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bill is once agin....faultering...
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Maybe I faulter, but you tell lies about our Christ in bad ways.
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bill is once agin....faultering...
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The HEART of the issue is truly the issue of the HEART!
John 3:3;Mark 8:34-38;James 1:27
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WildB, as a matter of fact there is, many messianic Jews in Israel today, bug there are not 2 New Covenants. Only One New Covenant.
Who was the New Covenant cut for? Remember, God did not make an old or new covenant for that matter with the gentiles. the Gentiles are grafted into the New covenant.
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And that taint you. If it is correct me. To which Tribe does your Blood give you this right?
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WildB, as a matter of fact there is, many messianic Jews in Israel today, bug there are not 2 New Covenants. Only One New Covenant.
Who was the New Covenant cut for? Remember, God did not make an old or new covenant for that matter with the gentiles. the Gentiles are grafted into the New covenant.
exactly sister
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Are We Hyper-Dispensationalists?
By David M. Havard
Keywords: hyperdispensationalism, ultradispensationalism, dispensationalism, H. A. Ironside, Charles Baker, Pastor C. R. Stam, E. W. Bullinger, J. C. O'Hair, revelation of the mystery, body of Christ, Paul's gospel, gospel of the grace of God, Apostle Paul, rightly dividing the word of truth
Many years ago, H. A. Ironside1 published a booklet entitled Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth in which he threw Charles Baker and C. R. Stam into the same bucket as E. W. Bullinger. Ever since then, we have been labeled as having the same extreme views as Bullinger. Men who have never looked into what we really teach continue to spread the slander started by Ironside back in the 1930's. Besides, it's much easier to label us as "hyper" and dismiss us than it is to address us based on the Scriptures.
This was recently done again in the July/August 1999 issue of Uplook magazine (published by the Plymouth Brethren). In this their Dispensationalism Issues issue, they presented an excellent overview of dispensationalism. As a matter of fact, we would agree with the majority of what was written. But then, one writer had to add this statement:
"One final word. Like all good things, the study of dispensations can be abused. There are some Christians who carry dispensationalism to such an extreme that they accept only Paul's Prison Epistles as applicable for the church today. As a result, they do not accept baptism or the Lord's Supper, since these are not found in the Prison Epistles. They also teach that Peter's gospel message was not the same as Paul's….These people are sometimes called ultra-dispensationalists or Bullingerites (after a teacher named E. W. Bullinger). Their extreme view of dispensationalism should be rejected."2
This article was then followed by the following excerpt from Ironside's book:3
"What is Bullingerism or Ultra-dispensationalism? This system was first advocated some years ago by Dr. E. W. Bullinger (1837-1913), who was educated at King's College, London, and was a clergyman in the Church of England. These views have been widely spread through the notes of the Companion Bible which he edited. Dr. Bullinger's positions are glaringly opposed to what is generally accepted as orthodox teaching. This movement has been carried forth in our day by ardent proponents such as Cornelius Stam, J. C. O'Hair and Charles Baker. [emphasis mine]
"There are a number of outstanding tenets of Ultra-dispensationalism. First, it is insisted that the four Gospels are entirely Jewish and have no real message for the Church. Secondly, it is maintained that in the book of Acts we do not have the Church, the Body of Christ, but that the word ekklesia (church), as it is used in that book refers to a different Church altogether than that of Paul's Prison Epistles. Thirdly, it is contended that Paul did not receive his special revelation of the mystery of the Body until his imprisonment in Rome, and that his Prison Epistles alone reveal this truth and are, strictly speaking, the only portion of the Holy Scriptures given to the members of His Body. All of the other epistles of Paul are relegated to an earlier dispensation and were for the instruction of the so-called Jewish Church of that time. Fourthly, the Christian ordinances, having been given before Paul, are supposed to have no real connection with the present economy, and therefore are relegated to the past, and may again have a place in the future Great Tribulation.
