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Christ does not have to wait until a sinner He died for is born a sinner to intercede for him or her, no more so as he had to wait to die for their sins they were going to commit after they were born.
I no now for a certain that what is being dealt with here is a un-saved person.
For the Word of God gives an age of accountability.
http://www.americaisraelprophecy.com/theageofaccountability.html
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All those Christ died for, and now Intercedes for, all there sins have been purged already. They were purged by Him and then He sat down at the Right Hand of God to make intercession for them. For the Father's Justice has been appeased in their regard. Heb 1:3
3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
The word purged here is the greek word katharismos and means:
a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ
All the guilt legally before God, for all those Christ died for and now Intercedes for, all that guilt has been taken away by Christ.
Now Christ died over 2000 yrs ago, for sinners who at that time were not yet born, like sinners in the 1800's, the 1900's and so forth. However, if they were of those Christ died for over 2000 yrs ago, their sins have already been expiated by the sacrifice of Christ on their behalf, and Christ is interceding for them to experience the benefit of that expiation of not having any legal guilt laid to their Charge.
Heb 7:25
25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them .
Christ does not have to wait until a sinner He died for is born a sinner to intercede for him or her, no more so as he had to wait to die for their sins they were going to commit after they were born.
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[Now is proserchomai a type of hot dog relish?
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You do believe in the Holy Kiss? [/QB]
I am afraid that Darryl is not serving the kosher proserchomai, which renders da hot dog unpalatable.
He needs to drop the lone wolf prophet/teacher personae and get into fellowship and be willing to sit under Godly teaching. This way Darryl could learn God's Word and the context of the Word as a whole. He could get back in the same ballpark with the Brethren.
Just think Darryl, if you had your theology straight, you could be warmly received into fellowship, rather than being rejected time and again, for your errors.
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Jesus intercession in heaven is for everyone that He died for and rose again, is that He by the Holy Spirit will live in them, thats the New Birth or some call regeneration. So regeneration or the New Birth is a result of Christ intercession work for all He died for, and that causes one to come to God by Him. Heb 7:25
25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him , seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
The Key here is that they come to God BY Him, not by their freewill, but by the intercession of Christ.
We read in Heb 11:
6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
The same greek word for come proserchomai is used in Heb 7:25.
This gives us to understand, that this kind of coming to God in Faith is a result of the work of and intercession of Christ.
So, all those Christ died for, and intercedes for, shall come to God in Faith and repentance, by Christ !
Now is proserchomai a type of hot dog relish?
You do believe in the Holy Kiss?
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In case people do not realize it, Jesus Christ intercedes for everyone He loved and died for.
Mom these ELECT DON"T PLAY FAIR!
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Repent of your sillyness and join us at the camp fire here.
We eat weed seed, yum!
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Jesus intercession in heaven is for everyone that He died for and rose again, is that He by the Holy Spirit will live in them, thats the New Birth or some call regeneration. So regeneration or the New Birth is a result of Christ intercession work for all He died for, and that causes one to come to God by Him. Heb 7:25
25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him , seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
The Key here is that they come to God BY Him, not by their freewill, but by the intercession of Christ.
We read in Heb 11:
6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
The same greek word for come proserchomai is used in Heb 7:25.
This gives us to understand, that this kind of coming to God in Faith is a result of the work of and intercession of Christ.
So, all those Christ died for, and intercedes for, shall come to God in Faith and repentance, by Christ !
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He demands for them a new life.
The Commandments of Jesus
The commandments of Jesus must not be confused with the the Old testament Law. Jesus's New Testament Commandments are not to be obeyed/observed as a way to reach Heaven, but as an act of obedience, love, and reverence for our Saviour, and because He said, "If ye love me, keep my commandments " (John 14:15, KJV).
Some believe that since salvation is free and available only by the grace of Jesus, that it is inappropriate to suggest that Jesus had any commandments. The bible makes it very clear that Faith in Jesus is the only way to be born again and go to Heaven.
Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" (John 14:5-7). Our salvation is free and only available through faith in Jesus.
Although these Commandments are not numbered in numerical order, as are the Ten Commandments in the Old Testament, most Bible Scholars agree that they are most assuredly the Commandments of Jesus.
As we study the following Scripture it will also become very clear, that God is not only the God of Grace, He is also the God of expectations.
"The Greatest Commandment"
Jesus was asked: "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. Matt 22:36-40 (Amp)
"The Golden Rule"
So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets. ((Matthew 7:12 NIV)
The Following 38 Commandments are From the Four Gospels
1. "When you stand praying, forgive":
25And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins." But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father who is in heaven forgive your sins. (Mark 11:25-26 NIV)
2. "You must be born again"
7You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.' (John 3:7 KJV)
3. "Remain in Me and I will remain in you"
When you ask Jesus into your heart and He becomes your Lord and Saviour, the Holy Spirit actually lives in you, and you in Him. Here Jesus uses a grape vine to compare our relationship with Him. "Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.(John NIV)
4. "Let your light shine before men"
"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. " In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven. (John 5:14;16 NIV)
5. "Settle matters quickly with your adversary"
"Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still with him on the way, or he may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison."(Matthew 5:25 NIV)
6. "Get rid of whatever causes you to sin"
"29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell."(Matthew 5:29-30 NIV)
7. "Do Not Swear at All"
"But I tell you, Do not swear at all: either by heaven, for it is God's throne; 35or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. 36And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. 37Simply let your 'Yes' be 'Yes,' and your 'No,' 'No'; anything beyond this comes from the evil one."(Matthew 5:34-37 KJV)
8. "Do Not Resist an Evil Person" (Turning the other cheek.)
"You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'[a] 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:38-39 NIV)
9. "Giving More than is Demanded" (Going the extra mile)
"And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (Matthew 5:40-42 NIV)
10. "Love Your Enemies"
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous." (Matthew 5:43-45 NIV)
11. "Give to Please God, Not to be Seen"
"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven." (Matthew 6:1 NIV)
12. "Pray Privately, Not to be Seen of Men"
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words." (Matthew 6:5-7 NIV)
13. "This, then, is how you should pray"
"This, then, is how you should pray: " 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, 10your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. 11Give us today our daily bread. 12Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.' 14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Matthew 6:9-15 NIV)
14. "Fast Without Fanfare"
"When you fast, do not look somber as the hypocrites do, for they disfigure their faces to show men they are fasting. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.(Matthew 6:16 NIV)
15. "Do not Store up Treasures on Earth"
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moth and rust do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also. (Matthew 6:19-21 NIV)
16. "Do not Worry about Your Needs"
"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? (Matthew 6:25-26 NIV) Commandments of Jesus
17. "Do not Worry about Tomorrow"
"Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." (Matthew 6:34 NIV)
18. "Place God First"
"But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." (Matthew 6:33 NIV)
19. "Do not Judge"
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." (Matthew 7:1-2 NIV)
20. "Guard what is Sacred"
"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." (Matthew 7:6 NIV)
21. "Ask, Seek, and Knock"
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. (Matthew 7:7 NIV)
22. "Care for Those in Distress"
"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. (Matthew 25:34-36 NIV)
23. "Enter Through the Narrow Gate"
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.(Matthew 7:13-14 NIV)
24. "Watch out for false prophets"
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves." (Matthew 7:15 NIV)
25. "Exercise Spiritual Power"
He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil spirits and to heal every disease and sickness." (Matthew 10:1 NIV) -"Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received, freely give." (Matthew 10:8 NIV)
26. "Do not Despise Childlike Believers"
"See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven." (Matthew 18:10 NIV) Commandments of Jesus
27. "Do not Exalt Yourself"
"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.[a] 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.(Matthew 23:8-12 NIV)
28. "Settle Disputes Between Believers in this Manner..."
