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Hello again Sarah,
The question shouldnt be so much........are you the right ones for each other?..........the questions should be.........are you both willing to make the marriage work no matter what differences,difficulties, challenges, troubles may come upon you? Are you willing to remain faithful to each other? Are you willing to believe that God can keep you together?

You asked?

Also though, where in this equation, does staying the night over with the other person fall? Is that considered to be a bad thing that is against God

Staying over night I am sure would put you into a circumstance of great temptation.........and I am sure that is something that God would want you to avoid.

The apostle Paul gives the advice........it is better to marry than to burn in passion towards another.

There is a matter of faith here.........can you both trust God that He can help you make it work................or are you going to continue on in your doubts about each other.

With love in Jesus, Daniel

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quote:
Originally posted by So Called Sarah:
quote:
Originally posted by oneinchrist:
My response:

It sounds like the woman and the man both want to do the right thing..............so whats the hold-up?(work things out?)
Be married in the Lord and enter into the blessing of marriage.

With love in Jesus, Daniel

My confusion is I am not sure it is the answer to rush into marriage, is that really getting right by God if we are unsure if things will work out or if we will be able to manage a marriage? That's what has me confused...mostly. We do want to do the right thing, and we do want to get married, I just don't know if we want to RUSH into a marriage when we've experienced such tribulations. We are trying to take things slow and work on what we have with each other and see if we can fix things and if we can possibly be a good marriage match for each other in the future. And...fyi, we are currently living apart. Also though, where in this equation, does staying the night over with the other person fall? Is that considered to be a bad thing that is against God?
God is not the author of confusion. How long have you known this person. What kind of family's you all have? Jobs? Hows your health? Any prior kids involved? Any prior financial dept that should be discussed? What about assets and long term personal commitments. Sex is just the appendix of the book that you should be reading 1st. To some chapters that I just pointed out. I left out the most important because I assumed you both are born-again Spirit Filled. Do not be unequally yoked with a unbeliever.


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quote:
Originally posted by oneinchrist:
My response:

It sounds like the woman and the man both want to do the right thing..............so whats the hold-up?(work things out?)
Be married in the Lord and enter into the blessing of marriage.

With love in Jesus, Daniel

My confusion is I am not sure it is the answer to rush into marriage, is that really getting right by God if we are unsure if things will work out or if we will be able to manage a marriage? That's what has me confused...mostly. We do want to do the right thing, and we do want to get married, I just don't know if we want to RUSH into a marriage when we've experienced such tribulations. We are trying to take things slow and work on what we have with each other and see if we can fix things and if we can possibly be a good marriage match for each other in the future. And...fyi, we are currently living apart. Also though, where in this equation, does staying the night over with the other person fall? Is that considered to be a bad thing that is against God?

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Either God’s Word is the final authority or it’s not?

Does the Born Again Believe live by the indwelling presence of the creator of the universe and all living things or does he live unto himself / herself?

(Rom 2:1-10 KJV) Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. {2} But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. {3} And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? {4} Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? {5} But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; {6} Who will render to every man according to his deeds: {7} To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: {8} But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, {9} Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; {10} But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

Verses 6 & 7 provide the simple definition of eternal life. Eternal life is the reward of “glory and honour and immortality” that comes to the Christian who patiently endures in performing good works (i.e., well doing). The Christian who “worketh good” will have glory and honour at the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the person he is at the rapture (i.e., resurrection) will pass through the testing fire and continue on into the millennial reign of Jesus Christ. This is the meaning of “immortality”. The person who is immortalized is the one who receives glory and honor, and his deeds (i.e., his life) are remembered forever. Christians who arrive at the Judgment Seat of Christ as liars, gossips, adulterers or drunkards will have their lives perish in the testing fire of God. They will receive “tribulation and anguish” for their evil works, and they will not inherit eternal life. The opposite of perishing at the Judgment Seat of Christ is to inherit eternal life. Eternal life pertains to the soul of the Christian and not the spirit.

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Living together is not the answer. My sister lived with her second husband before marriage. His true colors did not come out until after the marriage.
The right thing to do is either make a commitment and marry or live apart until they decide.
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Hi again Sarah,

You said:

But what if the woman has already slept with the man...and already lived with the man, and now they are both trying to change their ways and get back to God? What does it mean then? Especially if the man wants to marry her, but the timing is soon to tell whether they will be able to work things out? Im so confused.

My response:

It sounds like the woman and the man both want to do the right thing..............so whats the hold-up?(work things out?)
Be married in the Lord and enter into the blessing of marriage.

