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9 And Jabez was more honorable than his brethren: and his mother called his name Jabez, saying, Because I bare him with sorrow.
10 And Jabez called on the God of Israel, saying, Oh that thou wouldest bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that thine hand might be with me, and that thou wouldest keep me from evil, that it may not grieve me! And God granted him that which he requested.
He was more honorable then his brethren, and God granted him that which he requested.
Jabez is not in the hall of faith Heb. 11.
32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.
34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
We should not place greater emphasis upon a passage of scripture nor add more into it then it is entitled, or is found within the context of the passage.
Our prayers should follow the example given by the Lord, and our walk of faith should emulate that of Paul and the other Apostles.
In the Old Testament the Holy Spirit came upon them or they were moved by Him. In the Church, the Body of Christ, He dwells within.
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It is placing your absolute faith and trust in Christ Jesus our Lord, regardless of our circumstance.
Romans 8:
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Thank you Caretaker.
That is a very powerful portion of the scripture.
It is impossible for a true born-again believer to be separated from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
I believe Jabez had absolute faith in God to grant his request.
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It is placing your absolute faith and trust in Christ Jesus our Lord, regardless of our circumstance.
Romans 8:
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Pain is a blessing in disguise. The enemy brought about pain and suffering, but God can turn it round for good.
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
Jabez was a perfect example.
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You need to focus on what the scriptures say and not your own feelings.
Luke 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
1 Peter 3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
Be blessed.
I don,t see where it said Blessed are those in pain, for your pain is for righteousness’ sake. Pain is not a their its an It. Sadness and hunger can be fixed. Real chronic pain can only be treated or divinely made whole.
So what has this to do with the Name-it Claim-it J-pray?
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Nothing sir. Jabez didn’t pray for deliverance from pain, but he was blessed in his pain.
Pain is a thorn in the flesh. As you have said, “it’s the result of the fall.” That is, it’s the result of sin.
2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. :9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Do not underestimate His Grace.
Do not focus on pain, look to the future.
Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
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This morning I woke up with higher pain level then normal. It is easy to say do not focus on the pain, but in reality it is not easy to actually do. When it hurts to sit and to walk. When pain has been with you long enough to be a companion.
The point of this is God has not promised us a life with out troubles. We serve God not because of trouble but in spite of it.
I look forward to the day Jesus comes back and we are given a glorified body. Pray for WildB and me.
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You need to focus on what the scriptures say and not your own feelings.
Luke 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
1 Peter 3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
Be blessed.
I don,t see where it said Blessed are those in pain, for your pain is for righteousness’ sake. Pain is not a their its an It. Sadness and hunger can be fixed. Real chronic pain can only be treated or divinely made whole.
So what has this to do with the Name-it Claim-it J-pray?
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You need to focus on what the scriptures say and not your own feelings.
Hebrews 11:36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: 37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; 38 (Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. 39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds. 4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
Luke 6:21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh. 22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake.
1 Peter 3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness’ sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
Be blessed.
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Only someone who doesn't know what it is like to live every day with pain, can see it is a blessing. I agree, pain came because of the fall of man. Before Adam and Eve sinned, they knew no pain.
God does help us who suffer to be able to bear the pain, but none of us who suffer pain would wish it on those we love. There is a difference in an occasional pain and waking up with pain and going to bed with pain every day.
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My friend pain is not a blessing.
ITS PART OF THE FALL.
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Do you not know that pain is a blessing in disguise WildB?
Isn’t the word abounding with suffering saints?
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Hi WildB
If you think the prayer of Jabez is not God honouring that is very sad since God blessed him indeed.
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"The prayer of jabez is like the prayer Jesus taught His disciples"
IT IS NOT even in the same ball park son!
Give it up,
your wrong!
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Our Christ lifted his prayer not from a J but from King David.
Psalms 63
1 O God, thou art my God; early will I seek thee: my soul thirsteth for thee, my flesh longeth for thee in a dry and thirsty land, where no water is;
2 To see thy power and thy glory, so as I have seen thee in the sanctuary.
3 Because thy lovingkindness is better than life, my lips shall praise thee.
4 Thus will I bless thee while I live: I will lift up my hands in thy name.
5 My soul shall be satisfied as with marrow and fatness; and my mouth shall praise thee with joyful lips:
6 When I remember thee upon my bed, and meditate on thee in the night watches.
7 Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice.
8 My soul followeth hard after thee: thy right hand upholdeth me.
9 But those that seek my soul, to destroy it, shall go into the lower parts of the earth.
10 They shall fall by the sword: they shall be a portion for foxes.
11 But the king shall rejoice in God; every one that sweareth by him shall glory: but the mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped.
