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Gramajo320
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They have already passed the law for the national Driver's License and national ID card and the verichip is already in use. According to an article written and published in our newspaper
DSHS stated that President Bush was pushing for the verichip to be fully implemented and in use by 2005. They would like us all to believe that it's the best idea ever but we all know that it's definitely the worst thibng ever and no one is to ever accept it!
In Christ's love,
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redkermit
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Originally posted by Niedziejkore:
What I want to argue is: Wouldn't an amendment stating that it be unconstitutional for any sort of national ID or "mark" be more productive from a christian point of view? If George Bush is indeed a christian, and the republican party indeed are the christian party, why don't they at least attempt anti-antichrist legislation, preventing the things that could happen in Revelations.
Interesting point, although I wouldn't say the republican party is a "Christian" party.
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Niedziejkore
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Social security, welfare programs, and taxes are all apart of wealth redistribution which is what socialism is(wealth redistribution by taxation)....
Well, we're not an entirely capitalist country, but we are the closest thing to it. So i'd say just because of one thing, no. we are not a socialist country. Everything has elements of socialism in it.
On another note, going along more with the theme of the thread, i find it incredible that the best amendment to the constitution that the administration can come up with is this "Marriage Amendment". Now, whether or not it's a good idea is not what i want to argue...
What I want to argue is: Wouldn't an amendment stating that it be unconstitutional for any sort of national ID or "mark" be more productive from a christian point of view? If George Bush is indeed a christian, and the republican party indeed are the christian party, why don't they at least attempt anti-antichrist legislation, preventing the things that could happen in Revelations.
That's why i accuse the republican party of being fake... they can say all they want about how they stand up for morals, but it's not good if they're policies lean towards that of fascism.
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whitesands777
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Yeah, i was thinking about wether or not I should have said Democrats and Republicans after i hit the button. But then i thought about everything G.W., Bush I, and Reagan did to constrict our rights and looked at Clinton and Carter and realized that the Republicans seem to speed things up more than the democrats.
That's a good observation...I know that alot of Christians just love George Bush but he has done alot of confusing things....One minute it seems like he's pushing agenda to go back to U.S. roots then the next minute it seems like he pushes policies straight out of George Orwells book called 1984.
It seems like they all have done things to advance the NWO but Bush and Reagan seem to have done some scary things...
We've got to remember that there are many individuals that we never hear about in our daily news that are pushing this stuff through as well..Our presidents while having some power they have alot less power than many think.
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And Whitesand's that's interesting you refer to the U.S. as being Socialist. What's your arguement on that? For one, I can't understand why you wold think that with how powerful our corporations are in America... unless you believe the corporations are sort of the de facto government.
Social security even has socialism in the name of the system hidden in plain sight...Socialism is here in America but it's on a much smaller scale..Same thing as Europe, but much less evasive..Let's hope it stays that way.
Social security, welfare programs, and taxes are all apart of wealth redistribution which is what socialism is(wealth redistribution by taxation)....Socialism is basically watered down communism where you have heavy taxes and big state programs but with a litle more freedom...Many people will never see the quantity of money that they put into the social security system that was supposedly be for that that individual...My father probably put well over $100,000 into social security and will most likely never see even half of what he put into it...Big brother has taken the responsibility of the citizen to save money and decided to take over..The system is really a scam and a fraud but the fraud has slowly crept on the people...Just like the devaluing of the purchasing power of the dollar and taxes...
The growth in size and the changes that have taken place in U.S. government from it's original design has been a slow process that can be likened to the rumor of the boiling frog...Put the frog in a pan of water and very gradually turn up the heat..The change is so gradual the frog never notices that it's being boiled alive...The same is with our government and the gradual loss of indiviual freedoms.
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Niedziejkore
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Yeah, i was thinking about wether or not I should have said Democrats and Republicans after i hit the button. But then i thought about everything G.W., Bush I, and Reagan did to constrict our rights and looked at Clinton and Carter and realized that the Republicans seem to speed things up more than the democrats.