With love in Jesus, Daniel

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But what if the woman has already slept with the man...and already lived with the man, and now they are both trying to change their ways and get back to God? What does it mean then? Especially if the man wants to marry her, but the timing is soon to tell whether they will be able to work things out? Im so confused.

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Hi again Sarah,
I do believe in my heart that we reap what we sow. If a woman sows to chastity, keeping herself for her husband, and fidelity it is much more likely that she will be blessed with a man who is much more inclined to know her as a person than just to look at her outward beauty. If a man does not respect those qualities, then she has not met a Godly fearing man...........and that is a huge red flag because a man that does not reverence the Lord will not look at marriage as a Holy institution of God and he will go to the wrong sources in time of trouble.

With love in Jesus, Daniel

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I think it's very hard in this day and age when so few people seem to get married before living together or before having intimate relations with one another, especially if you have been living that way for a long period of time and you are a new Christian like me struggling to make changes an dfollow a righteous path. The argument so many have that it's better to find out about these things before rushing into a marriage when that may not have been the way things were originally intended. I struggle a lot in this department looking for the right answers of right and wrong and what I think I can handle and what I think I'm capable of when it comes to trying to live in Jesus' footsteps and act as one of God's children and try to make Him proud and happy.

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Thanks oneinchrist. I posted a major portion of my testimony in the main section under Prayer-Praise Reports & Testimonies. It's listed as "My Story" Thanks, your Brother in Christ.
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quote:
Originally posted by oneinchrist:
Hi Wild B,
1 Corinthians 6:18 contains the words "flee fornication". I had to look it up to be sure that I was not putting words into the bible that were not there.

With love in Jesus, Daniel

Well Danial the flee exortation came after the example set forth in chapter 5 by the destruction of the sinning ones flesh that the spirit be saved.

Still side stepping the pulling of the trigger?


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Hi again Fixer,
I would like to hear your testimony. I do not think it would be a problem to post it right here.......you are not going to get hit with a yardstick for breaking rules........lol

With love in Jesus, Daniel

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Hi Wild B,
1 Corinthians 6:18 contains the words "flee fornication". I had to look it up to be sure that I was not putting words into the bible that were not there.

With love in Jesus, Daniel

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Hello again Brother oneinchrist. You are right when you say that Paul referred to the Corinthian congregation as the church of God. However when his reference to their immorality was directed at one among them.In chapter 5 verse 11 he says not to associate with anyone who "CALLS" himself a brother but is sexually immoral...
That brings me back to what I wrote earlier.. A person can go through the motions of accepting Jesus and enter into fellowship with the church and even be called a "Christian" and yet not be "like Christ". There is a difference, and sometimes it is difficult to see the truth, between a person who claims the mantel of a christian and a person who is a "Christ-like" Christian.
Early in my walk with Jesus, He directed me to His parable of the sower. He shows how the Word can be received and accepted by individuals and how most of those will fall away. Do not all those who accept the Word fit into the group called "christians". I would think so, but it is an entirely different matter to BE Christian.
I feel the need to give my testimony so that you might get an understanding of where I'm coming from. I have been trying to figure out how to do this without just adding it to a particular topic that doesn't relate to testimonials. If you know how I could go about doing so, I'm all ears.
With heartfelt regards, your Brother in Christ.

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quote:
Originally posted by oneinchrist:
Hello again fixer,
When the apostle Paul adressed the Corinthians, he referred to them as the "church of God".
He heard of their immorality and warned them to flee from it.

With love in Jesus, Daniel

No actually no flee involved. Please read what really was done.

1 Corinthians 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.


If your going to pull the trigger , pull the trigger!


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Hello again fixer,
When the apostle Paul adressed the Corinthians, he referred to them as the "church of God".
He heard of their immorality and warned them to flee from it. I do not think that there is reason to believe that Paul was warning unconverted souls. Therefore, I do not think that we should be too quick to assume that someone who is committing sexual sin is unconverted.

I would agree with you that a Christian does not live in rebellion to God(in the general sense), but I would disagree with you if you claimed that a Christian flat out does not (ever) willfully sin.

Thanks for the fellowship.

With love in Jesus, Daniel

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Hello oneinchrist, the heart of the issue is not fornication, it's Sin. Do we, as faithful followers of Christ, continue to willfully sin? I can't see myself doing so. When I committed my life to serving Jesus my nature changed drastically. The change did not take a great deal of effort on my part. My Lord showed me the things I would do that displeased Him and the thought of His not being happy with me made the change effortless.
So back to the "issue". Does a Christian willfully Sin? NO! The reason that I can say that is simply an understanding of the word "Christian". It means "Christ Like" or "like Christ". Just because a person claims to be something it doesn't mean that person is what they claim. Anyone can attend Sunday Service at their favorite Church. I like the story told in the bible of the people who came up to Jesus and said they felt they deserved to enter Heaven because they had been casting out demons and healing the afflicted. Jesus told them to get away, that He didn't "know" them.
There is so much more but I'm needed. Later.

