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Eden..It has made my day knowing that you like frogs. rivit. Do you have a garden ? Does it have flies n' yummie stuff like that ?
Love back at ya,
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I like frogs, especially blue frogs. We got them "green around the ears" ones here and them "red-faced" ones, and sometimes they have a big smile on their face.
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Eden...Do you have somethin against frogs ?
You used the catholic church as a religion that killed gobs of folks, and that, they did. But, I say, But, their religion did not dictate that as what they should do. To the contrary, that was something drempt up by the pope. For the Muslims, it's in the Book. For the Catholics it is Not in the Book. In neither case was it a good work.
I suppose you are right saying that lots of Muslims are nice n' stuff. The praise comes to those who kill and that goes on here in the US.
At least getting ready for it. You might want to visit ACT for more information.
Now, if you turn this into a fuss I may give you warts. hehe
Well, that's what me thinks.
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bluefrog, the moslem extremists are a very small group within the billion-strong moslem community. The vast majority of moslem believers go peacefully and quietly about their business worshipping their Allah.
And certainly the Roman Catholic branch of Christianity had its own period of "burning infidels alive on the stake" and "throwing infidels bound hand-and-foot" into the river, etc.
We are much prettier to look at now compared to the extremist portion of Islam, but I'm sure that the believers of Islam also do many good works among themselves.
However, I do think that Christians do the most good works, especially in other countries, of any religion on earth.
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Bluefrog, your full of bolognia.
Wellll, in order for me to know something about the Muslims I had to study it. I didn't spend a lot of time at it but I did see that Muslims are just about as aware of their Koran as we are about our bible. That is not a compliment. Anyhoo, if you think that cutting off the arms, legs, and heads of the infidels and stacking them in a pile outside of town is not a good work then maybe you agree with me. There are other goodies too. They want us dead. It's in the book. That is their religion.
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bluefrog wrote that "Muslim" is a religion of "hate and rebellion", but that is probably only true by looking at it from a Christian perspective.
Granted that there are moslem extremists, but other than the extremists, I'm sure that WITHIN the Muslim religion itself, the vast majority of muslims go peacefully and quietly about their daily religious business, including doing good works for each other within their moslem communities, and the vast majority of Muslims certainly would not consider Islam a religion of "hate and rebellion".
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Hi, bleufrog, you wrote quote:
If a religion is one of hate and rebellion I would assume that their Good Works practices would only be accounted for if by our standards were Bad Works.
Is there such a "religion of hate and rebellion" on earth today and in your opinion, what or which is it, and why?
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Which "religion" does the most good works on earth?
I'm a thinkin that getting an answer to this question would be pretty tough if you wanted the truth.
Christians who do good works do it out of the kindness of their hearts and want no recognition. Chances are they do more good works than they could account for also.
If a religion is one of hate and rebellion I would assume that their Good Works practices would only be accounted for if by our standards were Bad Works.
I am pretty sure that many with no religion do very little of what we would call Good Works unless it is tax deductible or promotional.
But, you don't have to be religious to do good works, I'm just going by what I have learned.
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Hi, oneinchrist, thanks for the fellowship. You wrote quote:
An "instant total subjection" would be manifest by a yielding HEART that says unreservedly, "Lord, Your will not mine"... I am available for whatever You may desire so that You may be glorified through me".
It is not only a matter of, "Lord, Your will, not mine," but it is also a matter of YOU becoming glorified by choosing to listen to the Spirit of God for instructions instead of listening to your soul's ideas anymore.
What I'm saying, you say, ONLY YOUR WILL BE DONE LORD, but WE OURSELVES must live this abundant life when we start listening regularly to what the Holy Spirit of God is saying to our spirit, and when we act upon what we have been asked to do next.
It's not just saying, "a yielding HEART that says unreservedly, "Lord, Your will not mine" ... I am available for whatever You may desire so that You may be glorified through me".[/quote]While that is true, God does not want you to discount yourself, because God wants YOU to live that new "abundant life" so that others can see it, as compared to "God being glorified".
