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PetriFB
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Originally posted by Eden:
So PetriFB, I don't have time or interest to go to a website link. But to cut to the chase, compared to the King James Version (KJV) of the canon or Bible, which books would YOU like to eliminate (i.e., they should not be part of the KJV canon) and which books would YOU like to add to the KJV canon?
Thank you, Eden
By this knowledge which I have now, I wouldn't take away nothing and didn't add anything.
My point was that RCC confirmed that which was already in common use, so RCC is not "father" of the canon.
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So PetriFB, I don't have time or interest to go to a website link. But to cut to the chase, compared to the King James Version (KJV) of the canon or Bible, which books would YOU like to eliminate (i.e., they should not be part of the KJV canon) and which books would YOU like to add to the KJV canon?
Thank you, Eden
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Glory belongs to Him
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May God bless you as well! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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If you ever get so hungry for God that you are in pursuit of Him, He will do things for you that He won't do for anybody else.
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PetriFB
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Originally posted by Glory belongs to Him:
Thanks for explaining your post farther for a while I was about to think you was for their religious beliefts. Glad you explained it farther.
Selah
Ok may God bless you!
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PetriFB
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Originally posted by yahsway:
So basically what you are saying is that the Catholic Church added to and took away from the origional cannons? Hmm
Anyone know that verse in the OT that says "Surely we have inherited lies from our fathers"?
Makes one wonder. Thanks for the info and be blessed!
All things has not recorded to the history and we have very one-sided Church history, because Roman Catholic Church killed its opponents as heretic and destroyed their works and have given a name of heretic the opponents of Catholic Church. Testimony of the Roman Catholic Church is not trustworthy in all, because it has been destroyed many books, which it has hold as heretical books. But maybe were not!
RCC used power of the beast and furiously killed and disposed its opponents from which many was also Jesus' disciples, who didn't want to yield themselves with mixture of Babylonian-Christianity church (RCC).
So the history might not be such as it looks like.
Ac 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Wolves came and didn't spare the flock, but killed them, disgraced them by a name of heretic and burn their books and so on.
If we from the grace of God can someday know the truth about hidden things and events what happened in the world; I'm sure that history is not in all cases similar as it looks like now.
For me is important to believe in Jesus Christ and see that the Holy Spirit works in my life and that word of God and its promises fulfilled in my life and in the world.
So we have the word of God among us by written edition and in the Holy Spirit.
Mt 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
May God bless you!
I have seen that Roman Catholic Church has took too much credit for the Canon and presents things thus that for earnings of the Canon it has monopoly in the faith and the Bible. Although the truth is that RCC is mixture of Babylonian-Christianity, which is heretic and not according the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Too many Christians don't want to see and understand that what RCC stands for and what it is, not the Church of Jesus Christ.
Purpose of my text was also that we could see that the canon has been existed long before RCC and RCC only confirmed it what others have been used few centuries before RCC.
The beast and spirit of antichrist have borne RCC as purpose to decieve and best way to do this is by monopolizing the Bible.
So Jesus' disciples should know that what is going on this world.
I meant that RCC has destroyed some books and could (very possible) have hold some men as heretic by twisting that they are heretics, even if they weren't.
We have in history recorded that RCC has also destroyed manuscripts and so on. So who knows what they have been done. They could also arrange this canon mess that it looks like that there has been a mess in it and that they handled the case by canonizing the right books and like so they have got monopoly to the faith and the Bible, but they have not it in my heart.
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yahsway
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So basically what you are saying is that the Catholic Church added to and took away from the origional cannons? Hmm
Anyone know that verse in the OT that says "Surely we have inherited lies from our fathers"?
Makes one wonder. Thanks for the info and be blessed!
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PetriFB
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
Can you brief me petrifb? There is so much stuff to read all the time. What is the gist of it. Is what we have wrong? I more than seriously doubt it, nevertheless I am still willing to listen.
Clemens Alexandrian (150-215 A.D.) accepted and knew all current New Testament books as the word of God. Before and after Clemens were many who argued that the letter of Hebrews, the letter of James and the book of Revelation don't belong to Canon. Clemens believed that the Didache "Teaching of the Twelve Apostles" was also part of the canon, however it is not canonical book.