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Hi Fixer,
It nice to meet you.

You said:

Hello, I would like to ask a question and make a statement in regards to the issue

My response:

You say that you are responding in regards to the issue. The issue that we are looking at here is "fornication". I am not sure what you are saying in your post in regards to fornication.....could you please clarify. Thanks.

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Hello again Wild B,
You said:

But I did the right thing and I suffered for it.

My response:
I am sorry to hear how your marriages turned out. There was a time in history when the sanctity of marriage was held in much higher regards and even the mention of divorce would have been considered like taboo. Now we are in a day and time when marriage is looked at with much more disdain and divorces are a common occurrence. It is sad to see the way that things have become because when a marriage is carried out in the way that God desires it can be a beautiful thing with much blessing upon it.

You also said:

So smoking is ok cause its not seen (spiritually) as sexual immorality.

Wild B, I cerainly do not think that smoking is ok. I think it is a terrible misuse of the body that God has given us to be used for His purposes.

With love in Jesus, Daniel

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Hello, I would like to ask a question and make a statement in regards to the issue. The question: Is the human body not made of the things of this physical world and as such will, upon death, pretty much desolve away into it's base material? The statement: When God created us He didn't create the specific physical body that we occupy. He created our soul in His image. In order to better understand what is written in scripture we must, as Jesus taught us, get in touch with our true nature, our Spiritual nature. We follow Jesus through Faith, a spiritual act. We are gifted a guide, the Holy Spirit.
My spiritual connection to my Lord Jesus is the only concern I have. My body will one day soon be worm food. While I enjoy eternity with the love of my heart, JESUS.
May His Spirit dwell in you all and lead you to His Truths.

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Morning Daniel in the Lord,

ThanX for your from the heart honesty.

My 1st wife had inclusion brain disease after 8 years of marriage and 2 little ones.We owned a home and a nice car. All was well Then......

Her mental deterioration manifested itself in leaving the kids when I went to work and hitting the bars. It got to a point that she didn't even recognize me or the youngest.

Being in the places she was feeling safe at, drew the worst and they started to end up in our home and some sat in my chair.

A friend called me one day and said if I want to meet one of the other men hes sitting in your chair right now.

Well from then on out the next year was hell.

I lost everything but my 2 kids a car and my job. The X took her $35,000 and left and moved in with the Century 21 house salesman.

When the money ran out in 2 months, She left state and we didnt hear about her for another 10 years.

Ect ect...

I tried to raise a 2 and 7 yearold the best of my Military trained ability and found myself lacking greatly. So I went looking for a woman and thought I found a real God fearing, Bible believing one.

Within 2 years into the marriage she started attacking my son in all ways and manor, except sexually.

Well it turns out that she failed to tell me that she was sexually abused by her older brother.Which came out after concealing and her being pregnant. Made sense my daughter was her age and my now 11 year-old son her brothers. What didnt make sense was her knowing this and not telling me. I confronted her within the Grace of God, then she attacked stabbing me with a pencil in my back and then left with our 1 yearold son. This all on my birthday. Not only thing she lied about, she also left me with genital herpes for the rest of my life.


I lived in pain for 17 years after this as I worked 80 to a 100hrs a week to maintain my responsibilities.

I know it was the right thing to be married but when someone deceives using the Grace of God, I think if I had lived with this person 1st I would of done things much different.

But I did the right thing and I suffered for it.


Also the reason I ? your use of verse,

1 Corinthians 3 vs. 16-17
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the spirit of God dwells in you?
If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is Holy, which temple you are.
My response:
So a solder or sailor should avoid the temple defilement of Nuclear, Biological, Chemical or Asbestos exposure?

Yours:
I do not see the Lord warn against exposure to nuclear, bio, chem, or abestos exposure. They must not be as potentially dangerous (spiritually) as sexual immorality.


So smoking is ok cause its not seen (spiritually) as sexual immorality.

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Hi Wild B,
In response to your question.......

oneinchrist have you ever been forced into a divorce?

I would not say that I was forced(per se) into divorce in June of 1993........ an unbelieving wife decided to leave me.

Neither was I forced into the fornication that I lived in for two years before I married my present wife. Believe me you, I know that I will be held accountable(but not cast out) for that sin. I was the one who was converted,who knew Gods will, didnt do it, and will receive ???# lashes.

Wild B,
You also gave this scripture and following question:

1 Corinthians 3 vs. 16-17
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the spirit of God dwells in you?
If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is Holy, which temple you are.