God of course is also glorified because the new life miraculously comes from God, but if you listen to and "hear the new life" which is yours because God has put you "in Christ", then the new life is "not just so that God may be glorified" but also so that "you may be glorified" now that you have been declared to be "alive unto God".
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Hi Eden,
I think that there exists both an "instant total subjection" and an "increasing subjection over time". An "instant total subjection" would be manifest by a yielding HEART that says unreservedly, "Lord, Your will not mine"... I am available for whatever You may desire so that You may be glorified through me"........but an "increasing subjection" over time would be like you say.......the soul of man daily listening more and more to the Spirit of God and the MIND and BODY which becomes increasingly more and more into subjection to the rule of the Spirit.
With love in Christ, Daniel
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WildB wrote about the believers of Islam: quote:
Don't forget about them taking little girls as thou they were women.
I agree with Ciscokid. Marrying-off young women who reached puberty happened in many cultures, not just in Islam. The Israelites married maidens too in the Old Testament, as Ciscokid pointed out.
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Don't forget about them taking little girls as thou they were women.
The ancient Israelite's did the same thing [Moses]. It's a barbaric culture that has existed for who knows how long.
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The Beauty of Holiness777 wrote quote:
Eden you yourself knows that scripture says we die daily meaning we do not obtain these gifts instantly.
Good point. Eden himself knows now.
BTW, it seems your heart has softened somewhat toward me compared to what you thought of me a couple of weeks ago?
Not only do we die daily, we also often "come back to live again" when we "should stay dead" (Romans 6:6: "Don't you know that your old man was crucified with Christ"?)
But eventhough "our old man" died back there with Christ, we still "need to live it out here in our life's experience too", and in THAT process, "we die daily" (hopefully).
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Eden you yourself knows that scripture says we die daily meaning we do not obtain these gifts instantly.
Glory belongs to Him:
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Until conversion there is not a shadow of goodness about any of us.
I have to say when we have God's Spirit dwelling within us we know to do good works. He doesn't have to keep reminding us for we already know that that is His Will.
There are people that do plenty good works I might add but it's not for the Glory of God. They do it for their glory to be praised by man.
Glory belongs to Him
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Nothing is a good work unless it is done with a good motive, and there is no motive said to be good, but "The Glory of God".
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Hi, Glory belongs to Him, you wrote quote:
No work is good unless a man or woman does it with a view to "God's Glory" and he or she has been brought unto subjection to God's divine Will.
Regarding the part I bolded, I do not see Christianity as an "either/or" type of thing, as in:
"one day I'm suddenly into total subjection to God's will", and ONLY THEN CAN I DO GOOD WORKS.
I think our subjection to God's will "is a progressive thing", just as in Romans.
First in line is salvation or justification or forgiveness of sins, with the privilege of access to the Holy Spirit restored (access had been forbidden since the fall in the garden of Eden).
That takes care of justifciation.
Next comes sanctification, or "setting oneself apart unto God". But this does not happen overnight, it is a process as the Spirit of God inspires the new believer to read the written Word of God.
And the words from the Word of God are "spirit and life" (as Jesus said), and these words begin to talk to man's spirit, so that actually for the first time the believer begins to "rediscover his spirit" which he has not used since the garden of Eden.
Reading takes time, and so over time, a process of santification takes place in which a "maturing" believer begins to dedicate parts of his lifestyle to God, like only Christian music and only Christian books, and similar setting apart "unto God", and so individual parts of a believer "become sanctified and into subjection to the will of God".
And over time a believer learns not to use his soul anymore to run his life, the believer "gets better and better" at "listening to his spirit" and hearing what "the Spirit said to the churches of God", and so on.
So to repeat what you said, Glory belongs to Him, quote:
No work is good unless a man or woman does it with a view to "God's Glory" and he or she has been brought unto subjection to God's divine Will.
Do you see it as instant total subjection, or do you see it as "increasing subjection as time goes on" in a Christian's life?
