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oneinchrist
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I have often seen brothers and sisters in the Lord disagree on issues in the past..........but I have never heard any of them refer to their fellow brothers/sisters as "you people". I have, in my experience, only heard that as a very derogatory remark towards other races and affliliations.
Cbou, if you have a point or points that you disagree with, I would like to ask you if you would
please explain away what you disagree with and why and then we can then continue on in our fellowship.
Just abruptly leaving with name calling and false accusations(such as that we must be parading our knowledge of the scriptures) is not going to get us anywhere.
With love in Jesus, Daniel
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cbou4668
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OK. You people are just too smart for me. Later
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oneinchrist
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Hi again cbou,
I hear what you are saying, but I am wondering if you are focusing too much on externals. What I mean by that is..........dont you think that it is Gods desire that others are drawn to Him through our changed lives/character? the inner change, inner character that expresses the self-less compassion of Jesus. It is true that that Jesus says that faith can move a mountain, but what does the bible say
about faith that is not bridled by humility and compassion? (please do not assume that I assume that your faith is without love)
God wants to reach others through us more by our inner change than by a huge outward demonstration of His power. Once again, not to say that God never chooses/or would never choose again to intervene in "natural disasters".
It is possible, but God would be doing it not just to display His power, but to ensure that His promise to Jesus that He will glorify Him(yet again) will be carried out.
With love in Jesus, Daniel
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Sorry Cbou, the NIV is NOT a word for word translation, it is a dynamic equivalency so you are taking a word not from the original and building a whole doctrine upon it.
These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 746
Original Word Word Origin
arce from (756)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Arche 1:479,81
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ar-khay' Noun Feminine
Definition
beginning, origin
the person or thing that commences, the first person or thing in a series, the leader
that by which anything begins to be, the origin, the active cause
the extremity of a thing
of the corners of a sail
the first place, principality, rule, magistracy
of angels and demons
NAS Word Usage - Total: 56
beginning 38, corners 2, domain 1, elementary 1, elementary* 1, first 1, first preaching 1, principalities 1, rule 4, rulers 6
Jesus is the Creator
John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
What you are teaching is a formula which will fall short just like so much of the Word of Faith teachings, that teach through positive confession to create our own reality.
Daily we as Believers should place our faith and trust in Christ and leave it entirely up to Him to bring us through storms and if it be His will to take us Home.
There is such a propensity within the Charismatic realm to take one word or passage of scripture and launch a whole new revelation which is contrary to the whole counsel of God. The context of each passage must be in unity with the whole of God's Word.
Romans 8:
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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A Servant of Christ,
Drew
1 Tim. 3:
16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..
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cbou4668
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Consider this. Christ proclaimed Himself to be Ruler of God's Creation in verse Revelation 3:14. At least it states it simply that way in the NIV Bible. If He proves that He will advert disasters with preventative prayer, isn't that saying that He has been here all along, just waiting for us to catch up? I know that the Sun shines on good and bad people alike, but it can improve.
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Didn't wish anything on any of you. Why should those that have Faith rely on disaster to generate Faith in unbelievers? Why shouldn't those that have Faith help those that lack Faith by using Faith in preventing disaster instead of straining those with Faith to suffer and those that don't have Faith to mock us with asking where our Faith is? Every plague in the Revelation can be reversed with acknowledging Christ Jesus the title that He proclaims Himself to be. The Ruler of God's Creation. Instead of saying "Lord, Lord", why not get right to the point and say "Lord Jesus, Ruler of God's Creation" I ask for mercy and forgiveness for my shortcomings and that you heal my brother and sister in your name. Bring us today our daily bread and protect us from hard testing. To God and you the glory.
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oneinchrist
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Hello again cbou,
You said:
Also, I don't need a weatherman to confirm a miracle, only Faith. I feel sorry for you souls, but maybe you need some disaster to happen to you to help you turn to God for Faith. Maybe the plague of 100 lb hail stones will help you or would you be one of the one's to curse God's name for such?
My response:
The reason why I choose to comment on this part of your response is because it is the part that makes
direct reference to my post.
I would like to make sure that you understand that
I know that I need to be very cautious not to carelessly debunk your claim because God can and does perform miracles. If God is leading you in this direction, then who am I to get in the way?
The bible states(not in these exact words) that the sun shines and the rain pours on both the good and evil. Knowing this, why would a brother in the Lord want to wish any sort of plague upon another brother? We will both continue to have our fair share of troubles in our lives that we will have to deal with and trust God through.
My belief is that if I am in God's will, then He will protect me until His work is finished. No sudden or unexpected death will come upon me as to halt/hinder Gods plan for my life. Do you also believe this?
With love in Jesus,
Daniel
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I'm sure it's obvious, at least to some, that I was talking about unbelievers coming to Christ.
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cbou4668
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I think you're messed up thinking that natural disasters are good. True, God says that he brings these things upon people because it causes them to turn to Him. But how much greater is it to have God and Christ ever present in your life as not to need the punishment of natural disaster. Also, I don't need a weatherman to confirm a miracle, only Faith. I feel sorry for you souls, but maybe you need some disaster to happen to you to help you turn to God for Faith. Maybe the plague of 100 lb hail stones will help you or would you be one of the one's to curse God's name for such?
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oneinchrist
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Hi again cbou,
You said:
I see that God's intervention in the natural disasters per our acknowledgement that Jesus is the Ruler of God's Creation as being evidence that Faith is the proof of His concern for the truth in our souls.