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Is the Prayer of Jabez for us to repeat today as the advocates claim?
I don’t see anyone advocating repeating the prayer of jabez and neither am I.
The prayer of jabez is like the prayer Jesus taught His disciples in that it serves as a model prayer to guide us as to how we should pray.
Praying should be done in the right spirit.
2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Here we have a four-fold request from God
1. Humble yourself
2. Pray
3. Seek God’s face
4. Turn from sin
If you do this you will receive blessing, not just for yourself, but the whole land will benefit. Wow.
Jabez had a four-fold request to God
1. Bless me
2. Enlarge my coast
3. Keep your hand upon me
4. Keep me from evil
If you grant God His request, He will grant yours.
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God wills > His willing sons agree > His obedient sons produce it.
Next!
So are you a follower of the J-Pray for today?
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So when you wrote this:
God wills > His willing sons agree > His obedient sons produce it.
Are you saying that you cannot add this to the series:
God wills > His willing sons agree > His sons pronounce it > His obedient sons produce it.
From what I read Jesus was made priest by an oath. The belief and reality of His oath was seen in His actions.
God said it:
Hbr 7:21 (for they [Levites] have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him: "The LORD has sworn And will not relent, 'You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek' ")
And Jesus responded:
Hbr 10:5 Therefore, when He [Jesus] came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You had no pleasure. Then I said, 'Behold, I have come--In the volume of the book it is written of Me--To do Your will, O God.'"
And then He walked it out.
We know that Jesus actually believed His Father and gave His own life to the Father for the Father to do through Him what He willed. And Jesus submitted His will perfectly even to the point that when one examined Jesus one could see the Father.
This, by the way, is our reasonable, our baseline, act of worship: that we offer ourselves as living sacrifices to our Father.
Here's what I believe about Jabez: he could not have received what he received if it were not God's will. But we know it was God's will because he received what he prayed for. And we know God cannot be manipulated. So, the interesting question becomes "How did he know what to pray?"
I contend that he received revelation from the Father and simply responded with a prayer of faith. Just as Israel knew what to pronounce over his grandchildren, and Joseph over his children and concerning his remains, and the parents of Moses at the threat of Pharaoh, and Moses to the people and to Egypt, and the prophets, and David, and etc. etc.
The prayer of Jabez was for Jabez alone. I am concerned about how I will respond to the Father as He reveals to me what I am to do. My response should be nothing less than "Here is the body you have given me. You may use it as you desire." With that I can expect Him to be with me wherever He sends me. Anyone can say they believe what they do not yet see but the evidence of faith is the life lived.
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2 Peter 1:
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Is the Prayer of Jabez for us to repeat today as the advocates claim?
No for that would be wresting out of its scriptural context and contrary to what Jesus taught on prayer.
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When Joseph brought his sons before Jacob to be blessed did the words of blessing come from God or from man?
Prayers can be blessings.The patriarch blessing unto the next generation is not a prayer, but a part of the oath between God and Abraham's seed.
Israel said unto Joseph, Behold, I die: but God shall be with you, and bring you again unto the land of your fathers.
J prayed that he have more of this blessing, period.
All this other stuff that the name-it claim-it try to twist out of the J-pray to fit some opinion is just simply silly.
So, did Israel make it up or did God give it to him to say?
His WHOLE LIFE of RELATIONSHIP with God wrote it upon his soul.
Do you think a friend of God simply "says"? Then turns in his coat ticket to claim it?
I am very concerned that your not in the right ball park, but still up in the bleachers selling hot dogs.
You are a step away from witch craft sillyness.
Name it and Claim it?
Sorry you are,
Wrong.
I've already told you why name it and claim it is wrong. I thought we agreed on this. Where we disagree is the assertion that Bloodbought was necessarily promoting name it and claim it. You proposed that straw man of name it and claim it. BB disagreed that that was what he was advocating. Now, you keep railing against something that has already been discarded.
Name it and claim it can be presented as such: I want > I tell God what I want > God delivers.
What I proposed was the correct order: God wills > His sons agree > His sons pronounce it.
To get back to the discussion: So, are you saying that Israel deduced what he should say to Joseph's children because he figured it was what God wanted? Are the blessings ultimately from man or from God? In short: Are they revelation from God or deductive reasoning through life experiences?
Lol! and your dead fish taint much better.
God wills > His willing sons agree > His obedient sons produce it.
Next!
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Originally posted by WildB:
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When Joseph brought his sons before Jacob to be blessed did the words of blessing come from God or from man?
