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Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
This reminds me of the kinds of things that Rome did under the guise of Christianity in the dark ages and in the Holy Wars, or Hitler. Ughhhhh! How do you tell the world this is NOT christianity. I cannot be Christianity!
Then you step back and you know that this all must happen, there really is no other way... it has to happen. How can we possibly think that God's faithful are now and have been persecuted round the world in the most unspeakable ways from the very first century and we will be allowed to forever sit here in our comfy little christian lives playing Bible triva on a Saturday afternoon and planning whether we will serve hot dogs or hamburgers at our next youth event, while our brothers and sisters round the world are being persecuted? Do we really think that we are more faithful or more blessed or more righteous than they? If your are an Christian who stands on the fundamental principles of our faith, you are going to see persecution and the enemy is willing to go to this extent to associate in the minds of the world this kind of carnage in order to make the world hate Fundamentalist Christians so that they world can justify our persecution and Big Brother is going to use this very event to mark "faith" groups in Europe. It is just the beginning.
This has been my major point all along. I'm trying to show where it's coming from, but it seems most people just don't want to LOOK. I don't understand how anyone can not see that the Enemy has his plans too (that the Lord will Allow to happen) and that there are those in HIGH places that are carrying out those plans. I don't think it's an 'accident' that Scotland Yard is calling that group "Fundamental Christianity"
It is Indeed Coming! The laws are in place, the events are unfolding before our eyes, if we'll just LOOK.
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My husband read it to me off the Drudge Report and I started to check it our; I had been reading this week about the G-8 and they creep me out as it is and then when I read about how they are involved in this issue of child trafficking in the Congo I thought to my self Oh Boy, here it comes.
I was thinking about the scripture that talks about him giving to us his new name that no one knows and I thought good thing because "Christian" is sure going to be drug through the mud before this is over....but clearly not Christian.... but Fundamentalist Christian. Only Satan could take a word like Fundamental and make it to be something bad.
This reminds me of the kinds of things that Rome did under the guise of Christianity in the dark ages and in the Holy Wars, or Hitler. Ughhhhh! How do you tell the world this is NOT christianity. I cannot be Christianity!
Then you step back and you know that this all must happen, there really is no other way... it has to happen. How can we possibly think that God's faithful are now and have been persecuted round the world in the most unspeakable ways from the very first century and we will be allowed to forever sit here in our comfy little christian lives playing Bible triva on a Saturday afternoon and planning whether we will serve hot dogs or hamburgers at our next youth event, while our brothers and sisters round the world are being persecuted? Do we really think that we are more faithful or more blessed or more righteous than they? If your are an Christian who stands on the fundamental principles of our faith, you are going to see persecution and the enemy is willing to go to this extent to associate in the minds of the world this kind of carnage in order to make the world hate Fundamentalist Christians so that they world can justify our persecution and Big Brother is going to use this very event to mark "faith" groups in Europe. It is just the beginning.
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They are brought into the capital to be offered up in rituals by fundamentalist Christian sects, according to a shocking report by Scotland Yard.
I read this on Ripps news site... wow! The implications are staggering. The World is just going to Love that definition... It just falls right into line with everything I've been researching ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
LOOK UP!!! And let us not take our focus off Seeking the Kingdom of God and HIS Righetousness!!!
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This is the last article, but it shows where this is going:
June 16, 2005
Children trafficked for sacrifice, says report
By Simon Freeman, Times Online
A confidential report into the sacrifice and abuse of children at African churches describes how pastors are profiting from the trafficking of black boys into Britain.
Uncircumcised boys are being smuggled into the country for human sacrifice by fundamentalist sects whose members believe that their ritual killing will enhance spells.
The leaked Metropolitan Police report also reveals "countless" examples of children being beaten or killed after being named as witches by spiritual leaders.
In one of many chilling findings, it was suggested that youngsters were smuggled into the UK and given to men with HIV, who believe that having sex with a the child will cleanse them.
The report, obtained by a journalist on BBC's Today programme, says that pastors and their churches have developed into a network of a lucrative businesses profiting from superstition throughout the UK, Europe and Africa.