"If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. 16But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' 17If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.(Matthew 18:15-17 NIV)
29. "Do not Oppose Other Christian Groups"
"Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
39"Do not stop him,"
Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40for whoever is not against us is for us. (Mark 9:38-40 NIV)
30. "Have Complete Faith in God"
"Have faith in God," Jesus answered. 23"I tell you the truth, if anyone says to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it will be done for him. 24Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. (Mark 11:22-24 NIV)
31. "Do as the Good Samaritan Did"
"The expert in the law replied, 'The one who had mercy on him.'" Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise." (Luke 10:37 NIV) (In reference to the "Good Samaritan") (See Luke 10:30-35)
32. "Love One Another" (This commandment summarizes all the others.)
"My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you." (John 15:12 KJV)
33. "Do this in Remembrance of Me"
"And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, 'This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me.'"
20"In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, 'This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.'" (Luke 22:19-20 NIV)
34. "You Should also Wash One Another's Feet"
"Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another's feet." (John 13:14 NIV)
35. "Be Merciful"
"Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful." (Luke 6:36 NIV)
36. "Go and Make Disciples of All Nations, Baptizing Them"
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." (Matthew 28:19-20 NIV)
37. "Obey What I Command"
"If you love me, you will obey what I command." (John 14:15 NIV)
38. "You Must be Ready"
"You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him." (Luke 12:40 NIV)
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So Christ, having died for His elect, canceling out any debt they had to the Law of God, having received full forgiveness of their sins, He being in heaven interceding for them, He demands for them a new life. He intercedes for their New Birth, Himself Living in them. Jesus prays for that here John 17:
20Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them , and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
The I in them, is that Christ in you the Hope of Glory as per Col 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
All those Christ died for, whom He is now interceding for, shall have Christ in them the Hope of Glory, That is an aspect of their new birth by the Spirit of God.
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Jesus used the image of a seed to illustrate the great spiritual truth that there can be no glory without suffering, no fruitful life without death, no victory without surrender. Of itself, a seed is weak and useless; but when it is planted, it “dies” and becomes fruitful. There is both beauty and bounty when a seed “dies” and fulfills its purpose. If a seed could talk, it would no doubt complain about being put into the cold, dark earth. But the only way it can achieve its goal is by being planted.
God’s children are like seeds. They are small and insignificant, but they have life in them, God’s life. However, that life can never be fulfilled unless we yield ourselves to God and permit Him to “plant us.” We must die to self so that we may live unto God (Rom. 6; Gal. 2:20). The only way to have a fruitful life is to follow Jesus Christ in death, burial, and resurrection.
In these words, Jesus challenges us today to surrender our lives to Him. Note the contrasts: loneliness or fruitfulness; losing your life or keeping your life; serving self or serving Christ; pleasing self or receiving God’s honor.
The illustration of a field reminds us of our Lord’s Parable of the Sower (Matt. 13:1-9, 18-23), as well as Paul’s teaching about the fire testing our works (1 Cor. 3:6-23). A field proves its worth by bearing fruit; and a true believer, as he makes spiritual progress, bears fruit for God’s glory. Note that the “thorns and briars” are burned, not the field. God never curses His own!
The crop of God’s blessing pictured in Hebrews 6:7 is called “things that accompany salvation” in Hebrews 6:9. Not every believer bears the same amount of fruit (“some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty,” Matt. 13:23); but every believer bears the same kind of fruit as proof that he is a child of God (Matt. 7:15-20). This is the fruit of Christian character and conduct (Gal. 5:22-26) produced by the Spirit as we mature in Christ.
The writer listed some of the fruit that he knew had been produced in their lives (Heb. 6:10): because of their love, they had worked and labored for the Lord; they had ministered to other saints; and they were still ministering (see 1 Thes. 1:3-10; Rev. 2:2). These are some of the “things that accompany salvation.”
But he was concerned lest they rest on their achievements and not press on to full maturity and the enjoyment of God’s rich inheritance.