Prayers can be blessings.The patriarch blessing unto the next generation is not a prayer, but a part of the oath between God and Abraham's seed.
Israel said unto Joseph, Behold, I die: but God shall be with you, and bring you again unto the land of your fathers.
J prayed that he have more of this blessing, period.
All this other stuff that the name-it claim-it try to twist out of the J-pray to fit some opinion is just simply silly.
So, did Israel make it up or did God give it to him to say?
His WHOLE LIFE of RELATIONSHIP with God wrote it upon his soul.
Do you think a friend of God simply "says"? Then turns in his coat ticket to claim it?
I am very concerned that your not in the right ball park, but still up in the bleachers selling hot dogs.
You are a step away from witch craft sillyness.
Name it and Claim it?
Sorry you are,
Wrong.
I've already told you why name it and claim it is wrong. I thought we agreed on this. Where we disagree is the assertion that Bloodbought was necessarily promoting name it and claim it. You proposed that straw man of name it and claim it. BB disagreed that that was what he was advocating. Now, you keep railing against something that has already been discarded.
Name it and claim it can be presented as such: I want > I tell God what I want > God delivers.
What I proposed was the correct order: God wills > His sons agree > His sons pronounce it.
To get back to the discussion: So, are you saying that Israel deduced what he should say to Joseph's children because he figured it was what God wanted? Are the blessings ultimately from man or from God? In short: Are they revelation from God or deductive reasoning through life experiences?
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When Joseph brought his sons before Jacob to be blessed did the words of blessing come from God or from man?
Prayers can be blessings.The patriarch blessing unto the next generation is not a prayer, but a part of the oath between God and Abraham's seed.
Israel said unto Joseph, Behold, I die: but God shall be with you, and bring you again unto the land of your fathers.
J prayed that he have more of this blessing, period.
All this other stuff that the name-it claim-it try to twist out of the J-pray to fit some opinion is just simply silly.
So, did Israel make it up or did God give it to him to say?
His WHOLE LIFE of RELATIONSHIP with God wrote it upon his soul.
Do you think a friend of God simply "says"? Then turns in his coat ticket to claim it?
I am very concerned that your not in the right ball park, but still up in the bleachers selling hot dogs.
You are a step away from witch craft sillyness.
Name it and Claim it?
Sorry you are,
Wrong.
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When Joseph brought his sons before Jacob to be blessed did the words of blessing come from God or from man?
Prayers can be blessings.The patriarch blessing unto the next generation is not a prayer, but a part of the oath between God and Abraham's seed.
Israel said unto Joseph, Behold, I die: but God shall be with you, and bring you again unto the land of your fathers.
J prayed that he have more of this blessing, period.
All this other stuff that the name-it claim-it try to twist out of the J-pray to fit some opinion is just simply silly.
So, did Israel make it up or did God give it to him to say?
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When Joseph brought his sons before Jacob to be blessed did the words of blessing come from God or from man?
Prayers can be blessings.The patriarch blessing unto the next generation is not a prayer, but a part of the oath between God and Abraham's seed.
Israel said unto Joseph, Behold, I die: but God shall be with you, and bring you again unto the land of your fathers.
J prayed that he have more of this blessing, period.
All this other stuff that the name-it claim-it try to twist out of the J-pray to fit some opinion is just simply silly.
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""Yes. God names it and I claim it."
This is the order recognized by mature sons of God: God establishes the reality and the son simply agrees with Him. Flesh and blood cannot establish these things but only the Father in Heaven. And, with their mouths, the sons of God submit their will to the Father."
Please do show the baseball fans where you and your buddy get this from scripture?
I'll answer your question if you first answer mine:
When Joseph brought his sons before Jacob to be blessed did the words of blessing come from God or from man?
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""Yes. God names it and I claim it."
This is the order recognized by mature sons of God: God establishes the reality and the son simply agrees with Him. Flesh and blood cannot establish these things but only the Father in Heaven. And, with their mouths, the sons of God submit their will to the Father."
Please do show the baseball fans where you and your buddy get this from scripture?
Remember the text has to say mature sons and name it claim it some how?
I found where Adam did some nameing but as to his maturity I know not..
Genesis 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
Was not Adam created in Gods image and not God in Adams?
Our God is much greater than a namer.
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Interesting.
When presented with an opportunity to admit you were not correctly dividing the word of truth you, instead, add more accusations.
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The Bible says;
Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another,
ill always grant without exception. [/b]"
The problem with the positive confession crowd is not the doctrine, per se, but their hearts. They see God as a dispenser of gifts; gifts chosen by the force of want. Such requests emanate from babies in Christ, at least, and some are from heathens who seek to use the name of God for gain.
