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SoftTouch
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what exactly are the 4 horses/horsemen?
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are found in Revelation:
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Revelation 6:1And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
2And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
3And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
4And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
5And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
7And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
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what exactly are the 4 horses/horsemen?
I know that all the churches used to come together, but then there was a big slpit between the East and the West Could the original coming together of churches for unifying creeds and all that of been the New World Order and/or One World Relgion even back then?
On the surface things like that look good. like oh yah all the faiths are coming together and stop bickering. But, I believe educated debate is necessary in seperating the truth from lies.
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This is an article from The Cutting Edge Ministry from last week’s “Weekly Update” ( http://www.cuttingedge.org/newsletters/052105.html )
The determined drive towards the global religion foretold in Bible prophecy took a huge jolt forward this week as Anglicans agreed with Roman Catholics as to the place the Virgin Mary plays in religion! Anglican leaders could only reach this incredible denial of Biblical truth by abandoning the firm foundation of doctrine for the slippery slope theology which Catholicism has always practiced!
Can you hear the approaching footsteps of the four horses of the Apocalypse?
Let us review this dynamic story:
NEWS BRIEF: "Catholics, Anglicans reach accord on Mary: Statement closes big gap between churches", Seattle Post Intelligencer, May 17, 2005 ( http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/224610_mary17.html )
"The historical separation between Roman Catholics and Anglicans has narrowed after both found common ground on the position of Mary, mother of Jesus, according to a document conceived at the highest church levels ... Anglicans, already close to Catholics because of liturgy and traditions, have moved even closer through their understanding of Mary as outlined in the joint statement, which took five years and an international committee to complete."
One of the major prophecies Bible scholars have looked to in order to ascertain how close the world was to the final appearance of Antichrist is the growth of the global church which the False Prophet will lead (Revelation 13:11-18). Ever since the New Age Movement sprang forth into the public consciousness in 1975, one of the major buzzwords has been the unification of all religions "Unity In Diversity". New Age leaders consistently called for a radical thinking and belief switch -- which they call a "Paradigm Shift" -- to occur at the End of the Age. Without this Paradigm Shift in religious values, the New Age Christ could not appear.
Then, on August 18, 1991, I personally heard the New England Director of the House of Theosophy tell a select group of members and guests that the Roman Catholic pope -- whomever he was at the time -- had been selected to be the top religious leader of the New World Order Religion (NEWS1052 – Complete Seminar Notes: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1052.html ). That designation made the Roman Catholic Pope the Biblical False Prophet! (Note from SoftTouch: I HIGHLY Recommend reading this article!)
Pope John Paul II circled the globe many times in an effort to bring about this global reconciliation. His successor, Pope Benedict XVI, has pledged to continue that effort. Now, let us return to this feature article to see how much theological difference this agreement bridged between Protestant Anglicism and Roman Catholicism. Watch the firm theology surrendered by the Anglican leadership in order to be able to embrace Mary.
"The document seeks to transcend past controversies on Catholic dogma, including the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption of Mary. While not spelled out specifically in the Bible, such beliefs CAN be interpreted through Scripture, according to the 80-paragraph document. The result might be an elevation, or at least a heightened acknowledgment, of the place of Mary -- particularly for Anglicans, the denomination born in England during the Reformation and called the Episcopal Church in the United States. Anglicanism is considered closest to Catholicism because it gives Mary a pre-eminent place among the saints, includes her in Communion prayers and holds six Marian feast days. Among other matters, Catholics and Protestants disagree over the Catholic dogmas of the Immaculate Conception -- the assertion that Mary lived a life free from sin from the moment she was conceived -- and the Assumption, the belief that her body and soul were taken into heaven when her earthly life ended." (Ibid.; Emphasis added)
This paragraph succinctly defines the problem facing these two groups of theologians. I did not realize that Anglicans already revered the Virgin Mary this much, even to the point of celebrating six Marian feast days! Protestant Bible scholars have long maintained that the Anglican and Lutheran churches erred in their break from Rome because they did not break completely enough -- just as this article states. Once a church begins to venerate the Virgin Mary in a similar manner to the Catholics, it will only be a matter of time before they fully embrace all Vatican doctrine. This agreement is only the beginning.
Since Roman Catholicism has always acknowledged that the role they give the Virgin Mary cannot be supported simply by Scripture, let us see how the Anglican theologians can justify elevating her nearly to a level of deity. When you read their justification, you will realize that a freshman student of Speech in a local college would instantly recognize the false nature of this line of argument: you cannot reach a firm conclusion by the lack of argument against!
