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Michael Z
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We really need to be preemptive on this matter as a church. Staying away from inappropriate imagery is not just for kids. Young adults, especially young single men, are satan's easiest target. These young men leave home, have complete freedom, and can have their thoughts and desires corrupted within weeks of leaving home. This is a war, a spiritual war - we need to look at it that way. In a physical war, you would not send a lone unarmed soldier alone against a vast enemy army - we provide them weapons and the support of other soldiers.
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John Hale
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Most Christians don't want to hear this kind of teaching. We want cheap grace, eternal fire insurance. Responsibility-free faith. No Lord submission. Pass the buck belief. Free ride faith.
Jesus said count the cost... what cost? most Christians would ask...
Luke 14:26-35 (KJV)
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Matthew 5:13-17 (KJV)
13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Ephesians 2:8-10 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus UNTO good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Matthew 7:1-5 (KJV)
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.
Not only do we have a beam in our eye, lost our savour, and do no good works... but we have allowed the evil world to dictate to us how to acts and think and dress and talk...
The sinful world has become the evil seasoning to us... trampled under the feet of mankind...
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John Hale
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Yes. But that is the extreme of the world (who has no reason for restraint) carrying on because we (who do have God's Word as our reason for restraint) we do not abide by the Word of God.
That is why our guilt (which is smaller by human standards) is actually the log in our eye, while the guilt of the unchurched (which is greater by human standards) is the speck in their eye according to God's Word.
We have the truth. They do not. If we who have the truth abided by the truth, then those who do not have the truth would have had a reason to show restraint because of our good example.
Our example... even if modest by the world's standards... has been a very bad example. We are the ambassadors for truth, for Christ, for God. And when we sin it testifies to the world that God doesn't matter much... that Jesus doesn't matter much... that truth is just someone's opinion.
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Betty Louise
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If you want to see people dressed inappropriate then check out the gay pride parade in San Fransisco. Men working around in front of children with the backsides uncovered with dog collars on their necks being led like dogs in the street. Any other man dressing like that in front of children would be arrested for exposing themselves to children.
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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John Hale
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Great.
But I was going to say you left out the scantily clad people on the streets and at the office etc. But you did mention them somewhat towards the end.
The things people kid about at work or are serious about... oy!
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Michael Z
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You are quite right on this issue. The frog is at a rapid boil now. I think the internet has had a lot to do with turning up the heat. If TV was satan's machine gun, the Internet is satan's H-bomb. And with all the racy stuff on the web, TV seems quite tame so advertisers and programmers have speeded things up because the public is so desensitized. It is far too easy to access porn while on the internet. With my own boys, I am going to talk them into getting another believer to keep them accountable on the internet, TV, and other places, when they leave home.
As a church we need to be proactive on this whole issue. The Lord gave me a vision this very morning of a Steel on Steel program. This is where young men ready to leave home form an accountability relationship with another believer BEFORE they, their families, and their spiritual lives get all messed up with porn. There are programs out their that would allow this: Covenant Eyes, at a few dollars a month, is one good program. Bsecure, at a $60 one-time fee is another. And besides the internet, the young man needs to be held accountable on movies, TV, magazines, etc. But the internet is the real killer. For an old geezer like me, it is easy - I see young woman as my daughters, and I am a tired old man. But for young 18-year old men, it is very very difficult. It is no wonder we are seeing churches become luke-warm.
All too often these kind of accountability programs only happen after the wife has moved out and is on the verge of filing for divorce.
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John Hale
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Watching morning television has become a challenge to gather news without seeing up someone's skirt.
I am as normal as the next guy with the physical appetites but I've learned the wisdom of not indulging things that are sin, lead to sin, or I cannot have (even if it were not a sin)...
...or that would jeopardize what I do have and want to continue having...
And if I were teaching a male prep class on how to swim through the cesspool society has become I'd teach it pretty much the way I stated it above.
So I find a news reporter who does not show skin but have to put up with flirtatious banter between her and the weather guy who mentions something about her streaking a football game.
Extremely tame compared to what's out there today... and hardly a blip on my radar screen... BUT it was heterosexual misconduct, inappropriate, and would not have been tolerated not so many years ago.
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John Hale
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We point the finger at homosexuality or the wide range of perversity... but all too easily we overlook or excuse heterosexual misconduct.
Boys will be boys and girls will be girls... (the book of 2 Opinions Chapter 2... is not in the Bible).
Chivalry came closest to the ideal biblical model. Safeguarding against the baser side of human sexuality. We are sexual beings. Our very identity and estimation of self is tied to our sexual gender... and rather than throwing all together into some social example of a chickenpox sick bed... we ought to heed the Bible's warnings and avert the disasters we endure today.
We are so desensitized to this we scarce perceive there is a problem until the disasters overtake us personally.
Think about a loved one who has been gone a number of years. How would they react to the actions and attire of people today?
Yes it was present in their lifetime to a lesser degree, but we are on the end of the frog and boiling water experiment where the heat is much hotter.
It was a bold but poignant statement in California when homosexuals who wanted to marry said "If heterosexuals hold marriage in such high esteem then why do they trash it with divorce and infidelity?" Some even tried to get a signature campaign in California to outlaw divorce.
The heterosexual community was silent. We could not say anything because the homosexual activists were right on this point.
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