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helpforhomeschoolers
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That is my finding also Aaron, the more "extreme" are the ones that know and follow the Quran the most closely.
Islam cannot tolerate the exisitance of other religions and remain true to Allah.
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Aaron
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I've read much of the Koran and a number of the Hadith (Islamic traditions). One cannot possibly divorce Islam from its violent roots. And, unlike the New Testament, there is no further revelation from "Allah" that forbids the warfare and killing practiced during the conception of the religion.
What the media portrays as "muslim extremism" is actually "muslim fundamentalism". I, for one, do not want more muslims to become fundamentalists.
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Eduardo Grequi
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The world is based on double-standardness. It wants each person to severe their belief for the common good of all men and do away with closedmindedness.- That is what it said in one of the pages from the Sunday paper this week. Funny to think that the book of Qu'ran has different phases and books of the Qu'ran, just like the Church of Mormon have the Bible and the Book of Mormon. But did you know within the Islamic faith there are different ventures of continued faith. Meaning If Book 1 says Behold Allah is One and if Book 2 comes along and says something different, Which one do you believe? Some Ministers of faith when they study the Qu'ran they align the older book with the new book and do a process of elimination.So if Book one says Love thy neighbor and Book two says Love those only who honor you. YOu would cross out the two phrases. when you get down to it all- the Only thing that comes out is-THOU SHALT NOT SUFFER AN INFIDEL TO LIVE AND PERVERT. FROM HIS HEAD HIS SOUL SHALL FALL.
So the Islamic faith is based on fierce obedience and submissiveness. Drop the Qu'ran and you loose your life! Throw the New Testament you save an infidel from utter anhilation.
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taliston
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Islam is not a peaceful religion. That is one reason why this war in Iraq is so sad. Islam and democracy do not mix.
I work with alot of people, from a lot of foreign areas. One lady I worked with was Muslim. She was always saying "Allah this, and Allah that." She complained about trying to live the American lifestyle and also upholding her Muslim beliefs. She had to pray 5 times a day, facing a certain direction. Muslims are real big on education. She and her husband initially came here so her children could finish going to college in the US. She has 5 children. Some are still small. The two in college were studying to be a doctor and the other an engineer.
Over a period of time when I worked with this woman, we occassionally would talk a little about Christianity and Muslim things. She said she felt out of place at Christmas time. Everything was so pretty, but they could not participate in things like this because Allah was one. Jesus is only a prophet to them.
If you ever ask a Muslim who Jesus' father was, you will get an interesting response. They do not believe that Jesus had an earthly father. (?) But they only believe he was a prophet, like Moses or Elijah.
One time she brought the Koran (Qu'ran) to work for me to see it. Me and my friend looked through it on our breaks. There was a passage in there plain as day that talks about killing the infidels. Infidels are specifically Christians and anyone who is not Muslim. Me and my friend became nervous looking at this book. It speaks with authority, similar to the Bible in some ways. There was another passage that read..."how we mourn for you our sisters, if you would only realize that God is one. There is no son." They consider Christians "blasphemers" because we believe and confess that Jesus Christ was the Son of God. They tolerate it here in the US. They know that the US is a predominately Christian society. But if you were in a fundamental Islam country and said you were a Christian, you said you believed in Jesus Christ and that he was the Son of God, they would kill you. Most likely by severing your head.
This lady I worked with, I copied some excerpts out of the Bible.
When I came back to work the next day, she had left them laying at the desk, giving us the impression she was not interested in reading it.
One day I asked her if she knew Mohammed was illiterate. (He was but he preached and pounded the importance of the pen-education). She became upset. I also asked her if she was familiar with the "sighting of Fatima." She was and became excited. You can research about that. But basically, these children, I believe in 1917 (?) saw an apparation appear. They went back and reported what they saw, and a large crowd gathered and also saw it. It was a combination of Catholics and Muslims. The Muslims believed it was 'Fatima,' Mohammed's daughter, because he prophesied that she would appear. The Catholics believe it was the Virgin Mary. There is an alliance between the Catholics and Muslims because of this. If you take the cross off of the rosary beads, Muslims will kiss it.
Muslims believe there will be a 'peacemaker' come. I think they call him the Matreya, (which also ties in with what some New Age believers refer to him as). They believe that the Islam beliefs will take over the world and Matreya will come and rule.
Many of them are aware of Christianity, but they reject it. It is very hard to speak to them about Jesus and Christianity. They believe in a lot of the Old Testament, but not the New. They are very convinced and convicted of what they believe.
I'm saying all of this, because Islam is not and never will be a peaceful religion. Never. Not according to the Koran. And they wholeheartedly believe the Koran.
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MySavingGrace
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I've also heard that Jewish pepole think less of muslims, due to their ancestry being from an illegimate child and not the wife. AGain, its just what one person has told me, so I'd need more to confirm it.
But, is there proof that there is this double standard? Anyone who is Mulsim or has read the Qu'ran I ask says it does not say to act violently towards non-Muslims.