The Bible also records Jesus saying (John 17:22) "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them..."
The glory was God's to give because it was His glory. So, this is the glory He gave to His Son. And the Son, likewise, gave this glory to His disciples.
This is consistent with the statements
"As the Father has sent me I also send you."
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"All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you."
But what of the truth that God will not give His glory to another?
It is clear that we are not "another" if we are found in the Son.
(Eph 5:30) "For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones."
We are His flesh and His bones. His body.
When Bloodbought was accused of "naming it and claiming it" he countered the accusation with the correct answer:
"Yes. God names it and I claim it."
This is the order recognized by mature sons of God: God establishes the reality and the son simply agrees with Him. Flesh and blood cannot establish these things but only the Father in Heaven. And, with their mouths, the sons of God submit their will to the Father.
You do not see the body demanding anything from the head. In this correct arrangement you see the body (the saints) responding to the Head (The Lord Jesus Christ) with their confession.
Aaron
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The Bible says;
Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another,
ill always grant without exception. [/b]"
The problem with the positive confession crowd is not the doctrine, per se, but their hearts. They see God as a dispenser of gifts; gifts chosen by the force of want. Such requests emanate from babies in Christ, at least, and some are from heathens who seek to use the name of God for gain.
The Bible also records Jesus saying (John 17:22) "And the glory which You gave Me I have given them..."
The glory was God's to give because it was His glory. So, this is the glory He gave to His Son. And the Son, likewise, gave this glory to His disciples.
This is consistent with the statements
"As the Father has sent me I also send you."
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"All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you."
But what of the truth that God will not give His glory to another?
It is clear that we are not "another" if we are found in the Son.
(Eph 5:30) "For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones."
We are His flesh and His bones. His body.
When Bloodbought was accused of "naming it and claiming it" he countered the accusation with the correct answer:
"Yes. God names it and I claim it."
This is the order recognized by mature sons of God: God establishes the reality and the son simply agrees with Him. Flesh and blood cannot establish these things but only the Father in Heaven. And, with their mouths, the sons of God submit their will to the Father.
You do not see the body demanding anything from the head. In this correct arrangement you see the body (the saints) responding to the Head (The Lord Jesus Christ) with their confession.
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The Word of Faith/Positive Confession crowd has been promoting the "Prayer of Jabez" as a prosperity formula for years. As justification they testify as to what they have experienced, not the Biblical justification. There is no Biblical justification for the Believer to pray this formula, or as Wilkinson declares that he had prayed this prayer every day for 30 years.
The prayer of Jabez is contrary to the teaching of Christ on prayer, nor is it within the context of scripture which teaches not my will but Thine.
We do not need to tap into the riches of God, but rather to yield our hearts and lives to the Will of God, in all circumstances.
Luke 22:
41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,
42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.
44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
45 And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,
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If you do not desire to be blessed like Jabez, don't worry, it will not happen.
I Can't even begin to tell how much I have been blessed. I'm blessed every day praise God
It's all down to acceptance of the will of God. He wants to bless.
If you don't want it He will not put your arm up your back.
Neither will twisters like you.
So why did you "feel" the need to promote this post again?
It is clear to all how blessed you are.
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Hi WildB,
If you do not desire to be blessed like Jabez, don't worry, it will not happen.
I Can't even begin to tell how much I have been blessed. I'm blessed every day praise God
It's all down to acceptance of the will of God. He wants to bless.
If you don't want it He will not put your arm up your back.
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Some view the prayer of Jabez as a selfish prayer and for that reason they dismiss it completely.
It was not a selfish prayer at all. His prayer was not for the happiness of man in any way, because if it was, God would not have granted his request.
What Jabez requested was for the glory of God.
This is the type of prayer God will always grant without exception.
See how swiftly the answer came when Jesus prayed,
John 12:28 Father, glorify your name.” Then a voice came from heaven: “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.”
The psalmist prayed,
Psalm 67:1 May God be gracious to us and bless us and make his face to shine upon us, Selah
Why?
Psalm 67:2 that your way may be known on earth, your saving power among all nations.
Jabez prayed,
1 Chronicles 4:10 “Oh that you would bless me indeed.”
Jabez had the same motive in praying as Jesus and as the psalmist. It was for the glory of God.
Any prayer that is for the happiness of man and not for the glory of God is a waste of time.
