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WildB
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Originally posted by becauseHElives:
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The grace dispensation did not change the gospel or the means of salvation
I agree ....the Bearen Bible Society don't
Originally posted by becauseHElives:
"I will never agree there are 2 Gospels....
unity of Spirit is never meant to agree on false teaching as blatant as the Bearen Bible Society...."
THEN,
Please explain this. (1cg - 2ucg = G)and (G-2ucg=1cg) = 2 g not > than G
Galations 2:
7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
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The grace dispensation did not change the gospel or the means of salvation
I agree ....the Bearen Bible Society don't
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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )
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Originally posted by becauseHElives:
I stand in defense of Truth....Grace is the message from Genesis to Revelation....not just the message of the Apostle Paul....
but Grace is not a license to sin.....
“For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. It teaches us to say ‘No’ to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good” (Titus 2:11-14).
What I stand opposed to is the Bearen Bible Society's false teaching that Paul had a different Gospel to that of Jesus, James, John, Matthew, Mark, Luke...
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http://agbsf.com/articles/Rightly-Dividing-Pauls-Epistles
The grace dispensation did not change the gospel or the means of salvation, nor did it create another church. What it did was bring together the Acts congregations that had been formed by the preaching of the gospel of Christ, who were under ordinances (Ref. 1 Cor. 11:2), with the post-Acts congregations who were not, into one fellowship (“the fellowship of the mystery” - Eph. 3:9), the “one new man” of Eph.esians 2:15. This could only be accomplished by doing away with the ordinances, i.e., everything that had been associated with Israel, including divine healing, tongues, words of knowledge, prophecies, feasts, ceremonials, Sabbaths, etc.
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Drew
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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..
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becauseHElives
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I stand in defense of Truth....Grace is the message from Genesis to Revelation....not just the message of the Apostle Paul....
but Grace is not a license to sin.....
“For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. It teaches us to say ‘No’ to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good” (Titus 2:11-14).
What I stand opposed to is the Bearen Bible Society's false teaching that Paul had a different Gospel to that of Jesus, James, John, Matthew, Mark, Luke...
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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )
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WildB
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Originally posted by becauseHElives:
Cornelius R. Stam knows enough of the truth to sound very authentic but none of this addresses his false teaching that the Apostle Paul teaches "another Gospel " one which is different from Jesus, Peter, James, John, Matthew, Mark, Luke .....
until these false teachers are silenced ...I will not be silent in exposing their lie....
More dead fish dragging I seeith,
And the "legalistic crowd" knows only their truth.
The other gospel that Paul teaches about "another Gospel" is legalistic and contrary to the GRACE of God.
Seeing that you have fallen from GRACE you should turn in your Moderator wings son.
You are no longer standing in defence of the Gospel of Grace but are only a promoter and protector of that "other gospel" that you falsely accuse others of.
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Cornelius R. Stam knows enough of the truth to sound very authentic but none of this addresses his false teaching that the Apostle Paul teaches "another Gospel " one which is different from Jesus, Peter, James, John, Matthew, Mark, Luke .....
until these false teachers are silenced ...I will not be silent in exposing their lie....
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Amen Bro. WB!!!
The Lord Jesus Christ gave us His precious Gospel and Brother Paul reiterated:
Isaiah 53:
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
John 3:
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Romans 10:
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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Drew
1 Tim. 3:
16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..
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Lets read what some have to say of this post after pray-fully reading without dragging a dead fish.
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Lets see what that "other legalistic gospel" crowd has to comment on this?
by Cornelius R. Stam
"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?" (Rom.8:35).
There have been individuals who thought the doctrine of the believer's eternal security in Christ to be a dangerous heresy. They countered every Scripture on the subject with another to refute it. But in each of these cases it was this great truth, "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ", that finally persuaded them.
It is significant that the Apostle Paul never tells us about his love for Christ, but he is always telling us about Christ's love for him and for others! The Law commands: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God", but grace puts it the other way, telling us how deeply God loves us -- and this begets love in return. The Apostle experienced discouragements that would have caused him to give up the work of the Lord a thousand times, but he could not. Why? He says, "the love of Christ constraineth us?" (II Cor. 5:14); it bore him along like a strong tide. No doubt he had this very thing in mind when he continued writing in Romans 8.
"For Thy sake we are killed all the day long...accounted as sheep for the slaughter" (Ver.36).
And therefore defeated? Far from it!
"Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him that loved us" (Ver.37).
Not only do we win the battle; we are "more than conquerors", for these adversities serve to draw us into still closer fellowship with Him, thus enriching our Christian experience.
When people or nations engage in battle, generally no one wins; both lose. But Paul's personal experience serves as the foremost example that in the Christian life, "tribulation, distress, persecution, famine, nakedness, peril [and] sword" bring us more than victory when borne for Him who loved us.
Thus this great chapter opens with "no condemnation" and closes with "no separation", and the Apostle, gathering all the forces of creation together, whether they be time, space, or matter, declares that none of them can separate us from "the love of God, which is [manifested] in Christ Jesus" (Vers.38,39). Whether it be death or life, heavenly principalities, things present or things to come, height or depth or any other created thing -- none of them, nor all together -- can threaten our security or separate us from the love of God, which He has manifested to us in Christ Jesus.
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