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Author Topic: CONDEMNATION AND DEATH -- RIGHTEOUSNESS AND LIFE Found in Him Advanced Member Member # 7596 posted                          A sense of humor is needed as we age isn't it? -------------------- ~To Him That is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy...to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.~ Jude 24 Posts: 1503 | Registered: Jan 2009  |  IP: Logged |  Betty Louise Advanced Member Member # 7175 posted                       A few weeks ago my daughter and I were at Wal-mart. She had walked off aways and tried to get my attention. She called me mom then Betty and then she said "Old Lady". That I heard. So now she an my son tease me by calling me the old lady. Lucky for them I have a sense of humor. betty -------------------- Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. Posts: 5051 | From: Houston, Texas | Registered: May 2008  |  IP: Logged |  Found in Him Advanced Member Member # 7596 posted                          Dingy??? I don't think that you should talk about my Sister Betty like that! In all seriousness though, I do understand what you are saying. I too have also been in question after reading some posts. I seem to take it for granted that everyone is on the same page in their thinking as me....but my children often say to me what? What do you mean by that Mom?? That is the result of me 'thinking out loud' and not talking directly to them! Maybe this is an age problem?? or a 'too busy' problem! ??? idk! Have a great night! -------------------- ~To Him That is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy...to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.~ Jude 24 Posts: 1503 | Registered: Jan 2009  |  IP: Logged |  Betty Louise Advanced Member Member # 7175 posted                       FoundInHim, No problem. I know there is a group out there that wants to omit all writings by Paul from the Bible. My mind was thinking that was were you were going. I do get confused more easily since I turned 50 and I am now 57 so I you can imagine how dingy i am now. You are my friend so we are cool love you. love you too, wild betty -------------------- Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. Posts: 5051 | From: Houston, Texas | Registered: May 2008  |  IP: Logged |  Found in Him Advanced Member Member # 7596 posted                          Oh Betty, I hope that I didn't say anything to cause you confusion? I too believe in giving honor to whom honor is due as the word says...I will forever lift Jesus above all in my heart though. I am sorry if I said something to confuse you I so often just write what's on my heart after reading a post...guess I better think first? oops! -------------------- ~To Him That is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy...to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.~ Jude 24 Posts: 1503 | Registered: Jan 2009  |  IP: Logged |  Betty Louise Advanced Member Member # 7175 posted                       I am so confused. I don't understand how appreciating the works of Paul can be bad. Paul never sought to take away the Gospel from the Apostles. Peter even talked about Paul in His Writings. We can learn from the whole Bible. betty -------------------- Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. Posts: 5051 | From: Houston, Texas | Registered: May 2008  |  IP: Logged |  Found in Him Advanced Member Member # 7596 posted                          Jesus is my Leader and Hero! I fix my eyes on Him for He is all that I need... The Author and finisher of my faith -------------------- ~To Him That is able to keep you from falling and to present you before His glorious presence without fault and with great joy...to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.~ Jude 24 Posts: 1503 | Registered: Jan 2009  |  IP: Logged |  Carol Swenson Admin Member # 6929 posted                       Pauline Christianity Hyperdispensationalism is a further development of some (but not all) of the core doctrines of Dispensationalism and differs from the same, in that, principally (although not exclusively) it teaches the origin of the "church, Which is his body" as beginning with the ministry of the Apostle Paul , "the apostle of the Gentiles" after the early part of the Acts of the Apostles in the New Testament, within a defined period of time of Acts 9 to 15 on the Scripturally based exegesis that the Apostle Paul was chosen and called by God to receive and preach the "gospel of the grace of God," a gospel that transitionally replaced the then-operational Gospel of the Kingdom . It is for this singular reason that Hyperdispensationalism does not teach that the church of today as being the same church as the church at Pentecost. Hyperdispensationalism teaches that there is no Scripture that shows the twelve Apostles teaching truth concerning this "mystery", "the church, which is His Body," or, even, more pertinently, that they were in "the church, which is His Body" at all. Hyperdispensationalism