It focused on the London boroughs of Newham and Hackney where a wide gulf between child protection agencies and the communities involved was exposed. Police investigations too are frequently met with silence because of fear and mistrust.
The report was commissioned in the aftermath of the Victoria Climbie inquiry and carried out over ten months by social workers, human rights lawyers and race relations experts from within a number of ethnic minority groups
It describes how investigators visited one church group where, it reports: "Members of the workshop said for spells to be powerful it required a sacrifice of a male child unblemished by circumcision."
Contributors said that boys were being trafficked into the UK for this purpose, but refused to give further details because they would be "dead meat".
Another passage said: "A number of pastors maintain that God speaks to them and lets them know when someone is possessed ... After much debate, they acknowledged that children labelled as possessed are in danger of being beaten by their families.
"However, they would not accept that they played a major role in inciting such violence."
John Azah, an independent adviser to the Metropolitan Police, said that since the Climbie case and the ritualistic 'torso murder' of a black child known only as 'Adam', there were concerns the police were only touching the tip of the iceberg.
He told Today: "There was concern that there was very little, if any, intelligence on what is happening to children."
The report has called for social services departments to determine how many faith organisations exist and where they are situated. It also urged the Met to highlight the work of child protection agencies to try to encourage the reporting of crimes.
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As I was looking into this, I came accross this article that did not surpise me. The G-8 are meeting next month.
There needs to be Chaos and Mayhem in order for the world to accept the loss of personal freedoms that must be lost in order to establish world peace and a NEW World Order.
This G-8 Group is for sure something to be watched, along with the UN, and the WCC, and the EU.
At any rate this article is interesting and makes it even less surprising that they want to relate this autraucity to "fundamentalist Christian Sects":
G8 backs scheme to track human traffickers
Thu Jun 16, 2005 1:14 PM ET
By Michael Holden
SHEFFIELD, England (Reuters) - The world's eight major industrialized nations agreed on Thursday to back a new high-tech system to tackle human traffickers, British Home Secretary Charles Clarke said.
The messaging system would give law enforcement officers far greater understanding of the routes used by trafficking gangs as they crossed the world, Clarke told reporters at a meeting of interior and justice ministers from the Group of Eight nations.
"Our G8 colleagues endorse that and we will formally establish that to make sure we have global use of the system," Clarke said on the opening day of the meeting focused on counter-terrorism, organized crime and illegal migration.
The Human Smuggling and Trafficking message system, based on a database launched by Interpol at the end of May, would allow greater sharing of information and let Interpol analyze the routes used by traffickers.
Clarke said he hoped that the scheme, being tested by Norway and Britain, would be adopted by all 182 Interpol member states.
"We immediately get to share information about the routes of people traffickers at a quite different level to what we have previously been able to have," he said.
Earlier Clarke said he also expected the G8 states at the two-day meeting to back the creation of a database of paedophiles to help tackle an "explosion" in child pornography.
Clarke said he was confident the child sexual exploitation database would be in operation by the end of year.
"We believe that this meeting will be able to secure agreement from the G8 to put (the database) into effect," he said.
The Internet has led to a huge increase in the distribution of child pornography, British officials say, and the database would improve intelligence sharing and gathering, helping to identify both victims and suspects, Clarke said.
Closer cooperation between law enforcement bodies has already led to a series of worldwide raids on those involved in child pornography.
One example was "Operation Ore" in 2003, after U.S. authorities handed British police a list of more than 7,000 men suspected of using their credit cards to access pay-per-view Web sites containing child pornography.
Britain also hopes the meeting, being held in the northern English city of Sheffield amid extremely tight security, will take steps toward tackling the Afghan drug trade.
Clarke said it was a "big concern" that efforts so far had not been successful in a country that still accounted for 87 percent of the illicit global heroin trade.
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This is off the AP:
British study suggests African children being smuggled for human sacrifice
Canadian Press
June 16, 2005
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LONDON (AP) - Police in London have found testimony suggesting African children are being smuggled into Britain for use as human sacrifices, the British Broadcasting Corp. reported Thursday, citing a leaked copy of a police study.
