and many interpret his more mellow and loving nature as compromising. I see the gentler side of Jesus in him.

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Sending people that come up to be saved back to the Catholic Church or to the Jewish Synagogue is just wrong. The reason they came up in the first place was that they were not getting the message of the plan of salvation.
His comment of not going to attempt to convert other religions is just plain wrong. When people of other faiths came to Jesus, he did not tell them sorry; you need to go back to your home Church.

I have talked to far too many Catholics who think that they are going to Heaven because they were baptized as a baby. I talked to a young girl of 13, who bragged about using the Lord's name in vain every day. She said that she was a good Catholic. I talked to great link with a sweet young lady who told me that as long as she went to mass on Saturday and prayed to Mary that she was saved. These people need the truth.
When a Bible believing Preacher has these people come up for salvation, then they should attempt to convert them. What is the crusade for, if not to convert people?

I am at a lost for words to describe how frustrating it is for me to see people condone this type of behavior by a Preacher.

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Originally posted by SoftTouch: ... Did you even read my reply to your last question?

Am I a False Teacher because I couldn't remember word for word what I'd seen on a DVD? I did post the entire Transcript once I found it on the internet. Let's look at those words again...

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GRAHAM: Well, Christianity and being a true believer--you know, I think there's the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival, that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that's what God is doing today, He's calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don't have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they're going to be with us in heaven.

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"Good Grief... "And another thing..." ??? Peh, Either I'm reading your words wrong, or you're trying to sound condesending on purpose? There is a definite tone to the last couple of posts you've posted to me. Did you even read my reply to your last question?"

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PROLOGUE

Is it necessary for people to know about Jesus Christ, the Messiah, the Son of God born in Bethlehem, in order for them to be saved and receive eternal life? Will a pagan who does not believe in Christ but who lives a religious and moral life -- devoted to his or her “God” and practising charitable works - be excluded from heaven? Is it right to refer to unbelievers as being “lost”? Is it only Christians who have the indwelling Holy Spirit or Christ living in them? These are some of the questions being asked today by many evangelicals in church leadership and on the mission field.

Prior to the last few decades such questions were easily answered with a resounding “Yes!” in each case, in the full knowledge of scriptural support. But as relativism, sentiment and psychobabble have become the dominant influences in the life of the Church, many are no longer willing to be guided by the plain teaching of the Bible concerning eternal salvation and eternal condemnation, but instead they have substituted either what they “feel” to be correct or whatever harmonizes with the prevailing trends of the day.

We are now in the process of a massive shift in the religious life of this planet. At the heart of this process is the Hegelian notion that all religions essentially worship the same God and are merely different pathways to ultimate truth and perfection. This notion challenges the uniqueness and exclusiveness of the Christian message concerning the Lord Jesus Christ and the need for the Gospel to be preached to all nations. It is part of a dark, universal process by which the very fabric of the body of truth we call Christianity is being torn apart.

In this brief paper we shall look, first, at the main influences which have led to the systematic global breakdown of the exclusive nature of the Christian Gospel. Second, we shall examine the way that popular teachings in the Church today about the indwelling Christ or Holy Spirit in unbelievers correspond closely with those of the occult and New Age spirituality which have so besotted the world. Third, we shall address the question of whether it is possible for a person who hasn’t heard about Christ to be saved.

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Popular ideas about a universal Christ or Holy Spirit unconditionally indwelling people will intensify during the coming years and will be increasingly professed even by leading evangelicals. Most church members today are highly confused about all this, with different ideas coming at them from all quarters - especially from well-known personalities on the lecture circuit: deceptive chameleons who say out of one side of their mouths that no one can be saved apart from Christ, but who say out of the other that unbelievers can have Christ indwelling them anyway.

The obvious solution is to seek out pastors and teachers who will ensure that “we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting...” (Eph.4:14-15). Neither should we allow our beliefs to be coloured by fashion or sentiment but only by what is plainly revealed in the whole of Scripture. The right to become the children of God is granted only “to those who believe in [Christ’s] name” (Jn.1:12). It can only be in Satan’s interests to teach otherwise, as the fallen angel, in his closing days, attempts to prevent souls from being saved by the proclamation and reception of the Christian Gospel.