If false teachers thinks they can hijack the prayer of Jabez and teach it to promote pleasure and increase finances, or name something they would like such as a new BMW and claim it, they are making a big mistake, because that is in no way what Jabez requested.
It is also a mistake on the part of Christians to dismiss the prayer of Jabez as unimportant because of false teaching.
The Bible says;
Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another,
So how can this statement of yours be true?
"What Jabez requested was for the glory of God.
This is the type of prayer God will always grant without exception. "
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I don’t know anything about Wilkinson's book. I never read it so I can’t comment on it. All I know is what the scriptures say.
Mr Cooper may have an argument with Wilkinson's book because he must read it and disagree with it, but I doubt if he would disagree with any portion of the scripture.
Is it that you personally disagree my last post, and if so, why?
It is clear to all, that you think you know what the scriptures say and have no problem twisting what don't fit.
This J-pray talk of yours is the same as Wilkinson's.
Mr Cooper would be well pleased knowing that his study was forwarded to correct such anti-Biblical opinion.
Now go and try to rightly divide the Word of Truth from now on.
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You didn't not answer.
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Unless you claim to be God, there must have been a time in your life when you became a new creature.
How much have you changed WildB?
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I don’t know anything about Wilkinson's book. I never read it so I can’t comment on it. All I know is what the scriptures say.
Mr Cooper may have an argument with Wilkinson's book because he must read it and disagree with it, but I doubt if he would disagree with any portion of the scripture.
Is it that you personally disagree my last post, and if so, why?
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Hi WildB
I don’t know anything about Wilkinson's book. I never read it so I can’t comment on it. All I know is what the scriptures say.
Mr Cooper may have an argument with Wilkinson's book because he must read it and disagree with it, but I doubt if he would disagree with any portion of the scripture.
Is it that you personally disagree my last post, and if so, why?
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A Look at The Prayer of Jabez
By Rev. Charles Cooper
The Prayer of Jabez
By Bruce Wilkinson
Sisters, OR: Multnomah Publishers, 2000
93 pages
$9.99
The Prayer of Jabez has sold over nine million copies. This does not include the sale of support materials like devotionals and journals, or the coffee mugs, calendars, paperweights, plaques, key rings, bookmarks, and compact discs. Numerous publishing accolades, best-seller awards, and positive reviews by prestigious publishing sources adorn this book. It is a publisher's dream-come-true.
Since books are passed around, it is conceivable that the nine million copies sold translate into 30 plus million readers. It spells success any way you look at it. Having known Bruce Wilkinson for the better part of 15 years, I can safely vouch for the man's heart, love and commitment to Jesus Christ. His Walk Thru the Bible Ministries has taught millions a basic knowledge of both the Old and New Testament in fun-filled creative ways. The Prayer of Jabez has added many more to the list who have been solidly helped by Wilkinson's ministry. In this case, many have been moved to prayer with the expectation that God will work in their daily lives.
Yet, the book, The Prayer of Jabez, appears to have applied the illustration and not the theological principle. Wilkinson's book is based on a simple prayer recorded in 1 Chronicles 4:9-10. The book of Chronicles is an oft-ignored Old Testament record of King David's faithfulness or lack of faithfulness to God. The first nine chapters of 1 Chronicles list the genealogical pedigree of the nation of Israel with an emphasis on the priority of Kind David. The remainder of the book focuses exclusively on the rule of David. Both his highs and lows are recorded.
The primary purpose of the book of 1 Chronicles is to explain the ascendance of the tribe of Judah. Jacob's first-born son was Reuben who should have received a double portion of his father's estate and prominence among his brothers. However, Reuben sinned against his father resulting in Joseph receiving the rights of inheritance of the first-born and Judah receiving the prominence among his brothers. In the genealogical lists of 1 Chronicles, the tribe of Judah is listed first for this reason and because it is the tribe of King David. Jabez is the only individual singled out in the genealogy of Judah. It is written of him,
Jabez was more honorable than his brothers; and his mother called his name Jabez, saying, "Because I born him in pain." Jabez called upon the God of Israel, saying, "Oh that you would bless me and enlarge my border, and that your hand might be with me, and that you would keep me from harm so that it might not bring me pain!" And God granted what he asked.
Jabez obviously represents a man blessed of God. The immediate question is this: what is the proper way to apply Jabez's example to us, the modern reader? The reason Wilkinson's book is unsettling is that he attempts to apply the specifics of the prayer rather than the general principle upon which the prayer is based.
When asked by His disciples to teach them how to pray, Jesus issued a model prayer for the ages,
Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is done in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil (Matt 6:9b-13).
There is a stark contrast between the prayer of Jabez and the prayer of Jesus.