This progress demands diligent effort.
While it is true that it is God who “carries us along” to maturity (Heb. 6:1, 3), it is also true that the believer must do his part. We must not be lazy (“slothful,” the same word as “dull” in Heb. 5:11) but apply ourselves to the spiritual resources God has given us. We have the promises from God. We should exercise faith and patience and claim these promises for ourselves! Like Caleb and Joshua, we must believe God’s promise and want to go in and claim the land!
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The Lord Jesus Christ died for ALL.
So you Dont believe that Christ's death demands fruit, results for those He died for ?
Scripture says if the corn of wheat fall into the ground and die [speaking of Christ] it bringeth forth much fruit. The word fruit in the greek is the word karpos and means:
that which originates or comes from something, an effect, result
the fruit of one's loins, i.e. his progeny, his posterity
Christ death produces results, offspring.
Do you believe ?
Christ died for ALL. Not ALL will receive the propitiation, the declaration that when we choose to receive Christ we are declared NOT GUILTY for then we are clothed in the righteousness of Christ, washed clean by the Blood of the Lamb.
It is by the spirit of adoption that we cry ABBA:
Romans 8:
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
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The Lord Jesus Christ died for ALL.
So you Dont believe that Christ's death demands fruit, results for those He died for ?
Scripture says if the corn of wheat fall into the ground and die [speaking of Christ] it bringeth forth much fruit. The word fruit in the greek is the word karpos and means:
that which originates or comes from something, an effect, result
the fruit of one's loins, i.e. his progeny, his posterity
Christ death produces results, offspring.
Do you believe ?
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The Lord Jesus Christ, His Intercession for all those He died for, is that of Life, that they may receive Life from the dead, because of what His death accomplished for them He died for, His death demands it's results and fruit. Jn 12:24,33
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
He was speaking of His death :vs33
33This he said, signifying what death he should die.
The Lord Jesus Christ died for ALL.
His propitiation must be received by those who choose Christ and eternal life. Those who choose to reject Christ stand condemned already.
John 3:
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Romans 10:
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
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The Lord Jesus Christ, His Intercession for all those He died for, is that of Life, that they may receive Life from the dead, because of what His death accomplished for them He died for, His death demands it's results and fruit. Jn 12:24,33
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
He was speaking of His death :vs33
33This he said, signifying what death he should die.
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He intercedes for those who draw near to God through Him. (Hebrews 7:25)
He died for all people.
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have [desires] all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time" (1 Timothy 2:3-6)
"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Hebrews 2:9).
"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2:2).
He died for ALL (1 Tim. 2:6).
He died for ALL MEN (Rom. 5:18; 1 Tim. 4:10).
He died for US ALL, for ALL OF US (Isa. 53:6).
He died for the UNGODLY (Rom. 5:6).
He died for CHRIST-DENIERS (2 Peter 2:1).
He died for SINNERS (Rom. 5:8).
He died for EVERY MAN (Heb. 2:9).
He died for MANY (Matthew 20:28).
He died for the WORLD (John 6:33,51; John 1:29 and John 3:16).
He died for the WHOLE WORLD (1 John 2:2).
He died for the WHOLE NATION of Israel (John 11:50-51).
He died for the CHURCH (Eph. 5:25).
He died for His SHEEP (John 10:11).
He died for ME (Gal. 2:20).
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I did not think you would answer it, but the Jesus Christ I serve, intercedes in behalf of all those He died for. And His intercession for them ensures they are converted unto God.
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After you answer the questions you were asked. All of them.
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The Jesus Christ I serve, intercedes in behalf of all that He died for. Does the Jesus you believe in do that ?
A simple yes or no will do !
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Our Lord Jesus Christ is the same Lord.
Our beliefs about election are different.
Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. (Hebrews 7:25)
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He intercedes for those who draw near to God through Him.
The Jesus Christ I serve, intercedes in behalf of all that He died for.
Does the Jesus you believe in do that ?