New Age spirituality authors and teachers make a great deal out of the fact that they see the worldwide Ecumenical Movement as being the main tool to bring Christian churches into the planned global New World Order Religion. Listen to the way in which Djwal Khul, the discarnate “Ascended Master” of the occultists and New Age spirituality people, prophesies the planned Ecumenical Movement, speaking through the influential theosophist Alice Bailey, in her 1934 book, “The Externalization of the Hierarchy”:

“Eventually, there will appear the Church Universal, and its definite outlines will appear towards the end of [the 20th] century. This Church will be nurtured into activity by the Christ and His disciples...when the true second coming has been accomplished. No date for the advent do I set, but the time will not be long. The Christian church, in its many branches, can serve as a St. John the Baptist, as a voice crying in the wilderness, and as a nucleus through which world illumination may be accomplished... Its work is intended to be the holding of a broad platform...”.[36]

The “Second Coming” of the “Christ” of the New Spirituality people is what true Christians will recognise as the revealing of the Antichrist. The preparation for that time is surely taking place in what we see today through the “fascism of enforced oneness” in ecumenism, interfaithism and other developments in the religious and national life of this planet. The present castration of the witness of the Gospel through the notion that one does not need to believe in Christ in order to be saved is also a major component in this diverse time of active eschatological preparation.

Anyone in spiritual leadership (e.g. pastors, teachers, elders, directors of Christian organisations) who is not preparing people to mount a defence against the all-out assault on the unique nature of faith in Christ, as effected through the Illuminati-inspired Interfaith or Ecumenical Movements and other promoters of the New Spirituality has abdicated responsibility and is already contributing to the Great Apostasy now in progress. What many fail to realise is that the pretended realisation of peace on this planet toward which these movements are working will merely serve as a harbinger of divine wrath. As the Apostle Paul states:

“For it is when they say, ‘Peace and safety!’ that sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober” (1 Thess.5:3-6).

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Note: in the word for word Mr. Graham said "I think there's the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the Body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival, that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God's purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name."

So are you a false teacher because you posted originally that he said, "rather they know Christ or not. I believe they are saved" and he did not say that?

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In this interview Billy Graham says: "God is calling a people out for himself. Among the Muslim, Buddist, Hindu, all people, rather they know Christ or not. I believe they are saved." (paraphrase)

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Hmmm, seems to me that buying a video filled with other people's mistakes isn't the type of video I would want to buy. I don't expect people to turn their head and ignore what has been said, but publically ridiculing people for one mistake or a couple they have made when they have been in ministry for years isn't the right way to go about it.

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Please be so kind as to provide an example of the instances where people are pointed out as being false teachers/prophets in Scripture.

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What exactly does God have to tell us about naming names in our fight against heresy? What examples can we find in Scripture for being name-specific? I think the answers to these questions will prove beyond any doubt that the practice adopted by discernment ministries of identifying false teachers by name is not only biblically sound, but absolutely necessary.


PAUL NAMED PETER PUBLICLY. Scripture tells us that as the Apostle Paul was speaking to the church at Galatia, he felt it necessary to tell them of his public rebuke of the Apostle Peter. The whole issue revolved around Peter’s hypocritical actions toward the church at Antioch, which was a major church of Gentile Christians. Peter showed by his actions that he agreed with salvation by grace, but in his treatment of the Gentile Christians he began to pull away and favor the old ceremonial law.


Peter was guilty of unscriptural practice, a problem so serious that it required the public rebuke by Paul: “But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed...But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of the Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?” (Galatians 2:11-14). When the integrity and purity of the gospel is at stake, then we have no choice when it comes to the matter of exposing error and naming names.


PAUL NAMED DEMAS. Paul (while in prison) writes to evangelist Timothy and asks him to come quickly to Rome and give him help and company. In his letter, Paul instructs Timothy of the necessity to “...reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” (2 Timothy 4:2-4).


Paul then names Demas as one who had left him for the comforts of the world. Love of this present world is often the cause of apostasy from the truths and ways of Jesus Christ. “For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world...” (2 Timothy 4:10). Those who forsake the cause of Christ for worldly living and pleasures should be named and exposed.


PAUL NAMED ALEXANDER THE COPPERSMITH. After Paul names Demas as a deserter from the faith, he names Alexander as a man who had done him great evil. “Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works: Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words.” (2 Timothy 4:14-15).


Evidence suggests that Alexander (Acts 19:33) may have been a Christian who had apostatized to Judaism. Paul tells us in 2 Corinthians 11:26 that he was in as much danger from false brethren as from his open enemies. In any event, it is clear that this is not a personality problem, but a doctrinal problem. Alexander had withstood the words and doctrine of Paul and was an enemy to the truth.


Godly pastors face the same problem today. No sooner do they stand for and proclaim the truth than their members go home and hear the words of the Lord disputed by radio and TV evangelists and preachers. There are many “Alexanders” in the Christian church today who should be named and exposed.


PAUL NAMED HYMENAEUS AND ALEXANDER. Paul advises Timothy to “...war a good warfare; Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.” (1 Timothy 1:18-20). Here Paul names Hymenaeus as well as Alexander as two who had abandoned the Christian faith.


Paul had a strong conviction about consistent spiritual warfare, even in times of opposition and discouragement. Because these two men had left the faith, they had made shipwreck of it, and Paul exposed them and called their names. It is worth noting in this passage that Paul is not talking about the faith of salvation but faith as a system of doctrine.