So a solder or sailor should avoid the temple defilement of Nuclear, Biological, Chemical or Asbestos exposure?

My response:
I do not see the Lord warn against exposure to nuclear, bio, chem, or abestos exposure. They must not be as potentially dangerous (spiritually) as sexual immorality.

With love in Jesus, Daniel

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Wild B,
I am not trying to condemn anyone to hell not my job. I just know in my family that two kinfolk did live with a man before marriage but as they got closer to God they both chose to get married.
But trust me I am not condemning anyone.
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oneinchrist have you ever been forced into a divorce?

Also you post this scripture.

1 Corinthians 3 vs. 16-17
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the spirit of God dwells in you?
If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is Holy, which temple you are.


So a solder or sailor should avoid the temple defilement of Nuclear, Biological, Chemical or Asbestos exposure?


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The Holy Spirit warns against sexual immorality. Jesus Himself warns against sexual immorality.

We are a poor example of the love of God if we look casually upon this sin and allow our brothers/sisters to sink into judgement.

An unbeliever may very well look at this accusation as a form of judging, but the believer will accept correction from a brother/sister who is living for the same reason---that is, to give honor and glory to the One who is worthy of all honor and glory.

1 Corinthians 3 vs. 16-17
Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the spirit of God dwells in you?
If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is Holy, which temple you are.

It appears to me that the cause to warn a brother/sister away from sexual immorality should trump any feelings of fear about what he/she may think about you .

With love in Jesus, Daniel

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quote:
Originally posted by Betty Louise:
Do Christians live together outside of marriage? You bet. But there comes a time when they either heed the warning of the Holy Spirit and either get married or stop living together or they stay rebellious. I would never say that a Christian cannot enter Heaven who is living in sin, but why would we want live in a way that is displeasing to God.
betty

Betty, It never ceases to amaze me how these prodigal sons brother types are so adherent to the law till the father opens his arms to that smelly son returning from pig slop. Boy don't that moment show forth their heart. Humm?

Notice its THY SON and not MY BROTHER.

Luke 15:30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.

So how does this good law biding son have harlots on his mind? I see he was looking at some National Geographic mags with some African wemons in it.

Lets see what Christ says about that.


Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


My observation is those that are so ready to condemn other Spirit Born Again relations to hell better take notice to which ticket they hold.


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I believe the Holy Spirit was very specific in what He wanted to communicate in the scriptures.

While I agree that people living together prior to marriage is sin it seems that you are saying that this passage is about going to Heaven. Yet, 'Heaven' is not once mentioned in these passages. Instead, this passage is about the inheriting the Kingdom of God.

To be clear, there are other passages about going to Heaven (fewer than one might think, actually, but they are there) but this is not one of them.

Romans 14 says this about the Kingdom of God (Romans 14:7) "...for the Kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit."

And it goes on to say "For he who serves Christ in these things is acceptable to God and approved by men. Therefore let us pursue the things which make for peace and the things by which one may edify another."

What I read is a present-tense pursuit of these things (righteous, peace, joy) not a "reality when we die" sort of mentality. The Kingdom of God here, at least, speaks of a life in the Holy Spirit characterized by righteousness, peace, and joy.

So, for example it would be more precise to say, "the fornicator should not think that she can live with righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit."

Elsewhere I have also seen this written: "We put on the righteousness of Christ..."

I have yet to find that in the scriptures. Instead, I find that we are to put on Christ, who is our righteousness.

I also believe the Holy Spirit is very specific when He uses the following words and phrases: Jesus, Jesus Christ, and Christ (or Christ Jesus). So, for instance, we are not to "put on Jesus"; we are to "put on Christ". The natural body of Jesus was sown but a spiritual Body of Christ was raised. We who are part of the Body are included in the Body of Christ. So, we put on Christ, who is our righteousness.

Bless you,
Aaron

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Betty Louise
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Do Christians live together outside of marriage? You bet. But there comes a time when they either heed the warning of the Holy Spirit and either get married or stop living together or they stay rebellious. I would never say that a Christian cannot enter Heaven who is living in sin, but why would we want live in a way that is displeasing to God.
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I am not surprised that there are many unmarried couples who live together, but I am surprised when professing Christians casually say that they are "living together".

1 Corninthians 6:9-10
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the Kingdom of God.

Its not that there will not be any prior fornicators in Heaven. Its that there will not be any fornicators who would not acknowledge and repent of their sin.

We are warned to abstain from sexual immorality for our own protection and preservation. Lets not resist the Holy Spirit and bring shame on the Name of the Lord.

With love in Jesus, Daniel

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