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He intercedes for those who draw near to God through Him. (Hebrews 7:25)
He died for all people.
"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have [desires] all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time" (1 Timothy 2:3-6)
"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man" (Hebrews 2:9).
"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2:2).
He died for ALL (1 Tim. 2:6).
He died for ALL MEN (Rom. 5:18; 1 Tim. 4:10).
He died for US ALL, for ALL OF US (Isa. 53:6).
He died for the UNGODLY (Rom. 5:6).
He died for CHRIST-DENIERS (2 Peter 2:1).
He died for SINNERS (Rom. 5:8).
He died for EVERY MAN (Heb. 2:9).
He died for MANY (Matthew 20:28).
He died for the WORLD (John 6:33,51; John 1:29 and John 3:16).
He died for the WHOLE WORLD (1 John 2:2).
He died for the WHOLE NATION of Israel (John 11:50-51).
He died for the CHURCH (Eph. 5:25).
He died for His SHEEP (John 10:11).
He died for ME (Gal. 2:20).
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In case people do not realize it, Jesus Christ intercedes for everyone He loved and died for.
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What is the purpose of Jesus interceding for us in Heaven?
Speaking of Jesus, the writer to the Hebrews says, “Therefore He is able also to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them” (Hebrews 7:25). This verse (and others like it) tells us that although Christ’s work to secure the salvation of believers was completed on the cross, as evidenced by His cry “It is finished!” (John 19:30), His care for His redeemed children will never be finished.
Jesus did not go to heaven after His earthly ministry and ‘take a break’ from His role as eternal Shepherd to His people. “For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life” (Romans 5:10 emphasis added). If when humble, despised, dying, and dead, He had the power to accomplish so great a work as reconciling us to God, how much more may we expect that He will be able to keep us now that He is a living, exalted, and triumphant Redeemer, raised to life and interceding on our behalf before the throne (Romans 8:34). Clearly Jesus is still very active on our behalf in heaven.
After Jesus ascended to heaven and was seated at the right hand of God the Father (Acts 1:9; Colossians 3:1), He returned to the glory He had before His incarnation (John 17:5) to carry on His role of King of kings and Lord of lords—His eternal role as the second Person of the triune God. While this old earth continues to be “won” for Christ, Jesus is the Advocate for Christians, meaning He is our great Defender. This is the intercessory role He currently fulfills for those who are His (1 John 2:1). Jesus is always pleading our case before the Father, like a defense lawyer on our behalf.
Jesus is interceding for us while Satan (whose name means “accuser”) is doing that very thing, accusing us, pointing out our sins and frailties before God, just as he did with Job (Job 1:6-12). But the accusations fall upon deaf ears in heaven, because Jesus’ work on the cross completely paid our sin debt in full; therefore, God always sees in His children the perfect righteousness of Jesus. When Jesus died on the cross, His righteousness (perfect holiness) was imputed to us, while our sin was imputed to Him at His death. This is the great exchange Paul talks about in 2 Corinthians 5:21. That took away forever our sinful state before God, so God can accept us as blameless before Him.
Finally, it is important to understand that Jesus is the only mediator between God and man. No one else—not Mary, not any previous Christian saints, not angels—has the power to intercede for us before the throne of the Almighty. Christ alone mediates and intercedes between God and man. “For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5).
http://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-interceding.html
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How is it possible that some can conceive who make a profession of Faith in Christ, that His intercession for those He died for would fail in ensuring that all He died for are converted to God by Him ? Heb 7:25
Sounds like a salvation /eternal security issue to me.
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I don't know who you're referring to. I do know that WildB and I both believe in Eternal Security for the true believer.
I am not discussing the eternal security of the believer, This is regards to Christ Intercession of those He died for. Rom 8:34
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
The Christ I know makes intercession for those He died for before they ever became believers.
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How do you know your a US?
This thread is not about me, but what Christ and what He accomplishes by His intercession. Stay focused in Christ !