I think maybe people are confusing the administariton and corrupt governments in the Islamic world with the actual majority of the Islamic people. Just because certain people in power and/or certain lawas/policies are a certain way, that does not mean that the majority of actual people are like that. I'd like to know where I can find in the Qu'ran (if I were to get the gook or serach online cause I wanna get it to learn more) says these things people say it does. The only way I can be sure whether it does or not is to read the text myslef.
And, even if there is a double standard, wouldnt the right Christian way be to be peaceful towards those people. I don't think violence is the answer to violence. You can't put out (maybe its fight) fire with fire. That is a staement I've heard that I feel very much so applies to this. Showing pepole a better way and not using violence as a way of protest would be the water that could put out (or at least help to lessen the burn) the flames here. If Martin Luther King was violent, would he have been as effective? Would Ghandi of been as effective? No way! I feel that the only way to show people that God and Jesus and Christianity is the right and the true way is to embrace others who differ in their belifs. I think if the approach to the Islamic world was that of Martin Luther King Junior or Ghandi (educating people, putting thoughts of positive change in their minds, and using peaceful ways over violence) then things would be a lot more effective. And, even if they aren't more effective, at lesat there would be less worse outcomes in the sruggle for change.
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TEXASGRANDMA
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Islam's double standard
By Cal Thomas
Muslim countries apply a double standard when it comes to the treatment of religious books and people who differ in faith and practice from their dogma
http://www.JewishWorldReview.com | The Pentagon has acknowledged five instances in which guards or interrogators at the detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, handled the Koran in such a way as to cause offense to some who believe it is the revealed word of Allah. Three are said to have been three deliberate and two unintentional.
Amnesty International has put the United States high on the list of countries it says are guilty of prisoner and human rights abuses because of the way suspected terrorists are treated. The chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Richard Myers, rebutted the notion of inappropriate treatment of detainees last weekend when he told Fox News Sunday that these are people who would "slit our throats, our children's throats" were they to be set free.
Islamic countries apply a double standard when it comes to the treatment of "holy books" and people who differ in faith and practice from Islamic dogma. While Islamic groups in the United States are engaged in "sensitivity training" sessions for non-Muslims that have included federal workers, the Ohio National Guard and U.S. Air Force Academy, there are no such training sessions directed at Muslims to teach them tolerance for non-Islamic faiths. Quite the contrary.
While the slightest verbal or physical slight of any Muslim in America is immediately condemned by activist groups and sometimes the U.S. government, the denigration of Jews and Christians throughout much of the Islamic world is theological and political business as usual. Jews are regularly referred to as "apes and pigs," mostly because that is what the Koran calls them.
According to the MEMRI-TV Monitor Project, which observes the way Jews, especially, are portrayed throughout the Middle East, a Jordanian produced program titled "Stories From Before the Verses Came Down" was aired in February on Saudi Iqra TV. The soap opera contained familiar anti-Semitic stuff, including blaming ancient Jews for distorting their own Torah to make it seem like Mohammad could not be the "true prophet" and portraying a Jewish character saying, "We are the slayers of prophets, and we live off their blood! We live for destroying them"
According to a report authored by former CIA Director James Woolsey for Freedom House, the government of Saudi Arabia has made it a practice to disseminate propaganda about Jews, Christians and America through mosques in the U.S. and through schools, many of which are funded by the extremist Wahhabi Islamic sect.
The 89-page report titled, "Saudi publications on hate ideology fill American mosques," concludes that propaganda collected from U.S. mosques shows a "totalitarian ideology of hatred that can incite to violence." The report also says such mosques are in the minority, but how many are needed to train terrorists who might attack the U.S. with biological, chemical or nuclear weapons?
Throughout much of the Islamic world, the practice of Christianity and Judaism is severely restricted, if not outlawed. The Freedom House report said Saudi publications "state that it is a religious obligation for Muslims to hate Christians and Jews" and that, under Saudi law, Muslims who convert to any other faith "are to be put to death."
In a column four years ago, The Washington Post's Richard Cohen wrote, "The Arab world is the last bastion of unbridled, unashamed, unhidden and unbelievable anti-Semitism. Hitlerian myths get published in the popular press as incontrovertible truths. The Holocaust either gets minimized or denied. … How the Arab world will ever come to terms with Israel when Israelis are portrayed as the devil incarnate is hard to figure out." Little, if anything, has changed since he wrote those words.
Despite the Western diplomatic talk about Arabs and Palestinians living in peace with even a geographically reduced Israel, the Arab world demonstrates no intention of coming to terms with Israel or the Jewish (or Christian) people, unless those terms involve their complete subjugation to Islam, or their deaths.
The State Department acknowledged for the first time during the Clinton Administration that Christians — from China, to the Sudan, to the Middle East — have become the most persecuted faith group in the world. Yet those persecutors are not pressured into the kind of sensitivity training Muslim groups in America demand at the slightest slight, whether actual, imagined or concocted.
To accept this Islamic double standard creates a significant threat to the United States.
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