Wilkinson's encouragement to repeat a prayer over and over again throughout one's life smacks of formulizing one's walk with God to the degree that it becomes all about "me" with very little focus on God. Notice in the prayer of Jesus the number of "us" and "we" occurrences. Notice their absence in the prayer of Jabez.
The Jabez prayer is based on a simple biblical principle that is repeated explicitly in the New Testament. James writes, "The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working" (James 5:16b - ESV). Jabez's prayer was answered because he was a righteous (more honorable) man. A fact established by time. Wilkinson's book might give some the idea that good intentions are all that is necessary to begin receiving bountifully from the Lord. Now to be fair, Wilkinson is not suggesting that the prayer of Jabez is the only prayer a believer ought to pray. However, that a believer might pray it at all is equally troubling. Please notice that the Bible does not explicitly state precisely what God did in response to Jabez's request. The text merely states, "And God granted what he asked." Well, he requested four things: (1) bless me; (2) enlarge my border; (3) your hand be with me; and (4) keep me from harm. The text says, "And God granted what he asked." Unfortunately, we are not told exactly how.
The key to understanding the prayer of Jabez is in the details. His name is Jabez. Now nearly all Hebrew proper names have meaning. For example, the name David means "beloved one." The name Jabez does not have a similar meaning. Because at his birth, his mother used a pun to make up his name. "His mother called his name Jabez, saying, because I bore him in pain." In the Hebrew, Jabez (yabez) and the term for pain (ozeb) have the last three letters switched. This pun on pain is used as a tool to explain the circumstances of the child's birth.
The last line of Jabez's prayer is, "so that it might not bring me pain." The sense seems to be "keep me from afflictions so that they (the afflictions) would not bring me pain." In other words, Jabez prays that his name would not be a prophetic indicator of his life. A person's name given at birth was a big issue in biblical times. "Ideally, the name was either descriptive of the parent's wishes or prophetic of personality to be manifested by one so named." [1]
In as much as Jabez's prayer is framed between the concept of pain, it is more likely that Jabez's prayer is focusing on the deliverance from a life of pain. That is, Jabez prays that God will deliver him from the life that his name implies—pain. Put another way, Jabez recognizes that he was born in pain, but wants to live a pain-free life. That this is the intent of this text is supported by the following fact. Jabez prays that God would "enlarge my border." Actually, the Hebrew says territory. Wilkinson errs when, instead of praying for land (the literal application), he substitutes "more influence, more responsibility, and more opportunity" (The Prayer of Jabez, page 30).
Jabez specifically asked God "to enlarge his borders." This is basically a land request. Acquiring land in Israel was not a simple matter. After bringing the Children of Israel out of Egypt, God set specific laws to govern how the Israelites were to deal with their individual land grants. Leviticus 25:23 declares, "The land shall not be sold in perpetuity, for the land is mine." That is, no one could sell his land rights—only the use of the land could be sold. However, anyone forced to sell the use of his land knew that he would receive it back in the year of jubilee. The point is this: there simply was no land to get. Therefore, it appears strange that Jabez would be asking God for more land.
Therefore, Wilkinson is correct to teach the modern reader not to pray specifically for more land, but he is incorrect to teach the modern reader to pray for "more influence, more responsibility, and more opportunity." These things are fine, but they are not based on 1 Chronicles 4:9-10. This passage merely teaches that the prayers of a righteous man avail much (James 5:16). Jabez prayed that the circumstances that characterized his birth and led to his name would not characterize his life. This God answered! Jabez did not live up to his name. He lived beyond it!
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1. Zondervan Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Bible, Vol. 4, (Grand Rapids: Regency Reference Library, 1976), page 362.
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Back to the prayer of Jabez.
The scripture says “Jabez was more honourable than his brethren.” The reason he deserved more honour from the Lord than his brethren was because he honoured the Lord more.
1 Samuel 2:30 Wherefore the LORD God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the LORD saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour , and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.
Those who want their requests granted must be honourable.
Proverbs 3:9 Honour the LORD with thy substance, And with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
10 So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, And thy presses shall burst out with new wine.
Jesus said,
John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
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My testimony is maintained in the Shed Blood of Christ.
Read Him and then you will know me.
Unless you claim to be God, there must have been a time in your life when you became a new creature.
How much have you changed WildB?
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Your J pray thinking is not team.
I’m glad God granted the man what he requested.
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Watch this, its called the rAPTURE....
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I think that is about right. Into the clouds and return almost immediately. Yes.
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This J Pray of yours is a form of "name it and claim it."