And you're right whitesands... tagging animals has nothing to do with democracy or theocracy. I was being a jokester.
And Whitesand's that's interesting you refer to the U.S. as being Socialist. What's your arguement on that? For one, I can't understand why you wold think that with how powerful our corporations are in America... unless you believe the corporations are sort of the de facto government.
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whitesands777
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Oh, so you see what i've been saying before: that America is turning from a Democracy into a Fascist Theocracy as a result of the Republican party.
tagging people and animals has nothing to do with a theocracy..This same movement is going on in Europe with national I.D. cards...This is all about big government big brother stuff...Call it republican, democrat, theocratic or whatever you want to...It's all about big government and a move towards the NWO...Look at the left wing socialistic European nations..Want to talk about big government ? Tax rates of 50% or more...
Don't think for a minute that the democrats wouldn't do the same thing.
And actually this country has turned from constitutional republic to a "democracy"(only this term has taken on an interesting new angle)...The NWO has been on the agenda for a very long time and socialism is a mix of communism and capitalism and they now call it a "democracy".
Right now America is operating under a socialistic government...It may not be as evasive as Europe but the same system is in place right here right now...Just on a smaller scale.
Give your citizens some national I.D. cards and raise taxes by 40% and you've got Europe right here in America.
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Favor Minded
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As a result of the republicans?
Uhh, Yeah, ok...If you say so...
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Niedziejkore
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I'm sure it won't be long before this (or a similar) system is said to be crucial to Human identification.
Oh, so you see what i've been saying before: that America is turning from a Democracy into a Fascist Theocracy as a result of the Republican party.
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helpforhomeschoolers
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I heard that there is proposed legislation right now in TX that will make it illegal not to implant your animals; I have not checked that out yet; so I can't say... but some ranchers in our area were talking about it.
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SoftTouch
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I'm sure it won't be long before this (or a similar) system is said to be crucial to Human identification.
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helpforhomeschoolers
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Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
National F.A.I.R. Program Overview
The Need for National Identification
The need for a National Animal Identification System is now greater than ever. Issues such as Food Safety, Animal Health, International Trade, Animal Performance recording and Genetics require unique animal and premises identification for this country to respond to the needs of:
Producers
Industry
Government Agencies
To link all groups that have a need for animal identification, the development of one single National ID program is essential. With the Brucellosis eradication program coming to an end, this country is losing the system that once formed the backbone of a national identification system in this country.
What is National F.A.I.R.?
National F.A.I.R. is an animal identification model that unifies animal identification programs and links animal record systems to provide accurate, complete and cost-effective information that meets the various needs of the industry.
Through the individual animal American Identification Numbering (AIN) system and State Premises Numbers, F.A.I.R. provides the infrastructure and information system that will allow for premises of origin determination, and animal tracking.
What will F.A.I.R. do?
Visible ID Tags:
By using tamperproof visible ID tags that include an American ID and herd management number, an animal can be uniquely identified at birth. An animal with American ID is uniquely identified throughout the world and the American ID number can be used by industry and government while the herd management number can be used by the producer for day-to-day herd managment.
Electronic ID:
By incorporating electronic ID, a cost-effective automated system can be put in place to track animals from farm to market, and market to slaughter. Electronic ID can also be used for herd managment purposes by recording performance information on the farm.
The Information System
The F.A.I.R. Information System provides the electronic capablilites that keep track of all the data that is recorded at the various locations.
F.A.I.R. keeps track of the following key information components:
Premises (type of premises, GPS coordinates, etc.)
Animal ID (species, breed, sex, date of birth, etc.)
Animals at premises
Animal movement
health and performance data
The information system has various layers of security allowing authorized users to see specific premises, or animal information. Security is based upon the login privileges the user receives when the user is signed up on F.A.I.R.
Here is another link:
http://animalid.aphis.usda.gov/nais/index.shtml
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