"Beside these points, there are many other unscriptural things which are advocated by Bullingerism. Many boldly advocate the sleep of the soul between death and resurrection, the annihilation of the wicked, the universal salvation of all men and demons, the denial of the eternal Sonship of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the denial of the personality of the Holy Spirit. All these evil doctrines find congenial soil in Bullingerism or Ultra-dispensationalism."
"But wait!" You're thinking, "I don't believe those things!" Well, neither do I, but these are their tactics. As far as most Acts 2 folks are concerned, we agree with Bullinger's far out views regarding soul sleep, annihilation of the wicked, universalism, and that the Body of Christ did not start until Acts 28. You either believe in their interpretation of dispensationalism or you are an extremist like Bullinger. They do not recognize any middle ground. This is what we are up against.
In the above quote, Ironside lists some the "outstanding tenets" of what he calls "ultra-dispensationalism." While this is a convenient label, it does not Biblically address the issues. Let us examine what Ironside said (and everyone else seems to repeat) and see if we agree or not.
"First, it is insisted that the four Gospels are entirely Jewish and have no real message for the Church": We do not believe that the four gospels have no real message for the church—Paul says that ALL Scripture is profitable. However, we do believe (because we hold to a literal historical interpretation of the Bible) that Christ's earthly ministry was in keeping with Israel's prophetic kingdom program (Matt. 10:5-6; 15:24). We find application in the gospels to be sure, but to say that the basic message of the gospels is directed to the Body of Christ is not being consistent or literal. As Scofield says in his reference Bible, "The Epistles of the Apostle Paul have a very distinctive character....Through Paul alone we know that the church is not an organization, but an organism, the Body of Christ; instinct with His life, and heavenly in calling, promise, and destiny. Through him alone we know the nature, purpose, and form of organization of local churches, and the right conduct of such gatherings. Through him alone do we know that `we shall not all sleep,' that `the dead in Christ shall rise first,' and that living saints shall be `changed' and caught up to meet the Lord in the air at His return. But to Paul was also committed the unfolding of the doctrines of grace…Paul, converted by the personal ministry of the Lord in glory, is distinctively the witness to a glorified Christ, Head over all things to the church which is His Body, as the Eleven were to Christ in the flesh." And if, according to traditional dispensationalism, the Body of Christ started at Pentecost, how can it be found retroactively in the gospels? The message that Peter preached at Pentecost was an offer of the millennial kingdom to Israel (Acts 2:22) conditional upon their repentance and recognition of Jesus as their Messiah—something that we now know will not happen until after the tribulation.
"Secondly, it is maintained that in the book of Acts we do not have the Church, the Body of Christ, but that the word ekklesia (church), as it is used in that book, refers to a different Church altogether than that of Paul's Prison Epistles": You'd think they would at least understand this! Regarding the assembly in the book of Acts, we have both "churches" mentioned, depending on the context. If you see the Body of Christ in the gospels, you are closer to a covenant position than a dispensational one. If the Body is found in the gospels, then to be consistent, it also has to be found in the Old Testament prophetic program as well. It was Bullinger (with whom we do not agree) who said that the Body of Christ did not start until the close of the book of Acts and that only Paul's prison epistles are for us today.
"Thirdly, it is contended that Paul did not receive his special revelation of the mystery of the Body until his imprisonment in Rome, and that his Prison Epistles alone reveal this truth and are, strictly speaking, the only portion of the Holy Scriptures given to the members of His Body": We do not agree with Bullinger on this point either. We do say that Paul received a special revelation (Gal. 1:11-12), but we do not agree that only his prison epistles are applicable to us today. Paul began to receive his special revelation of the mystery upon his conversion in Acts 9.
"Fourthly, the Christian ordinances, having been given before Paul, are supposed to have no real connection with the present economy, and therefore are relegated to the past, and may again have a place in the future Great Tribulation": Regarding the "ordinances" of the church, there is no place in Scripture where water baptism and the Lord's supper are linked. The Lord's Supper is a memorial that we are instructed in I Corinthians 11 to keep "until He come." However, we do feel that water baptism is a Jewish ordinance and is something that was phased out during the transition period. It is also rarely pointed out that we are not unique in understanding that water baptism is not for today. Other groups throughout church history, such as the Quakers, have also come to this same conclusion.