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Good words, Glory belongs to Him. This scripture is often quoted:
Ephesians 2:10
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them.
The other day I saw this scripture in a new way. When Jesus died on the cross, God, by His foreknowledge, knew who in their lifetime would believe in Jesus, and those believers God put, not on the cross itself where the unbelievers were (Romans 6:6), but God put the believers right "into Christ" on the cross.
So those of us who were "put by God into Christ" rose with Christ from the grave and God "counts us as alive unto God" and so God starts to "stream new life to all those who were 'in Christ' when Jesus Christ rose from the grave".
When by faith I believe that God is now "streaming new life toward me because I was 'in Christ' on the cross, ONLY then can I expect to do "good works" because ONLY GOD CAN DO GOOD WORKS.
On the other hand, there are probably good works that Christians do WITHOUT HEARING THAT MUCH from God, like alms giving and food donations and things like that...aren't those works dear to the heart of God too, without being strictly ONLY DOING THE WORKS WHICH I HEARD GOD TELL ME TO DO?
So it is probable that "good works" CAN already start right after initial salvation, since the Christian has IMMEDIATE ACCESS to the Spirit of God upon salvation. So good works can start immediately, and perhaps increase the closer we get to God, over time.
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Which religion does the most good works in earth
Good works does not arise from the natural man, we cannot expect good works from the natural.
Nothing is a good work unless it is done with a good motive; and there is no motive said to be good but the "Glory of God".
No work is good unless a man or woman does it with a view to "God's Glory" and he or she has been brought unto subjection to God's divine Will. Even when the works of christianity are done with the best of motives none of the works are good without faith. For without faith it is impossible to please God.
Good works comes from a real conversion brought about by the "Spirit of God". UNTIL conversion there is not a shadow of goodness about any of us. In the eyes of society or the world our works maybe good but God will view it differently.
Healthy fruits cannot grow on poisonous trees.
Good works are the gifts of God!
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Would it be the one which loves the Lord thy God with all their heart, all their soul, and all their mind, and loves their neighbor as they would themselves?
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Good questions Eden.
The are others who have said as you that the antichrist will come from the muslim religion. Seems to be the place for him to come from, since oil is the biggest factor even with the American government.
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So when I ask, "which religion does the most good works in earth?", what kind of good works are we talking about?
Which religion does the most good works in earth!
One that:
1. Sets people free
2. One that has done more good to help people as
well as bless them, economically, politically,
and so on.
I would consider this as true works of christainity. (Yes, I know there are a lot of false religions that deceives people for self gain) but I am talking about true religion.
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So when I ask, "which religion does the most good works in earth?", what kind of good works are we talking about?
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Regarding whether Islam does good works within the borders of the countries where Islam is the majority religion, Islam probably does a lot of good works too.
On the other hand, if I think of the countries where Islam majority-rules, like Iran and Saudi Arabia, the thing that bothers me about Islam in those 2 example countries is that it is NOT the people are NOT ALLOWED to leave Islam and join another religion, especially not Christianity.
At least here in the West, like the USA for instance, we who are "nominally Christians" do allow "Christians" to convert to Islam, although we do frown on it a bit ourselves, I think, but we mostly accept a conversion to Islam because we
respect that "one should be free to choose one's religion or no religion"; only free will love for a religion can be meaningful in that regard.
So Islam does tend to be much more intolerant within itself of persons "converting to other religions" so that part is NOT GOOD.
But there were also periods of Catholic Christianity predating Protestant Christianity in which "believing in what the Bible taught" instead of believing in what the Pope taught" could get one "executed just as easily" as in Islam of today.
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I do think that Lucifer created Islam especially as his vehicle by which Lucifer will attempt to wrest the position of the Prince who rules over the nations with a rod of iron from Jerusalem (Ezekiel 44-48).
We as Christians know from the Bible that this Prince will be the Lord Jesus of Bethlehem/Nazareth, and will NOT be Lucifer/Satan.