"Those dogmas have 'created problems not only for Anglicans but also for other Christians', the document said, largely because they are not explicitly supported by Scripture. But those dogmas also 'can be said to be consonant with the teaching of the Scriptures and the ancient common traditions', said the document, titled 'Mary: Grace and Hope in Christ'." (Ibid.; Emphasis added)
Aha! Now we understand how these false Anglican religious authorities could agree with Catholicism on the veneration of Mary. Instead of admitting they are relying on the Roman Catholic Traditions for this spurious teaching, they invent a new term, called "ancient common traditions"! But, a "rose is a rose by any other name", and this line of reasoning relies squarely on Roman Catholic Church Traditions. God's Written Word totally condemns Rome’s doctrine. God insists that all mankind is subject to His written word. Some men like to think of themselves above that which is written and equate their own words equal to God’s word. Rome has done this by saying that their Church Tradition is equal in authority to the word of God. That is adding to God’s word things that are not written! Praise God that He revealed this lie in His written word.
Four centuries before Jesus' ministry, the Pharisees and Sadducees had created a body of Jewish teaching which was parallel to authentic Scripture - a body of work we call the Old Testament. These false teachers told the people that these parallel teachings were as valid as God's Word! They called this body of teaching the "Traditions of the Fathers". Jesus regularly condemned this Tradition! Roman Catholicism has fallen into the very same very deep pit. Now, Anglicanism has fallen into the Catholic pit.
We have written several articles on this most important subject:
NEWS1712 – "By What Authority Do You Teach The Scriptures?" ( http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1712.cfm )
NEWS1676b – "The True Face of The Roman Catholic Inquisition -- Rotten Spiritual Fruit From The Abyss" (Did you know that the murderous, torturous Roman Catholic Inquisition which killed tens of millions was based solely on Church Tradition? ( http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/N1676b.cfm )
RC101 – "Sola Scriptura" - Firm Faith Based only on the inerrant and completely sufficient Word of God ( http://www.cuttingedge.org/articles/rc101.htm )
NEWS1861 – "What Is Christian Fundamentalism?" ( http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1861.cfm )
Now that you know the difference between the firm foundation of the "Scripture Only" position of fundamental Baptists and Protestants, versus the slippery slope of Roman Catholic Church Tradition, now let us go back to our featured article. You will see the Anglican Church sliding into the Abyss, to join the Catholics already there.
"... another way, while the Bible does not explicitly state the corporeal assumption of Mary or her sinless life, it doesn't preclude it, either, leaving open that conclusion through interpretation of certain passages. 'Since it's not covered in the Bible, the church is free to make up its mind', said Peter Strimer, spokesman for the Episcopal Diocese of Olympia, which covers Western Washington." (Ibid.)
This is the nonsense upon which the Roman Catholic Church launched the bloody Inquisition against the Baptists and Protestants! Rome said that, if Scripture is silent on a subject, they were free to "make up their own minds", and they did, in what they call "Church Tradition"! Please consider carefully these Biblical prohibitions against this kind of theological nonsense:
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"You shall not add to the word which I command you, neither shall you diminish it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you. (Deuteronomy 4:2)
"Whatever I command you, be watchful to do it; you shall not add to it or diminish it." (Deuteronomy 12:32)
"Every word of God is tried and purified ... Add not to His words, lest He reprove you, and you be found a liar." (Proverbs 30:5-6)
Notice in this last Scripture forbidding adding anything to God's Word that the person who does so is discovered to be a "liar"!
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"I personally solemnly warn everyone who listens to the statements of the prophecy, the predictions and the consolations and admonitions pertaining to them in this book: If anyone shall add anything to them, God will add and lay upon him the plagues, the afflictions and the calamities that are recorded and described in this book. And if anyone cancels or takes away from the statements of the book of this prophecy, these predictions relating to Christ's kingdom and its speedy triumph, together with the consolations and admonitions or warnings pertaining to them, God will cancel and take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the city of holiness, purity and hallowedness, which are described and promised in this book." (Revelation 22:18-19; Parallel Bible, KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary)
Since the world stands at the cusp of the beginning of the Final Birth Pangs which will produce Antichrist, we are very close to the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation Period, the period of time in which Jesus' Words, above, are aimed. In fact, this Anglical decision will carry into the Tribulation Period. Individual Anglicans who participate in this Catholic veneration of Mary will be subject to these awful words of condemnation from Jesus.
The prophecy clock just advanced a significant amount, bringing the world far closer to the ecumenical religion of the False Prophet than we were just days ago!
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