Long before existence of Roman Catholic Church the canon was already used in Early Church. Roman Catholic Church has not borne the canon, but began to use letters, which Early Church has canonized and used long before Roman Catholic Church. Remarkable is that year 1546 Roman Catholic Church canonized some old testament books of Apocrypha, they called them as 'Deuterocanonical', which means 'secondary canon.' Roman Catholic Church has accepted books as canonical, which are not canonical.
Roman Catholic Church resisted heretic doctrines, however they also taught heretic doctrines such as:
- 375 A.D. began worship of the angels and dead saints.
- 378 A.D. Roman bishop Damascus inherited as a religious leader the names Pontifex Maximum and Vicarius Christi from Caesar. Like this way from the seat of the Pope became heir of Babylonian high priest cult.
- 381 A.D. began unofficial prayers to Virgin Mary, to mother of God and the Queen of the Heaven. Mary is not Queen of the Heaven and not mother of God, but she was mother of Jesus the Son of God, but not mother of Father God.
- 394 A.D. began the daily mass in Roman Catholic Church. Roman Catholic Church teach that the mass of Christ must carry out daily and that in the mass of Christ Catholic priests continuously sacrifice Jesus with a bloodless way. Roman Catholic Church teach also that this sacrifice is the most powerful sin offering in the Church.
With those heretic doctrines Roman Catholic Church is also heretic sect, and the gospel of Roman Catholic Church is non-biblical gospel.
The Third Church Council in 397 A.D represented and accepted the official canon, in which was taken all 27 New Testament books (which are in current NT). Roman Catholic Church canonized officially 397 A.D. it what has been existed in the Early Church already few centuries. Representatives of Roman Catholic Church are proud that they have given the New Testament to Christians and to the world. However, the fact is that Roman Catholic Church canonized that which had been existed and use already in the Early Church. Roman Catholic Church got its canon from those who had been lived long before them and used and believed all 27 New Testament books.
Roman Catholic Church gave to order about content of the Bible in 1546, in which they decided that Jerome's Latin Vulgate is official canon of the Church. Like this way Roman Catholic Church took to the Bible old testament era Apocrypha books, which are not Biblical books. Roman Catholic Church's Bible contains books that are not Biblical. This is also indication an attitude of the Catholic Church and how it continuously adds non-biblical things inside the Church.
Concept Catholic Church was born in 150 A.D. when believers begin to call Church meaning by that Church is general and universal (katolikos). In the Bible (Greek) is not the word katolikos, it means that Jesus Christ and apostles and Early Church didn't call Church as Catholic Church and this means that we shouldn't either.
Roman Catholic Church with Popes (word Pope is not in the Bible, but is man made doctrine and title in RCC) and archbishops begin to form after 312 A.D. when emperor Constantine converted for a Christian. Years 380-381 Caesar declared Christianity for the religion of the Rome and so finally formed officially Roman Catholic Church, which was and is false imitation for the real Church, which is the body of Christ; real Jesus' discipleswho are born again in the Holy Spirit from the grace of God.
The truth is that Roman Catholic Church didn't give us canon of the New Testament, but God did it by the apostles and Early Church and Roman Catholic Church confirmed it. Which had been already existed and used in the Early Church.
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Michael Harrison
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Can you brief me petrifb? There is so much stuff to read all the time. What is the gist of it. Is what we have wrong? I more than seriously doubt it, nevertheless I am still willing to listen.
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PetriFB
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http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/NewTestamentCanon.html
How and in what way happened the birth of the New Testament and the Canon? There are various teaching and comprehension about it. The birth of the Canon is very interesting and also very often understood insufficiently. I bring forth issues which show that common teaching for the birth of New Testament is an erroneous conclusion. I challenge you to read and look over this writing very carefully, because it can lead you from the tradition to the truth. The Bible says that prove (test) all things, hold fast that which is good. Test this writing with the Bible and hold fast to the good and reject that which is not Biblical.
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