PAUL NAMED HYMENAEUS AND PHILETUS. After telling Timothy to “study” that he might be able to rightly divide the word of truth, Paul names Hymenaeus and Philetus as two men who had introduced false doctrines and heresy into the church. “But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.” (2 Timothy 2:16-18).


Paul explains that erroneous teachings, when left unchallenged, spread like gangrene. If they are not dealt with and exposed, they infect the faith of many. In this passage, Paul is talking about the resurrection of the dead which is a cardinal doctrine of Christianity. He names these corrupt teachers and sets a brand upon them to warn all people against harkening to their words.


JOHN NAMED DIOTREPHES. “I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.” (3 John 1:9). John calls Diotrephes by name as a minister who was filled with pride and an unchristian spirit. He then relates how this man had prated against him “with malicious words” (verse 10). He further said, “Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God, but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.” (verse 11). According to John, it is not wrong to name those whose characters and practices are contrary to the Word of God.


MOSES NAMED BALAAM. “And when the *** saw the angel of the LORD, she thrust herself unto the wall, and crushed Balaam's foot against the wall: and he smote her again.” (Numbers 22:25). Balaam, son of Beor the soothsayer, lived at Pethor on the bank of the Euphrates River. His teachings were an abomination unto God, and Numbers 22:32 records that the angel of the Lord told Balaam, “...thy way is perverse before Me.” Balaam was summoned by Moabite king Balak to curse the Israelites before they entered Canaan.


When speaking about backsliders, Balaam is also named by Jude. “Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.” (Jude 1:11). Balaam’s sin was one of greed or covetousness, as he was paid well by Balak. He was a prophet who was in the work for money, just like some of the TV false prophets today who beg for money from the masses and live like kings!


Peter names Balaam when he speaks of false teachers who “...have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam….” (2 Peter 2:15). In naming Balaam, the Bible condemns the greed of all who are well paid to tempt God's people into compromise.


NATHAN IDENTIFIED KING DAVID. It is a popular opinion today that some people are in such elevated positions of power or authority that they should not be named or exposed. Men in high places, pastors of large churches, and those with great radio or TV audiences are supposedly above criticism. But Scripture indicates otherwise.


David was just such a man in a very high place. Because of his position as king, I am sure David felt that he could not be rebuked by a lowly prophet. Nevertheless, that is exactly what happened when he was confronted by Nathan! Using the parable of the “one little ewe lamb,” Nathan confronted David with his double sin, the murder of Uriah the Hittite and his adultery with Bathsheba, Uriah's wife: “...Nathan said to David, Thou art the man.” (2 Samuel 12:7).


JEHU NAMED KING JEHOSHAPHAT. In many ways Jehoshaphat was a good king, but he was not above reproach. He caused his son to marry wicked King Ahab’s daughter. (2 Chronicles 18:1 and 21:1-6) He also made an alliance with Ahab and went to the battle of Ramoth-gilead with him (2 Chronicles 18). When Jehoshaphat returned safely home to Jerusalem, he was confronted by Jehu, the son of Hanani the Prophet, who “...said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.” (2 Chronicles 19:1-2).


Jehu had no fear of naming and reproving another king. He understood it as a great mercy for the king to be made aware of his faults in a timely fashion, that he might repent before it was too late. The very same question asked by Jehu could be asked of those today who insist on giving allegiance and support to the ungodly doctrines of the Word of Faith Movement: “Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD?”


Yes, it is right to expose error and to name those “...who privily shall bring in damnable heresies...” (2 Peter 2:1). The whole Bible abounds in examples. It is right to “...earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints” (Jude 3). It was once delivered, and it has never been rescinded, repealed, or deleted! Ministers of the Gospel have been charged with a sacred trust to present the Word of God with courage, honesty, and a good conscience. Faithful messengers will warn the sheep of these heretics and identify them by name. It is not enough to broadly hint of their identity, for the young lambs will not understand and will be destroyed by the wolves!

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But ultimately we are not the ones who decide who is and who is not a false prophet

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Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
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Sadly, instead of people being upset at what is said, people are being upset at those who talked about it. The reality is Rev. Billy Graham and Rev. Joel Osteen both have made major mistakes

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We are Accountable to God and to one another. The Bible is FULL of instances where people were pointed out (By Name) as being False Teachers or False Prophets. Are we not to follow the example set for us?

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Soft Touch,
One thing that came to mind, and I'm not saying this is the case here, is that video is so easy to manipulate. Editing has a way of making people say and do things they didn't mean. It can show a totally different meaning than the original context. For example, someone could say, "I was accused of saying, 'I hate gays'". It is so easy to edit out the first part, and show the person saying, "I hate gays".

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