A spokesman for London's Metropolitan Police said the report would be published later this month and refused to give details of its findings. But a police statement said the 10-month survey involved speaking to members of the capital's African and Asian communities in workshops.
Police carried out the study into child abuse within ethnic minority groups after the death of eight-year-old Victoria Climbie in 2000. Climbie, originally from the Ivory Coast in West Africa, died of starvation and hypothermia after months of mistreatment at the hands of her aunt and her aunt's boyfriend, who are serving life sentences for her murder.
London police have also been investigating the death of a young boy, believed to have come from Nigeria, whose torso was found floating in the River Thames in 2001. The body, dressed in orange shorts, had been in the water for up to 10 days. The boy - nicknamed Adam by police - was believed by African experts to have been the victim of a ritual sacrifice.
Earlier this month, a London court convicted two women and a man of cruelty to a 10-year-old girl of Angolan origin who said the defendants had abused her because they thought she was a witch.
According to the BBC, the Metropolitan Police report said rituals and witchcraft were being practised in London churches popular with some members of the African community.
Workshop participants said children were being trafficked into Britain for human sacrifice or for men with HIV who believed they would be cured by having sex with a youngster, the study reportedly found.
The survey's authors noted that these were allegations, and they could not test whether they were true, the BBC said. But they expressed concerns that children could be in serious and possibly life-threatening situations.
William Lez Henry, a lecturer specializing in African and Caribbean studies in the department of sociology at Goldsmiths College in London, said there was a steady stream of children coming to Britain from Africa, but that he had never seen evidence of children being trafficked for sacrifice.
"There is a tradition, not only in Africa, but also in areas of the Caribbean, where people send their children over to stay with relatives, often for financial or practical reasons," Henry told The Associated Press.
"People may say they are trafficking them, but in most cases they place them in the care of relatives," he said. "I've never really come across instances of children being trafficked for ritual sacrifice."
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This is an article about the girl whose abuse case began the investigation:
By BBC social affairs correspondent Alison Holt
The little girl who smiles out from the photograph has bright, laughing eyes. Her hair is pulled neatly into bunches and she wears a smart red cardigan and dress.
Victoria Adjo Climbie was sent to this country from the Ivory Coast in the hope of a better life, but within a year and a half of the picture being taken she was dead, the victim of horrendous physical abuse.
Victoria died as the result of the neglect and the vicious beatings meted out by her great aunt, Marie Therese Kouao, and her boyfriend Carl Manning.
But she was also failed by social workers and others who could have stepped in to protect her.
This poor little girl had scars all over her body, on the head, on the trunk, front and back, and on all four limbs
Dr Nathaniel Cary
Victoria died of hypothermia in February 2000. She had 128 injuries.
The Home Office pathologist who examined her body, Doctor Nathaniel Cary, says it was the worst case of abuse he has seen in his career.
"This poor little girl had scars all over her body, on the head, on the trunk, front and back, and on all four limbs.
"And many of the scars suggest they'd been due to weapon-type injuries so you can see from the nature and the extent of injuries why this would be the worst case I've encountered."
Victoria - called Anna by her killers - was forced to live in a freezing bath in her own excrement. Her hands and feet were bound and she was naked except for a bin liner.
No tears
Manning has admitted hitting her over the head with a bicycle chain. She was also regularly beaten with weapons including a belt buckle, hammer and wire.
Victoria's blood was found in the hall, bedsitting room and bathroom of the cramped flat where the three lived in Tottenham in North London.
In his diary, Manning describes Victoria as Satan and says that no matter how hard he hit her she didn't cry or show signs that she was hurt.
Victoria left the Ivory Coast in October 1998 to join her great aunt in France. Her parents believed this would give her the chance of a better education.
In fact it is claimed that Kouao viewed the child as a useful tool for claiming benefits.
