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Carol Swenson
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How Is A Christian Baptized Into The Lord’s Death?
This baptism into death with the Lord took place at the moment we made the full surrender of our wills to him, consecrating our all to follow and obey him, even unto death. The will represents our entire person and all that we possess. This includes the control of our body, our bank account, our time, our talent, our influence. There is not a thing of value that we possess which does not properly come under the control of the will.
When we surrender our wills to the Lord, or, as the Scriptures sometimes represent it, our “hearts,“ we give him our all; and this burial of our human wills into the will of Christ is the death of our will. “Ye are dead; and your life is hid with Christ in God.” (Col. 3:3) This death, this burial, is our baptism into his death. Henceforth, from the divine standpoint, we are not to count ourselves as having earthly aims and hopes, but as new creatures in Christ Jesus. 2 Corinthians 5:17
http://www.bibletruthkeys.com/baptism_into_christ's%20death.htm
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Carol Swenson
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Hi Botham
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It just seems that some people post long quotations from other writers as if this is the low down and that's that. It is much more interesting to hear what you as a believer take from scripture and yes, other believers' writings.
I like to share good teaching, and I draw from many sources to do that, both from the Bible study software on my computer and from the internet. I will often read through half a dozen articles on a given topic before I come across one I would like to share. I enjoy and learn from these articles, and I have been told that others do also.
In addition to articles, I share stories, poems, pictures, videos, and jokes. People who have been members here for awhile know that.
Other members of this board also share articles, stories, etc., from favorite authors and other published works. I like most of what they post, and I learn about new teachers, authors, and websites from them in this way. (We don’t always agree on what we believe, but this is a debate forum so differences are expected).
Once in a while someone will neglect to post names or link references. This is usually an oversight, not a deliberate attempt to deceive others. Sometimes I get so involved in what is being said that I forget about the reference. When I go back to review it, I’ll post the reference then. The only time I can remember a missing reference being an actual problem is when a man was posting a lot of material from a Gnostic site. Another member and I had to do a great deal of research to locate and expose the source of those heretical beliefs.
Some people like to write and share their personal thoughts and experiences. Others like to share the work of scholars and gifted artists. Most of us do both.
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Good and edifying posts all. Take this as it's meant please. Much of the quotations given, however scriptural and meant to bring us to a closer walk with God, were never intended to portray the writer as having attained this perfection. Jesus Christ attained it. What we need to do as believers is to check out our spiritual lives and the good fruit we bear or do not bear against these good points and admonitions.
They are excellent writings by people with varying beliefs as to doctrinal points that often emphasize their views. For instance, Miller is associated with a group that does not believe in water baptism and that the only spiritual gifts remaining today relate to church leadership. I belong to a denomination that believes differently, for instnace the speaking in tongues and certainly water baptism.
It just seems that some people post long quotations from other writers as if this is the low down and that's that. It is much more interesting to hear what you as a believer take from scripture and yes, other believers' writings.
Take speaking in tongues for instance. I don't presently have that gift. But I'll be sitting in church hardened and cynical from lack of prayer and soaked in the crud of the world(driving a semi does that sometimes) and a little old saint will burst through the silence speaking in tongues and you can sense the presence of God melting your heart. So tht ends the debate for me--not what writers say about this gift--what God says to me through that Godly old saint.
God bless, Botham
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Either the name or the link is provided for reference. I provided the link, you used the link. It took you to the correct online original. In what way is this deceptive?
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Dear Carol,
I loved your respponse and for the first time clicked on the link and discovered your response was written years ago by someone else. Without reference it has appeared some of your great posts may just be the work of someone else...!
I know many ideas are where the Spirit has led you and for the sake of others on the board, in my opinion it would be better if you mention the person if quoting them. I am sure it never dawned on you but someone else could judge this as deception...
Love in Christ
Paul
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Great topic WildB!
Reckon Yourself Dead unto Sin AND Alive unto God through Jesus Christ
Romans chapter 6 is critical to our understanding of sanctification. First, everyone who truly believes themselves to be justified before God by the death of Christ is ALIVE. Secondly, we are to reckon ourselves as living unto God. Our gospel must never stop with the death of Christ. Men and women who claim to believe the gospel, and yet live powerless lives, most usually have only believed half the gospel– Much emphasis is placed on justification from sin, but little attention is given to our resurrection into newness of life by Him. Yet, the Holy Spirit didn't only reveal that we died with Christ, but He also quickened us into life by that saving knowledge. Now, my brethren, since we are alive unto God, we are to reckon ourselves as living unto Him. We are to yield ourselves as His instruments of righteousness. "… How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein (Rom 6:2)?"
The whole purpose of the embodiment of God in Christ was to fulfill the Law that condemned us (Is 42:21/ Gal 4:4-5). Christ says, (Matt 5:17) "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. " The problem is not with God's Law; it is good, holy, just, and it does not need to be destroyed. The problem is our human nature; it is a sinful beast and had to be destroyed in the death of Christ. Our Lord Jesus fulfilled the Law for us, so that there could be no accusations against us in the court of justice. In Him we were judicially punished for our every transgression, the body of sin was destroyed, and the vengeance of the Law against sin was fulfilled. "Knowing this, that our old man was crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that having died is justified from sin (Rom 6:6-7)."