If its not about YOU then why is the handle beloved57 all over the internet world?
No I would say its about you and your human pride.
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I don't know who you're referring to. I do know that WildB and I both believe in Eternal Security for the true believer.
Why won't you answer my question?
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How is it possible that some can conceive who make a profession of Faith in Christ, that His intercession for those He died for would fail in ensuring that all He died for are converted to God by Him ? Heb 7:25
25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
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How do you know your a US?
This thread is not about me, but what Christ and what He accomplishes by His intercession. Stay focused in Christ !
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Did God change Jacob's heart?
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I just cannot begin to believe, that any Jesus Christ makes Intercession for can perish in their sins.
Rom 8:
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
How do you know your a US?
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I just cannot begin to believe, that any Jesus Christ makes Intercession for can perish in their sins.
Rom 8:
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
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The Holy Spirit works in conjunction with the Intercession of Christ, and He applies the blood to each elect individual Christ died for and is now interceding in behalf of. 1 Pet 1:
2Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
The sprinkling is an application of the benefits of the blood of Christ by Jesus Christ, He gives Life to the dead elect sinner, because Life is in the blood. So the Holy Spirit communicates Life to all the elect of God, Christ intercession ensures that as well.
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The baseball fans can't hear THE BLOOD in your postings?
It is there, The blood is synonymous with His Death, Did you see where I stated " The benefits of His Death ?
When I quoted Rom 8:34, That it is Christ that died ! Thats the blood.
Paul does not always mention blood when speaking of the Death of Christ, because it should be already known that His blood and Death mean the same.
In Rom 5:10 Paul says the elect are reconciled by the death of God's Son Rom 5:
10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son , much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Now, His death in vs 10 is the same as His blood in vs 9
9Much more then, being now justified by his blood , we shall be saved from wrath through him.
So, I see no validity in your comment except to be an adversary to the Truth.
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Amen WildB
The word “covenant” not only means “an agreement,” but it also carries the idea of “a last will and testament.” If a man writes his will, that will is not in force until he dies. It was necessary for Jesus Christ to die so that the terms of the New Covenant might be enforced. “This cup is the new testament [covenant, will] in My blood, which is shed for you” (Luke 22:20).
Even the Old Covenant was established on the basis of blood. Hebrews 9:19-21 is taken from Exodus 24:3-8, the account of the ratifying of the Old Covenant by Moses and the people of Israel. The book of the Law was sprinkled with blood, and so were the people and the tabernacle and its furnishings. It must have been a solemn occasion.
Not only was blood used at the beginning of the ministry of the Old Covenant, but it was used in the regular administration of the tabernacle service. Under the Old Covenant, people and objects were purified by blood, water, or fire (Num. 31:21-24). This was, of course, ceremonial purification; it meant that the persons and objects were now acceptable to God. The purification did not alter the nature of the person or object. God’s principle is that blood must be shed before sin can be forgiven (Lev. 17:11).
Since God has ordained that remission of sins is through the shedding of blood, and since purification comes through the sprinkling of blood, it is necessary that blood be shed and applied if the New Covenant is to be in force. The “patterns” (the Old Covenant tabernacle) were purified by the sprinkling of the blood. But the “originals” were also purified! The blood of Jesus Christ not only purifies the conscience of the believer (Heb. 9:14), but also purified the “heavenly things” (Heb. 9:23, NASB).
How could the heavenly sanctuary ever become defiled? We can understand how the earthly sanctuary could be defiled since it was used by sinful men. Each year, on the great Day of Atonement, the tabernacle was purified through the sprinkling of blood (Lev. 16:12-19). But how could a heavenly sanctuary ever become defiled? Certainly nothing in heaven is defiled in a literal sense, for sin cannot pollute the sanctuary of God. But, for that matter, nothing in the earthly tabernacle was literally defiled by sin. It all had to do with people’s relationships to God. The blood sprinkled on a piece of furniture did not change the nature of that piece, but it changed God’s relationship to it. God could enter into communion with people because of the sprinkled blood.