teaches that, on the contrary, the twelve Apostles were promised by the Lord Jesus Christ that they would sit on "twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel" during the future Messianic Kingdom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperdispensationalism Romans 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Because the law Worketh wrath - Produces or causes wrath. While man is fallen, and a sinner, its tendency, so far from justifying him, and producing peace, is just the reverse. It condemns, denounces wrath, and produces suffering. The word "wrath" here is to be taken in the sense of punishment. Romans 2:8. And the meaning is, that the Law of God, demanding perfect purity, and denouncing every sin condemns the sinner, and consigns him to punishment. As the apostle had proved Rom. 1; 2; 3 that all were sinners, so it followed that if any attempted to be justified by the Law, they would be involved only in condemnation and wrath. For where no law is This is a general principle; a maxim of common justice and of common sense. Law is a rule of conduct. If no such rule is given and known, there can be no crime. Law expresses what may be done, and what may not be done. If there is no command to pursue a certain course, no injunction to forbid certain conduct, actions will be innocent. The connection in which this declaration is made here, seems to imply that as the Jews had a multitude of clear laws, and as the Gentiles had the laws of nature, there could be no hope of escape from the charge of their violation. Since human nature was depraved, and people were prone to sin, the more just and reasonable the laws, the less hope was there of being justified by the Law, and the more certainty was there that the Law would produce wrath and condemnation. (Barnes' Notes) Romans 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, Posts: 6787 | From: Colorado | Registered: Dec 2007  |  IP: Logged |  Betty Louise Advanced Member Member # 7175 posted                       But was not the New Covenant made "with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah," rather than with the Church of our day? Yes, but with Israel's rejection of Christ and her temporary blindness the blessings of the New Covenant are now bestowed by grace upon those who do receive Christ. Hence, it was not Peter or the twelve, but Paul who, with his associates, was made an "able minister of the New Testament" (II Cor. 3:6). ------------- this is something to think about. Paul was the major player in the writing of the NT, but there were also others, John, Peter, James of course the Gospels. thank you for sharing this. betty -------------------- Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. Posts: 5051 | From: Houston, Texas | Registered: May 2008  |  IP: Logged |  WildB Moderator Member # 2917 posted                          by Cornelius R. Stam Contrasting the New Covenant with the Old, the Apostle points out that "the letter," with its requirements and penalties, "killeth." Therefore the dispensation of the Law is called "the ministration of condemnation" and "the ministration of death" (II Cor. 3:7,9). The ministration of the Law began in a blaze of glory. Mount Sinai was "altogether on a smoke... as the smoke of a furnace." There were thunderings and lightnings and an earthquake. There was the sound of a trumpet, "exceeding loud." There was the glorious Shekinah cloud in which God Himself appeared and "spake all these words" (Ex. 19:9- 20:1). But ere Moses had even come down from the mount with the tables of stone, the people were breaking the very first commandment, dancing like heathen about a golden calf. From here on the administration of the Law took on another aspect. Judgment had to be pronounced and penalties inflicted. Nor could any escape its just sentence of condemnation and death. What had begun in glory led but to gloom, "because the law worketh wrath..." (Rom. 4:15). "...for it is written: cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them" (Gal. 3:10). But there can be no gloom associated with the ministration of the New Covenant, says the Apostle, for under it righteousness and life are administered to all who will receive them by faith. And this because the claims of the Old Covenant were fully met by Christ at Calvary. Thus the ministration of the New Covenant outshines the ministration of the Old in every respect. But was not the New Covenant made "with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah," rather than with the Church of our day? Yes, but with Israel's rejection of Christ and her temporary blindness the blessings of the New Covenant are now bestowed by grace upon those who do receive Christ. Hence, it was not Peter or the twelve, but Paul who, with his associates, was made an "able minister of the New Testament" (II Cor. 3:6). -------------------- That is all..... Posts: 8775 | From: USA, MICHIGAN | Registered: Mar 2004  |  IP: Logged |

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