The court was told that when Kouao left France for London in March of 1999 she was being pursued by the French authorities, after wrongly being paid £2,000 in child benefit.
Cigarette burns
Once in England they lived in a grim hostel at Harlesden, north-west London. Kouao got a job as a hospital cleaner, leaving Victoria with a childminder.
Kouao, 44. then met Manning, 28, when she got on the bus he was driving. He had never had a girlfriend. Within weeks of that meeting Kouao and Victoria moved in with him.
Victoria was first taken to hospital on 14 July 1999. Avril Cameron, the daughter of the childminder caring for the little girl whilst Kouao worked, was horrified to see cuts and bruises on Victoria's hands and legs, as well as what looked like cigarette burns.
The doctors who first saw her at the Central Middlesex Hospital were worried enough to alert police and social services.
Victoria was placed under a 72-hour protection order preventing a furious Kouao from removing her from the hospital.
But Dr Ruby Schwartz, the consultant paediatrician at the hospital, diagnosed the skin complaint scabies and Anna was allowed to return to the flat in Tottenham.
'Blinding incompetence'
Ten days later Victoria was taken to the North Middlesex hospital with severe scalding to her head. Kouao claimed the little girl had poured boiling water over herself to stop the itching caused by the scabies, but the hospital found no evidence of the disease.
Doctors and nurses were extremely concerned by injuries on Victoria's body, including marks that looked like they were made by a belt buckle.
Once again the system failed Victoria through what was described in court as the blinding incompetence of the people meant to protect her.
Kouao and the child were seen by a social worker from Haringey Council and a police child protection officer. They decided that the injuries were probably accidental and allowed Victoria to return home.
They should have visited the flat where Victoria was living before discharging her from hospital, but they were worried about catching scabies so put that off for nearly two weeks.
[Victoria] was used by another force, another demonic force
Pastor Pascal Orome
From then on, Kouao kept Victoria away from hospitals turning instead to churches. Kouao, claiming to be Victoria's mother, said the child had demons inside her which were making her incontinent.
One of the places she went was the Mission Ensemble de Christ in south London. Pastor Pascal Orome says they offered prayers for the child to cast out the devil.
Now he says he understands the role that Kouao was playing.
"[Victoria] was used by another force, another demonic force. It cannot be her but maybe the mother, who was using her... She doesn't behave like an eight-year-old, she behaves like a 40-year-old person."
The last church that Kouao went to was the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God in north London.
The child was so ill that the pastor who saw her insisted she should be taken to hospital. She died the next day - the day the church was planning to hold a service of deliverance for her, a service to cast out the devil.
Other articles about her case are here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/uk/2002/victoria_climbie_inquiry/default.stm
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This is where the article came from:
http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/19328071?source=Evening%20Standard&ct=5
This is a second perhaps related article:
Find lost children, MPs urge
By Isabel Oakeshott Political Correspondent, Evening Standard
16 June 2005
The scale of the disappearances of black boys in London triggered an outcry from MPs today.
Ministers faced angry calls from backbenchers to trace the missing children.
A Commons motion signed by almost 40 MPs calls for urgent measures to protect migrant children, with a new register of those who enter the country.
The Westminster motion, tabled by London MP Diane Abbott, describes reports that African and Caribbean children are vanishing from London schools as "alarming".
It says the alleged disappearances of 300 boys aged between four and seven is "indicative of an escalation in child trafficking for subversive purposes" and calls on ministers to take "urgent measures" to find the missing children.
Ms Abbott said today: "We need to satisfy ourselves about what is happening to these children."
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Oh My, they kill you and think they are doing God a favor. I sure hope this article is not true. But sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. How sad. Breaks my heart to the very core.
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'Child sacrifices in London'
By Richard Edwards Crime Reporter, Evening Standard
16 June 2005
Boys from Africa are being murdered as human sacrif ices in London churches.
They are brought into the capital to be offered up in rituals by fundamentalist Christian sects, according to a shocking report by Scotland Yard.
Followers believe that powerful spells require the deaths of "unblemished" male children.