I am confused what you are saying in the above statement.......could you please explain it another way?
You also said:
I encounter those that have their own agenda of espousing how smart they are in the scripture, much like a Pharisee or those that will venture out onto the waters for a walk with Christ. Your choice.
I agree. We ought not to be just talkers, but walkers who live out our faith in Jesus.
With love in Jesus,
Daniel
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I think it's a mistake to assume that natural disasters are bad. From a human point of view they are terrible, but from God's point of view they are serving His purpose. Instead of asking God to stop doing what He has chosen to do, I pray that more and more people come to Christ.
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Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. earthquakes, hurricanes, and tsunamis?
Why does God allow earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, tsunamis, typhoons, cyclones, mudslides, and other natural disasters? Tragedies such as Hurricane Katrina in 2005, the 2008 cyclone in Myanmar, the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, and the 2011 earthquake/tsunami near Japan cause many people to question God’s goodness. It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed “acts of God” while no “credit” is given to God for years, decades, or even centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of the earth’s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an underwater earthquake.
The Bible proclaims that Jesus Christ holds all of nature together (Colossians 1:16-17). Could God prevent natural disasters? Absolutely! Does God sometimes influence the weather? Yes, as we see in Deuteronomy 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34 shows us that God sometimes causes natural disasters as a judgment against sin. The book of Revelation describes many events which could definitely be described as natural disasters (Revelation chapters 6, 8, and 16). Is every natural disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not.
In much the same way that God allows evil people to commit evil acts, God allows the earth to reflect the consequences sin has had on creation. Romans 8:19-21 tells us, “The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.” The fall of humanity into sin had effects on everything, including the world we inhabit. Everything in creation is subject to “frustration” and “decay.” Sin is the ultimate cause of natural disasters just as it is the cause of death, disease, and suffering.
We can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand is why God allows them to occur. Why did God allow the tsunami to kill over 225,000 people in Asia? Why did God allow Hurricane Katrina to destroy the homes of thousands of people? For one thing, such events shake our confidence in this life and force us to think about eternity. Churches are usually filled after disasters as people realize how tenuous their lives really are and how life can be taken away in an instant. What we do know is this: God is good! Many amazing miracles occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in aid is sent to help the people who are suffering. Christian ministries have the opportunity to help, minister, counsel, pray, and lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does, bring great good out of terrible tragedies (Romans 8:28).
http://www.gotquestions.org/natural-disasters.html
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I see that God's intervention in the natural disasters per our acknowledgement that Jesus is the Ruler of God's Creation as being evidence that Faith is the proof of His concern for the truth in our souls. Acknowledgement has always been the main concern of God in His relationship with man. No false idols. You can either panic and have Jesus scold you for lack of Faith or you can try and fulfill the requirement of having at least a mustard seeds worth of Faith. I encounter those that have their own agenda of espousing how smart they are in the scripture, much like a Pharisee or those that will venture out onto the waters for a walk with Christ. Your choice.
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Hello cbou,
While I respect your right to pray to God for whatever your heart desires, I do not think that preventing/stopping natural disasters would be on Gods priority list.
Since "lies" are so much more dangerous than "natural disasters" ......meaning that a natural disaster could only harm the body, but a lie can take a person to Hell........ it would likely be more profitable for us to pray that the Holy Spirit helps us bring down Satans strongholds and gives us more boldness to preach the truth in these last days of great deception.
Could God decide to answer a prayer to prevent natural disaster?........absolutely!... Dont stop praying because of my opinion. Although it does seem(at least to me) that it would be very difficult to prove that divine natural disaster intervention occurred unless the weather forecasters had absolutely no other way to explain away a particular weather pattern .
Overall, The point that I am trying to stress is that God is much more concerned about the soul than He is about the body.
With love in Jesus, Daniel
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I experienced an epiphany, in Spring of 2006 with the approaching hurricane season, while reading the verse Revelation 3:14 NIV Bible. In that version of the Bible, Jesus simply says that He is the ruler of God's creation. I proposed this on the Bell South Christian Message board that acknowledging to Christ Jesus, such should yield a less volatile hurricane season. I believed that praying down the hurricanes was possible with this acknowledgement. I am one that believes in preventative prayer as well as prayer for sustained Faith after disaster. Preventative prayer works and is a way to prove to nonbelievers that Faith in Christ Jesus is strong. What was it that Jesus said to the Disciples when they, in a panic, woke Him up in a boat on a lake while a storm had come up causing them to believe they were going to sink. What did He say? Well for the years since 2006, I have sought out a form of media that I could communicate this blessing of acknowledging Jesus as the Ruler of God's Creation for subduing hurricane seasons. I live in Florida and we haven't had a hurricane in 5 years. I believe the best results came as a result of a paragraph in a half page ad that I ran in the Florida Today Newspaper in May of 2009. I have been fervently seeking more believers through the social media on the internet to do exactly what I am proposing, acknowledging to Jesus that I accept Him as the Ruler of God's Creation, to thwart hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunami, the oil spill disaster, floods, drought, terrorism, etc. The sky is the limit for preventative prayer. The drought in Texas and the heatwave in the nation has not been prayed down yet. More believers need to be awakened and let's do this. We can all acknowledge to Jesus that we know He is Creation's ruler, Revelation 3:14 and Psalm 8:3-6. I read the NIV Bible. Do this for your neighbors. Do this for your family. Do this for yourselves. IT WORKS!!! Praise Jesus and bring Glory to God the Creator.
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