"Many boldly advocate the sleep of the soul between death and resurrection, the annihilation of the wicked, the universal salvation of all men and demons, the denial of the eternal Sonship of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the denial of the personality of the Holy Spirit. All these evil doctrines find congenial soil in Bullingerism or Ultra-dispensationalism": This is the worst sort of guilt by association, but I'm sure you see the implication. If you believe in a mid-Acts position, then, according to them, you also believe in these extreme and unscriptural viewpoints as well. By associating us with these cult-like beliefs we can be discredited without ever having to answer our Biblical arguments.
This is what we are up against. These are the same battles, misunderstandings, and deliberate misrepresentations that Pastor Stam has had to fight against for over 60 years—and we must continue to do so today if the gospel of the grace of God is going to continue to go forward.
Yet rather than discourage us, these things should motivate us. We know what we have found. We know how confused we used to be. We can honestly say that this is a more consistent and literal approach to Scripture. We no longer have to explain away what the Bible clearly says in verses such as Acts 2:38. We know that by reading the Body of Christ back into the gospels, we rob them of their distinctive kingdom character. By not understanding the difference we either have to make the clear statements in the gospels (such as a distinction between Jew and Gentile and water baptism) conform to Paul's epistles (where he says there is no difference between Jew and Greek, and that he is the apostle to the Gentiles) by explaining them away or we have to read the gospels into Paul's epistles and make them conform to the message in the gospels (which is what John MacArthur has done with "Lordship Salvation").
We are not the wild-eyed radicals that the theological media tries to portray us as. We are in agreement with the overwhelming majority of traditional dispensationalism. Our two primary points of disagreement are that we see the Body of Christ starting with the conversion and call of the Apostle Paul and that water baptism is not a requirement for this dispensation.
Let us stand firm in proclaiming the unique message revealed to and through the Apostle Paul. It is like telling others about our faith in Christ. We know what it has done for us. We know that it has cleared away our confusion. Let us graciously and boldly share with others what this message has done for us.
Endnotes
1. If you can find someone who has a copy of The Controversy (it's now out of print), you can read more about Ironside's history as related to the Grace Movement.
2. William MacDonald, "Distinguishing things that differ," Up-look, July/August 1999, pp. 11-12.
3. Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth, H. A. Ironside, Loizeaux Brothers, New York, 1938.
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WildB, as a matter of fact there is, many messianic Jews in Israel today, bug there are not 2 New Covenants. Only One New Covenant.
Who was the New Covenant cut for? Remember, God did not make an old or new covenant for that matter with the gentiles. the Gentiles are grafted into the New covenant.
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You got the watch Wild man. Time for ![[zzzzzz]](graemlins/20.gif)
Don't let them couch bugs getcha.
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okay, who is the House of Israel and House of Judah spoken of in Jer 31:31 and what is that New Covenant spoken of there?
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Does the house of David all weep today?
Is there salt on the cheeks of the inhabitants of Jerusalem today for the one that was pierced?
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No he did not.
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Grace abounds upon me now,
I once was lost
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The gift of God dwells within,
To this love I now give in.
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Did God ever make a first Covenant with the Gentiles? better asked, did God make the Old Test Covenant with the Gentiles?
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Gentiles are grafted in.
You got the watch Wild man. Time for
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Just tell us - i'd be easier.
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With you I rise,
In you I sleep,
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Grace abounds upon me now,
I once was lost
but now I'm found.
The gift of God dwells within,
To this love I now give in.
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okay, who is the House of Israel and House of Judah spoken of in Jer 31:31 and what is that New Covenant spoken of there?
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Is it not speaking of the Jews who denied Christ?