Police believe such boys are trafficked from cities such as Kinshasa where they can be bought for a little as £10.
The report, leaked ahead of its publication next month, also cites examples of
African children being tortured and killed after being identified as "witches" by church pastors.
The 10-month study was commissioned after the death of Victoria Climbié, who was starved and beaten to death after they said she was possessed by the devil.
The aim of the Met study was to create an "open dialogue" with the African and Asian community in Newham and Hackney. In discussions with African community leaders, officers were told of examples of children being murdered because their parents or carers believe them to be possessed by evil spirits. Earlier-this month Sita Kisanga, 35, was convicted at the Old Bailey of torturing an eight-year-old girl from Angola she accused of being a witch.
Kisanga was a member of the Combat Spirituel church in Dalston. Many such churches, supported mainly by people from West Africa, sanction aggressive forms of exorcism on those thought to be possessed.
There are believed to be 300 such churches in the UK, mostly in London.
The report was put together by an expert social worker and lawyer for the Met after talking to hundreds of people in African communities in a series of workshops. It uncovered allegations of witchcraft spells, child trafficking and HIV-positive people who believe that by having sex with a child they will be "cleansed".
An extract reads: "People who are desperate will seek out experts to cast spells for them.
"Members of the workshop stated that for a spell to be powerful it required a sacrifice involving a male child unblemished by circumcision. They allege that boy children are being trafficked into the UK for this purpose."
It adds: "A number of pastors maintain that God speaks through them and lets them know when someone is possessed.
"It is therefore their duty to deliver the child or adult from the evil spirit.
"After much debate they acknowledge that children labelled as possessed are in danger of being beaten by their families.
"However, they would not accept they played a role in inciting such violence."
Last month Scotland Yard revealed it had traced just two out of 300 black boys aged four to seven reported missing from London schools in a three-month period.
The true figure for missing boys and girls is feared to be several thousand a year.
The scale of the problem emerged through the murder inquiry following the discovery of a child's torso in the Thames in September 2001. The identity of the victim, named Adam by police, is not known but his background was traced to Nigeria. It is believed he died in a ritual sacrifice.
John Azar, who helped the police on that inquiry, told Radio4's Today programme that the known cases could be "the tip of the iceberg".
Police working on the Adam case have found children are being sold to traffickers on the streets of major African cities for less than £10 and then smuggled into the UK. The children arrive in London armed with false documents and accompanied by adults who believe they will bolster their asylum claims.
Dr Richard Hoskins, a lecturer of Theology and Religious Studies at King's College, said: "We know this through work we have been doing on the Adam inquiry. These children are ripe for people to abuse. They are easy prey."
A Met spokesman said: "We undertook a project aimed at improving our knowledge of issues impacting child abuse within the African and Asian communities of London. The aim of the project was to open a dialogue within these communities and encourage a debate which would help reduce the risks of harm to children."
The report says there is a wide gulf between these communities and social services and protection agencies with many people in ethnic communities scared to speak out.
The report concludes police face a "wall of silence" when dealing with such cases.
Experts differ on the merits of the Scotland Yard report.
Dr William Les Henry, a lecturer in sociology at Goldsmiths College, said aspects of the reports were pigeonholing crimes together and were patronising and racist.
He said: "When we think about these cases we can see the same kind of patterns of behaviour in European cultures but they are interpreted in completely different ways.
"This is one of the crises with social sciences anyway, when they are supposedly interpreting the folk ways or cultural habits of alien cultures." He said that the models such reports are based on are that "Africans are less civilised, less rational".
But Dr Hoskins said: "This is very detailed, qualitative report that actually comes out of the communities.
"This is not white people saying this. This has actually comes from the communities authored by people in the community and that really stymies the racist line." He added: "We are dealing with real cases here. When you actually talk to them, these are hard and fast facts.
"So I don't think we are getting wrong, but it is right to treat it sensitively."
He believes vulnerable people are being manipulated by spiritual leaders.
"This is absolutely what is going on. They are often very vulnerable, poor people.
"It is people in positions of power and money that are manipulating poor people."
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