Yes. God names it and I claim it.
Do you have a testimony that I could read?
My testimony is maintained in the Shed Blood of Christ.
Read Him and then you will know me.
Your J pray thinking is not team.
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Ok?????? Being sick is not given in to temptation.
My physical condition is hereditary. No one chooses the genes they are born with.
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Matthew 26:41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
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The Thorn in the Flesh
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
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The Pharmacist made a mistake and gave hubby medicine that he is allergic to, so we had to wait extra time. I was able to call my nephew to come and sit with mom the extra 30 minutes. I am tired physically and mentally. The abscess busted open on its own this time,so the doctor did not have to cut him open so now he is on antibiotics and pain medication.
Please pray for him.
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James 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
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Some view the prayer of Jabez as a selfish prayer and for that reason they dismiss it completely.
It was not a selfish prayer at all. His prayer was not for the happiness of man in any way, because if it was, God would not have granted his request. What Jabez requested was for the glory of God. This is the type of prayer God will always grant without exception.
See how swiftly the answer came when Jesus prayed,
John 12:28 Father, glorify your name.” Then a voice came from heaven: “I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.”
The psalmist prayed,
Psalm 67:1 May God be gracious to us and bless us and make his face to shine upon us, Selah
Why?
Psalm 67:2 that your way may be known on earth, your saving power among all nations.
Jabez prayed,
1 Chronicles 4:10 “Oh that you would bless me indeed.”
Jabez had the same motive in praying as Jesus and as the psalmist. It was for the glory of God.
Any prayer that is for the happiness of man and not for the glory of God is a waste of time.
If false teachers thinks they can hijack the prayer of Jabez and teach it to promote pleasure and increase finances, or name something they would like such as a new BMW and claim it, they are making a big mistake, because that is in no way what Jabez requested.
It is also a mistake on the part of Christians to dismiss the prayer of Jabez as unimportant because of false teaching.
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The Pharmacist made a mistake and gave hubby medicine that he is allergic to, so we had to wait extra time. I was able to call my nephew to come and sit with mom the extra 30 minutes. I am tired physically and mentally. The abscess busted open on its own this time,so the doctor did not have to cut him open so now he is on antibiotics and pain medication.
Please pray for him.
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Name it and Claim it is wrong. God is not Santa Claus. Does God answer our prayers? Yes He does but sometimes the answer is no.
Like you, Wild B, my family has been under attack especially hard since March of this year. I am a care giver for my mom and she cannot be left alone. My husband has been in the hospital three times this year and gone to the doctor to have abscess cut out of his body in the office at least 7 times. Because of his last stroke he cannot drive, so I have to beg and plead for someone to come and sit with my mom or take her with us but because I walk with a cane and she is in a wheel chair taking her is hard on both of us.
Today it was more drama trying to figure out what to do with mom today because he has another abscess. Thankfully I do have a nurses aid that comes three days a week for 4 hours. After talking to the surgeon this morning, it looks like this time I can run him to the Va to pick up strong antibiotics and get back before she leaves. Sometimes I am so overwhelmed with stress that I can't sleep at night. My husband is a new Christian and he and I are doing a ministry of making wooden pens and giving them out with Christian tracts to veterans and people who take care of veterans. Being at the VA so much gives up alot of opportunity to give them out but him being so sick limits the times he can work on making them. We both often wonder why God has not healed him. He has 7 surgeries in the same area in the last 5 years.
I said all this to say that Christians are under attack just like WildB says. Claiming healing doesn't work. Yes we are praying for his healing, but God is not an ATM machine that you can crank out answers that you want. We are to live by faith.
Jabez prayer is a selfish prayer. He doesn't pray for his family or any others. He is only concerned about himself. Yes, he was rewarded on earth, but how many heavenly rewards did he miss out on because he was concerned only for his present and not his future in Heaven.
We are living in the last days. The devil is fighting over time because he knows his time to afflict the Church is ending soon. This is not a time for the Jabez prayer, but a time to pray for our lost loved ones that they may miss the tribulation.
Let us pray for one another that God will substain and strengthen us. Having all our burdens removed from us is not a sign that we are leaving right. I don't know anyone that was as good as Paul and God did not remove the thorn from his body. Yet he lived and died for Christ.
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This J Pray of yours is a form of "name it and claim it."
Yes. God names it and I claim it.
Do you have a testimony that I could read?
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You still haven't read Truthfully what was originally posted have you?
I agree with what is scriptural and twist what isn't.
Sorry but you are very confused and not at all rightfully divided.
Please try to read what was posted again.
This J Pray of yours is a form of "name it and claim it."