So it is very possible that in the last-days the Antichrist will come out of Islam since that is Lucifer's vehicle for attempting to wrest the position of Prince from Jesus and from Christianity. So it very well could be that the Antichrist will be an Islamist.
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Unfortunately the devil has used 'Christianity' to perform the same things as you have credited the Muslims with bettylouise. That is why Israel has hated Christians so much. Becuase instead of being reached out to, they were betrayed by those claiming to be Christians, at times in the past. And I am deathly afraid that it will happen again. For I am not so sure that the teachers of prophecy are correct in their assertion that in the Muslims will be the manifestation of the AntiChrist.
And others believe that the antichrist will be manifest in the Catholic Church. I do believe that the manifestation of the AntiChrist will be something in answer to the turmoil created by the Muslims. And perhaps he (or they) will not be separate from them, as in opposed, but will somehow bridge the gap, thereby appeasing them. There is a lot to wonder.
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Well I quess we can very well see that by their actions today!
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I respect our Military. Hubby is a former Marine.
My point is that Islam is not a Religion that started out as peaceful. They started out as a warring group. They believe in convert or die.
As many Pastors say the reason their are moderated Muslims is they are in conservative Churches but their "Bible" does not teach peace.
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Very true Betty and I for one detests all the acts of evil that are going in these religions that people are hidden behind. War is one thing for God's Word says that there will be wars and rumors of wars. But the raping of women and children is very detestable that's why when they bring it on the news about our American soldiers doing it, it really hits home; and you don't know how I be hoping this is not true because I love my country. But nevertheless, the facts are there.
But I am not going to talk on war and killing I had a brother who put himself in the line of fire to protect his unit. So this subject is a soft spot which I will go no further in.
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sorry but if you do a study on Mohammad this religion was started on war and destruction. It was never about peace. They conquered territory and killed the men and raped the women and young girls.
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From what I have read about Islam / one who submits their self to God I never said it was the "True and living God." There is a difference alright, there are many gods that people worship. But there is only one "True and Living God" and that one I submit myself to. Plus I do feel at one time this religion may have started out with peace and equality as far as men way of thinking. The natural man loves to cry on religion but it takes more than religion; and the natural man loves to live by tradition which is some cases plays a part in one's religion.
There are many names as Eden has stated in which we can have religion, but not "Salvation".
Christianity is one of those names and it too in some cases live by traditions. "It too has it's faults" with all the good works that accompany it.
There are many religions but are they pure religion?
Religion without Salvation means very little.
Wild Bill in answer to your question: I was giving my opinion not facts.
Being a moderator has nothing to do with given one's opinion.
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It is an interesting question since 'all' other religions are purely based on works. So if you ask them, each will probably claim their own faith does the most works.
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I really think it could if it weren't for the terrorist groups.
Islam means one who submits their self to God.
It is suppose to be a religion of peace and equality. Which it might have been years ago before all these "acts of evil" being to take over.
That's just my view on the matter, what say you? ![[type]](graemlins/type.gif)
From its inception Islam was the religion of the sword, not a religion of peace.
Their service is to the god of this world, not the LORD GOD.
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I really think it could if it weren't for the terrorist groups.
Islam means one who submits their self to God.
It is suppose to be a religion of peace and equality. Which it might have been years ago before all these "acts of evil" being to take over.
That's just my view on the matter, what say you?
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I think of all the Christians on the earth would as of today "stop their good works", the earth would "immediately be greatly impoverished".
Lucky for the earth, the Christians will continue to do their good works until Jesus comes to take over the earth at His Second Coming. Until then will Christians thankfully continue to do good works.
Does Islam do as many good works as Christianity?
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You are right there are a lot of religions.
James 1:27 says;
Pure religion and undefiled before God the Father is this, to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Christianity concerning works I agree.
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Of the major "religions" in the world, which religion do you think has motivated its believers to "do the most good works among humanity" on earth?
I tend to think that Christianity does the most works on the earth, but does anyone agree with that assessment?
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