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WildB, who is the House of Israel, the one that Paul speaks of in Romans?
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Carole, for clarification, (and as WildB states "for the baseball fans, Lol) what was the addition?
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Exactly, do you guys even read these post?
You added stuff. Not my fault lol
BigC they have to add or take away to make it fit
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Exactly, do you guys even read these post?
You added stuff. Not my fault lol
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Exactly, do you guys even read these post?
Do you luvly people ever study what we post?
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Exactly WildB! And who is this "House of Israel?"
Paul speaks of them in Romans.
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We need the indwelling Holy Spirit to teach us and enable us to obey these commandments.
Indeed, Carol.
For without the Holy Spirit, which establishes our link to the Divine Nature, we are not able to operate outside of our Sin Nature – which will never allow that type of behavior.
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Exactly, do you guys even read these post?
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The New Covenant has a lot more commandments than ten, and they are more difficult, like love your enemy and if someone takes your coat give him your shirt also. These are commandments the natural man cannot understand or do. We need the indwelling Holy Spirit to teach us and enable us to obey these commandments.
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"But this is the Covenant (New) that I will make with the house of Israel
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10 commandments verses New Covenant commandments:
Same commandments but with one difference-
10 commandments written on Stone
New Test commandments written on the heart
Ez:36:26-
"I will give you a New Heart and put a New spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your Flesh and give you a Heart of flesh. 27 I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statues, and you will keep My judgements and do them."
Jer 31:31
"Behold the days are coming, says the Lord when I will make a New Covenant with the House of Israel AND the House of Judah- not according to the covenant I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, My Covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
"But this is the Covenant (New) that I will make with the house of Israel after those days says the Lord: I will put My Law in their Minds and write it on their Hearts(Not Stone Tablets) and I will be their God and they shall be my people."
Now, this is from the NKJV Spirit Filled Bible and the footnote(which I do not agree with_ says this:
Jer 31:31 Will make: Literally "cut" (see Gen 15:10; note on Jer 34:18). In light of Heb 8, the house of Israel...Judah is to a large degree The Church,(see note on Gal 6:16)
I do not believe Judah is to a large degree the church as stated by this footnote in my Bible as the Scripture says that God made a New Covenant with the House of Judah and House of Israel which are the Jews. The gentiles have been grafted into this New Covenant as Paul states in Romans and we stand by our faith.
The difference with the Old Test 10 commands is that now they are written on hearts of flesh not tablets of stone. We obey not for salvation, they were not intended for that. We obey out of our love for God and His work done thru His Son Jesus.And yes, Love does fulfill the Law, fills it up to the fullest, completes all the Law and thats what Jesus did, He did not come preaching a different gospel, He was and Is the gospel, the Word made Flesh, He is from the very beginning.
Remember the bracelet WWJD (What would Jesus Do?)i often wonder why they didn't make it WWJS(What would Jesus say?)because it seems more important to some of what He said instead of what He did.
When we die to ourselves and let Him live in us thru His Spirit in us, we now have the Power to obey. If we do not live as He lived and lives even now in us, we are no better off and we would be living under the law for everyone who does not know Him is living under the law.
Being under the Law of God without Jesus is death. But with Jesus living in us the Law of God is written on our minds and in our hearts.
The world that does not know Jesus is living under the law. But God has made a better way in that thru the atonement for sin Christ is now the Law to all who believe. So, my question is, WWJD or better asked, WWJD in you as far as the commandments of God are concerned.
The law being our tutor points us to Christ, but we cannot look back and say, we now have Christ lets be done with the law.For if we are done with the law, no man would have a tutor to point him to Christ. Christ walked it out and we are to be imitators of Him. But we cannot unless we have His Spirit in us to be able to walk it out.
Are we perfect? No, but in Him we are made
perfect, and so He would not tell us to not obey the Fathers commands for He only came preaching
and teaching what He heard from the Father.