Through Jesus Christ, we who are sinners can enter into the holy of holies in the heavenly sanctuary (Heb. 10:19-22). Physically, of course, we are on earth; but spiritually, we are communing with God in the heavenly holy of holies. In order for God to receive us into this heavenly fellowship, the blood of Jesus Christ had to be applied. We enter into God’s presence “by the blood of Jesus” (Heb. 10:19).
Intercession is important too.
A dual intercession keeps the believer secure in Christ: the Spirit intercedes (Rom. 8:26-27) and the Son of God intercedes (Rom. 8:34). The same Saviour who died for us is now interceding for us in heaven. As our High Priest, He can give us the grace we need to overcome temptation and defeat the enemy (Heb. 4:14-16). As our Advocate, He can forgive our sins and restore our fellowship with God (1 John 1:9-2:2). Intercession means that Jesus Christ represents us before the throne of God and we do not have to represent ourselves.
Paul hinted at this ministry of intercession in Romans 5:9-10. We are not only saved by His death, but we are also saved by His life. “Therefore He is able to save completely those who come to God through Him, because He always lives to intercede for them” (Heb. 7:25, NIV). Peter sinned against the Lord, but he was forgiven and restored to fellowship because of Jesus Christ. “Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith may not fail." (Luke 22:31-32, NASB). He is interceding for each of us, a ministry that assures us that we are secure.
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Jesus is the Surety in Heaven for all those He died and arose, for His Intercession ensures that they come to God [ In Faith and Repentance], so they come by Him. Heb 7:25
25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, [U]seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them[/U].
This is Christ's work of Application to those He died for, He brings them back to God as per 1 Pet 3:18
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Thats a benefit of His death, the just for the unjust, it actually brings them to God, not make it possible, or gives them a chance at it, but brings them to God in Faith and Repentance. Thank God for Christ Intercession in heaven.
The baseball fans can't hear THE BLOOD in your postings?
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Jesus is the Surety in Heaven for all those He died and arose, for His Intercession ensures that they come to God [ In Faith and Repentance], so they come by Him. Heb 7:25
25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, [U]seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them[/U].
This is Christ's work of Application to those He died for, He brings them back to God as per 1 Pet 3:18
18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Thats a benefit of His death, the just for the unjust, it actually brings them to God, not make it possible, or gives them a chance at it, but brings them to God in Faith and Repentance. Thank God for Christ Intercession in heaven.
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"The application of Salvation to those Christ died for is accomplished by His Living Intercession for them, not because of their freewill or anything conditionally they themselves performed."
Not biblical! Wheres the blood!
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Rom 8:33-34
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Now who is Christ Interceding for ? Why it is for the Elect for which He died, and Justified.
Now, When Christ died in 33 ad, and ascended into Heaven and took His seat at the Right Hand of God, He is there to make intercession for all that He died, even those Chosen ones who had not been born physically yet.
But what means this Intercession of Christ for those He died ?
Remember this word was used in the OT as well in regards to Christ and His work of the Cross Isa 53:12.
It is to assail one with petition as in the case of Ruth 1:16; Its used in its unfavorable sense here Jer 7:16
What is Jesus Christ interceding for in regards of those He died for, those whose sins were laid upon His Charge?
In this intercession to the Father, Christ prevails in Having all the Benefits of His death, of the New Covenant, having all its benefits communicated to all He died for.
Hence these men and women will spiritually come to God[by Him] because He lives to make Intercession for them. Heb 7:25
25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
I cannot imagine of any not coming to God [ In Repentance Acts 20:21] or Conversion , whom Christ is now living to make intercession for.
If any fail to come to God[in repentance] by Him for whom He intercedes for, Then His Intercession is not effectual.
The application of Salvation to those Christ died for is accomplished by His Living Intercession for them, not because of their freewill or anything conditionally they themselves performed.
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