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You still haven't read Truthfully what was originally posted have you?
I agree with what is scriptural and twist what isn't.
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Hum I wonder why the Lord said this to Paul,
2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
and not to just pray as Jabez did to get his three requests granted?
The difference between the prayer of Paul and the prayer of Jabez was that Paul prayed for deliverance of the flesh, but Jabez prayed for deliverance from evil. Big difference.
Jabez prayed “keep ME from evil, that it may not grieve ME.”
Jesus told His disciples to pray for deliverance from evil.
Matthew 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
If this request is called for in sincerity, God will grant it with pleasure as He did for Jabez.
You didn't even read what was posted did ya?
Paul prayed for deliverance of the flesh,from a messenger of Satan. He was already under attack my friend.
Jabez could not of prayed for deliverance from evil. For as yet he was not under attack.
Jabez prayed “keep ME from evil, that it may not grieve ME.” Jabez was passive HE did not want any trouble. He wanted to hang out under the fig tree and roast up some lamb. He really didn't want to have to be in a position to be grieved.
Christ wants US to be in a position that WE need to have our armor on always and pray for deliverance from evil in the daily battles of our walk, for HE HAS ALREADY WON THE WAR!
Also your say-in a sincere request is the price paid for a ticket to box seats that God will grant with pleasure as He did for Jabez.
And here I was thinking it was a righteous request made according to Gods Will that it may please Him to keep one out in the field working with the team.
You can’t reconcile the flesh and the spirit. The flesh profits nothing. Paul said that in his flesh dwelt no good thing. He also said that he learned in whatsoever state he was in, therewith to be content. He learned that its no use pandering to the demands of the flesh and praying for the removal of thorns.
Jabez didn’t pray for the flesh. The evil that he requested to be protected from had nothing to do with the flesh. The evil that he requested to be protected from was spiritual evil, it was his spirit that required protection. And yes, Jabez was already under attack my friend. He was born in pain, his name means pain. The pain would have been an unpleasant physical condition, but not once did he complain about it or request deliverance from it. He was willing to put up with it, because it was only a fleshly problem. He wasn’t concerned about physical pain, his concern was that his spirit be protected from evil and the spirit be not grieved. Unlike many, Jabez got his priorities right.
1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
Your statements are opinion and cannot be backed up from the Bible.
It is clear to all,
You still haven't read Truthfully what was originally posted have you?
Did you ever play
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You shur are good at it as an Adult.
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Hum I wonder why the Lord said this to Paul,
2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
and not to just pray as Jabez did to get his three requests granted?
The difference between the prayer of Paul and the prayer of Jabez was that Paul prayed for deliverance of the flesh, but Jabez prayed for deliverance from evil. Big difference.
Jabez prayed “keep ME from evil, that it may not grieve ME.”
Jesus told His disciples to pray for deliverance from evil.
Matthew 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
If this request is called for in sincerity, God will grant it with pleasure as He did for Jabez.
You didn't even read what was posted did ya?
Paul prayed for deliverance of the flesh,from a messenger of Satan. He was already under attack my friend.
Jabez could not of prayed for deliverance from evil. For as yet he was not under attack.
Jabez prayed “keep ME from evil, that it may not grieve ME.” Jabez was passive HE did not want any trouble. He wanted to hang out under the fig tree and roast up some lamb. He really didn't want to have to be in a position to be grieved.
Christ wants US to be in a position that WE need to have our armor on always and pray for deliverance from evil in the daily battles of our walk, for HE HAS ALREADY WON THE WAR!
Also your say-in a sincere request is the price paid for a ticket to box seats that God will grant with pleasure as He did for Jabez.
And here I was thinking it was a righteous request made according to Gods Will that it may please Him to keep one out in the field working with the team.
You can’t reconcile the flesh and the spirit. The flesh profits nothing. Paul said that in his flesh dwelt no good thing. He also said that he learned in whatsoever state he was in, therewith to be content. He learned that its no use pandering to the demands of the flesh and praying for the removal of thorns.
Jabez didn’t pray for the flesh. The evil that he requested to be protected from had nothing to do with the flesh. The evil that he requested to be protected from was spiritual evil, it was his spirit that required protection. And yes, Jabez was already under attack my friend. He was born in pain, his name means pain. The pain would have been an unpleasant physical condition, but not once did he complain about it or request deliverance from it. He was willing to put up with it, because it was only a fleshly problem. He wasn’t concerned about physical pain, his concern was that his spirit be protected from evil and the spirit be not grieved. Unlike many, Jabez got his priorities right.
1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
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