He is the perfect, spotless lamb of God, He shed His blood for us, not to do away with the Law but to do away with sin and the curse of the law. For the law never justified or saved anyone. And surely as scripture says the blood of bulls and goats didn't either.
We surely stand by our Faith in Jesus, Jesus knew the hearts of the people and took the Law of God and expounded on it, He did not do away with it.
For example, thou shall not commit adultry, Jesus expounds on it and says if you look on another with lust you already have committed it in your heart. So here we see its a heart issue. The stone tablet says "thou shalt not commit adultry" Jesus goes further, expounding, not doing away with it, and says its a heart issue.
So, we obey from the heart, not from the flesh. And Jesus in us, the hope of glory, and by His Spirit, gives us the ability to obey because we love Him. Love is a Heart issue.
Now if one continually sins against God, i would question their relationship. Scripture says Many will say in that day Lord, Lord look what we did in Your name and He says depart from me, you workers of iniquity (lawlessness) I never knew you.
So there are some people who claim to be believers and may have the outside of the cup looking good but inside they are full of dead mens bones. They are the walking dead who claim to be alive in Him but they are not.
And many of them preach against Gods laws. They preach what men want to hear, and a lot of what they preach is "God is love" but forget to preach that He is also a Just God who will give men their wages at the time of death and judgment. I believe this is the famine in the Land for the word of God that is spoken of in scripture. It will lead to an apostate Church and has in my opinion already begun.
He has made a way of escape from Sin that leads to death and hell, but with that comes a price for all who believe. Jesus said we must count the cost if we are to follow Him. It is not always an easy road to follow Christ but it has its rewards at the end of our lives.
Jesus said that not one jot or titl passes away from the Law until heaven and earth pass away. And that is a good thing, for it is by that Law, that schoolmaster that one is pointed in the right direction. It leads one to Christ.
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Hum I must of missed the in law in this verse? Paul must of just forgot it. That silly Paul.
1 Timothy 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
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I agree, Carol. 100% I agree.
Debate is good.
But once pride gets in the way it becomes a problem.
I am a young man and I recognise I don't have alot of the answers, knowledge or experience that some of you have.
I know some of you have been down roads I have never traveled and have seen things that I will never see.
But, although I am young, I do know this one thing for certain: no one has all the answers. No one understands the mind of God 100% or his complete will.
I think God wants us to have a desire for him and a thirst for knowledge of him.
But I think God does not want us to be up in arms over his Word.
I have seen name calling, anger, pride and persecution on this board - even I am guilty of this; and for that I am sad.
Some helpful tactics I have discovered over my life is that if someone is going to make an argument/debate it is always helpful to open your response with an encouragement or compliment, give your argument, and close again wtih a encouragement or compliment.
That way when people read a statement, they are first put in the mind of agreement, which allows them to take an argument better, and when you close with a compliment, they are encouraged again.
Alot of times people just put an argument, which automatically puts people on a defensive.
But we are all, in the end, a family. We will all live with each other for eternity. I want to get along with all of you on this earthly world as well as the eternal one.
I can pretty mush say that this verse has been fulfilled this day.
1 Timothy 4:12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
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I agree, Carol. 100% I agree.
Debate is good.
But once pride gets in the way it becomes a problem.
I am a young man and I recognise I don't have alot of the answers, knowledge or experience that some of you have.
I know some of you have been down roads I have never traveled and have seen things that I will never see.
But, although I am young, I do know this one thing for certain: no one has all the answers. No one understands the mind of God 100% or his complete will.
I think God wants us to have a desire for him and a thirst for knowledge of him.
But I think God does not want us to be up in arms over his Word.
I have seen name calling, anger, pride and persecution on this board - even I am guilty of this; and for that I am sad.
Some helpful tactics I have discovered over my life is that if someone is going to make an argument/debate it is always helpful to open your response with an encouragement or compliment, give your argument, and close again wtih a encouragement or compliment.
That way when people read a statement, they are first put in the mind of agreement, which allows them to take an argument better, and when you close with a compliment, they are encouraged again.