Being justified from bearing the curse of our sin, the Risen Christ has entered the reward of His death. Likewise, all believers, being justified by faith, have presently inherited the first fruits of His life. "For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but living unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord (Rom 6:10-11)." We know what it means to live unto God as we learn what it means that Christ is living unto God.
God the Father has given the Lord Jesus Christ everything. He has put all things under His feet. Christ asked for eternal life for Himself and His elect, and the Father has given it to Him as the reward of His obedience (Ps 21:2-4). (Phil 2:9) "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:" LIKEWISE, we are under grace, treated as justified men, and therefore given everything by God. "According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises; that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust (II Pet 1:3-4)."
Everything our Lord does for us and to us in providence, although it may be painful, is according to His grace. Paul besought Christ to remove his thorn in the flesh, but the thorn was given to check Paul's natural pride… not because our Lord is angry with us or wants us to earn His favor… instead, it is to manifest the sufficiency and glory of His grace. The Lord Jesus said, "My grace is sufficient for thee…"
Christ has dominion over His foes. "Thine hand shall find out all of thine enemies: thy right hand shall find out those that hate thee (Ps 21:8)." Everyone shall bow to Christ Jesus. It doesn't matter how much a man kicks or rebels against Him. "For they intended evil against thee: they imagined a mischievous device, which they are not able to perform (Ps 21:11)." It doesn't matter that you don't want to accept Christ Jesus. God the Father has fully accepted His Son's great sacrifice, and He has given Him everlasting dominion. No enemy has any power to thwart or even hinder the advance of Christ's kingdom. Satan, though a furious foe to us, is nothing to our Master. He will use this enemy to fulfill His purpose, and then He'll cast him into hell with all the vessels of wrath. (Read Ps 2). Likewise, I take great comfort in the ultimate advance of the Kingdom of Christ in my own life. Let us have great confidence in "spiritual comebacks". Although the saint may be presently troubled, the blood of our God justifies us. You are alive unto Him, and sin does not have dominion over you because you are under His grace (Rom 6:14). The temptations that afflict your soul shall scatter when He arises. He shall give us repentance and the forgiveness of sins.
Christ is ALL in salvation. "His glory is great in thy salvation… (Ps 21:5)." He's the centerpiece of all worship, the object of all faith, the worthiness for all prayer, the reason for every hope, and the cause of every aspect of grace. (II John 1:9) "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son." He is the subject of every sermon, the thrust of every message, and the all in all things. Likewise, Christ is everything to us. Let others pant and moan after their own righteousness; we desire to see His. Let others use 'grace' to walk in rebellion; we love Him, and delight to do His will.
This knowledge of our union with Christ in His death and resurrection must be spiritually given. We cannot move forward or enjoy one drop of sanctification until God justifies us by faith in His Son. Only when the Cross is spiritually revealed to a sinner, are you alive unto God, and therefore able to reckon yourself as living. This "knowing" and "reckoning" is all of "believing". To the same degree that we believe we died with Christ, we are to equally reckon ourselves presently alive unto God by Him. Just as we believe in our future resurrection because we were united with Christ in His great sacrifice, even so we believe in our present spiritual resurrection through the faith of God's elect. "Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him (Rom 6:8)."
"Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof (Rom 6:12)." Sin remains in your members, but it no longer has reigning power. Sinful thoughts enter to corrupt your peace, but you are alive and you have power from God to withstand the lusts of your flesh. We don't have to bear under temptation alone, being justified already and fully accepted in the Beloved, we always have refuge in the power of His grace. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God (Rom 6:13)." This yielding is God's command that we act in accordance with our new nature and not the old. He says "yield" because the Lord Jesus comes into His garden by the movement of the Spirit and produces spiritual fruit within His people. He says "yield" to teach us not to resist His Spirit, but to recognize that our new nature and happiness is united with serving Him. This 'yielding' is not optionally reserved for a few elite Christians of past generations; this yielding is the increased course of life for all who believe. "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ (Gal 3:27)."
http://www.pristinegrace.org/media.php?id=258
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by Russell S. Miller
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death? Therefore we are buried with Him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life” (Rom.6:3,4).
Yes, Romans 6 teaches us that when we got saved God took us back to Calvary, made us one with the Lord Jesus Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection; and we have been made one with one another also. And not only are we made one with Jesus Christ in His death, but our sins, and that old sin nature, has been put away forever out of God’s sight (Lev.16:1-34; Heb.13:10-14), and we have been set gloriously free! Just as Jesus Christ was actually buried, so we have been buried with Him. “Therefore,” says the Apostle, “we are buried with Him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life” (Rom.6:4). Again it is the Apostle Paul who tells us how these things are accomplished:
“Buried with Him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with Him through THE FAITH OF THE OPERATION OF GOD, [not ministers, but GOD] who hath raised [Christ] from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath He quickened together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses” (Col.2:12,13).
We have all been so fully identified with the Lord Jesus Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection. So complete is our salvation in Christ. The Lord thought of everything in saving us from our sins. And because these things have actually, really, taken place, Paul says we are to “reckon” them to be so in the daily lives we live for the Lord Jesus:
“Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord” (Rom.6:11).
This is the gospel that Paul preached, not popular, because it “crucifies the flesh with the affections and lusts” (Gal.5:24). But “godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come” (ITim.4:8). Consequently there is no excuse for sin in the believer’s life today.
“If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained” (ITim.4:6).
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