Alot of times people just put an argument, which automatically puts people on a defensive.
But we are all, in the end, a family. We will all live with each other for eternity. I want to get along with all of you on this earthly world as well as the eternal one.
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With you I rise,
In you I sleep,
kneeling down I kiss your feet,
Grace abounds upon me now,
I once was lost
but now I'm found.
The gift of God dwells within,
To this love I now give in.
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That's a beautiful statement MentorsRiddle.
I know we get rowdy sometimes, but I haven't seen hatred. And if we didn't have debates, then I imagine that this forum would sleep like so many others have.
Debates give us an opportunity to post information about our beliefs, and express ourselves.
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The Holy Spirit is the great unifier. The Messenger and the Helper.
Only through the Holy Spirit, which is received through acceptance of Jesus Christ – the one true Son of God -- can we have peace.
We must keep the Love for the Lord in our hearts at all times and remember him and keep a mindful heart on him at all times.
And if we do this, we shall love the things that he loves and do the things he would do.
Jesus Christ, God and the Holy Spirit love Christians – so should we also love each other, since we are Christians.
As Jesus said, “Love one another as I have loved you.”
God is neither impatient, fast to anger or impulsive.
So must we be patient, slow to anger and thoughtful.
We will always have disagreements with one another; but must continue to love one another.
Our enemy will always be pride – pride in our own beliefs and knowledge; being puffed up with the knowledge.
But, God favors Love above knowledge: love from us for him and love for our fellow brothers and sisters.
This is not to say that we should have no knowledge of the Lord, for we must thirst for it.
But through the Holy Spirit can we truly understand that knowledge.
I haven’t posted on these boards in a while, not actively, because I am tired of the wedge that has been driven between members.
It has been a discouragement to me…
But, we are meant to be an encouragement to one another and not a discouragement.
How then should we continue in fellowship while divided by our pride?
How then should we continue in brotherly love while hating another person’s love for the lord?
“Love one another as I have loved you”
~Jesus
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With you I rise,
In you I sleep,
kneeling down I kiss your feet,
Grace abounds upon me now,
I once was lost
but now I'm found.
The gift of God dwells within,
To this love I now give in.
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Let's don't forget the Ten Commandments vs the New Covenant commandments
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There is division on this board. There are two camps.
A. Camp One.
1.They believe in eternal salvation.
2.Freedom to worship Jesus on any day.
3.Freedom to pray in Jesus Name.
B.Camp Two.
They take pride in themselves for
1. Using only the Jewish Name for Jesus.
2. Worshiping on Saturday
3. And they live in fear that any moment they can lose their salvation.
Only God can bring unity to this group.
betty
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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Originally posted by Betty Louise:
Agree. Praying for every one who comes to this board, members and visitors.
Betty
Ditto
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Hi WildB,
Do you desire to see unity? I dont get that impression of you very often when I see you repeatedly lash out at others. Do you have to hold up to a "Wild" reputation or something?
Honestly WildB......Do you understand why we need unity in the faith? My heart is convinced that greater testing is coming to this nation. The "winnowing fan" is in His hand. Encouragement from our brothers and sisters is what we are going to need in the coming days. When Jesus(with a strong arm) authorizes the Holy Spirit to bear witness among His followers and you see a mass exodus of Muslims convert to Christ there will rise up a greater resistance towards us such as we have not yet seen.........we will then really understand the importance of unity and the bond of fellowship in the faith. Dont get me wrong, I know that there is always trial and tribulation in the life of a Christian, but this time around (in the near future) greater testing is coming to the United States.......compliments of the Holy Spirit of God....the One who tests the hearts of men by turning up the heat. We will then really understand how much comfort a cold glass of water can be from a brother.
With love in Christ, Daniel
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My baseball fans are my PEOPLE!
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Agree. Praying for every one who comes to this board, members and visitors.
Betty
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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2 prayer this night , this day for others.
This board needs unity.
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