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bluefrog
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Michael....I figured that I asked the question in the wrong way.
I was speaking of two totally different subjects.
1) Know your enemy
2) Catholic Church
I as well have very good friends who are Catholic. I also know how strong Catholics can be in their beliefs. Probably just like us, they have been taught to believe certain things.
But, like you said they need to know the truth.
The enemy I was talking about was Lucifer. Now that old boy is a hand full of things to talk about. I was a thinkin...maybe we could share some of our knowledge about him. If ya don't know your enemy you can be in big trouble and just as well put down your armor. ![[type]](graemlins/type.gif)
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Michael Harrison
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Well bluefrog, I do not consider the Catholics my enemy. Once upon a time I had less of an opinion of them, but I have met some who changed my mind. In fact, I attended Holy Spirit Catholic church in Dallas Texas once, and they were "in the Spirit." I had no problem attending there as far as worship goes.
Now, the Catholic Church has run hot and cold. There have been some of God's most spiritual people, historically speaking, who claimed to be Catholic, but whose heart was alive with God. On the other hand, the Inquisition was the work of the Catholic Church. But today, just like the Lutheran Church, there are the dry bones, and the live bones.
I just happen to have been a part of a spiritually 'renewed' Lutheran church, in my humble beginnings as a Christian. Then there was the Christian Commune called "The Lamb's Chapel," which I attended. It was headed up by a pharmacist named Harry Bizzel, who quit the pharmacy to be pastor over the commune. I have unforgettable memories of fellowship there. I have good memories.
No particular church is the enemy. It is the ones who 'fake' relationship, who are, but mostly to themselves. But they don't know that they don't have relationship. They only know what is delivered them from the established hierarchy, and they follow it. It isn't that they couldn't, or shouldn't know better, but, as tragedy would have it, they sometimes don't know to look past what they are being told. God help us, for no one with an unction from God tells them. One of the mysteries of life is that they might listen. Or they might not. But someone must talk. Precious souls who don't know better will want to be told. People 'do' what they think is right, but sometimes miss the real truth, and the pulpit is not telling them. This is a reality!
I will tell you this, God loves them, as HE does so many who are castigated by the rhetoric of the uppity spirited people who do not yet know better than to isolate them with their criticism. After all, it is hard to get people to listen to criticism used as a method of correcting them from the error of their way. The better way is to pronounce the truth, that they might be drawn to the light.
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bluefrog
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Harrison...What cha think ? Shall we start a study on Know Your Enemy ?
How about Catholic beliefs ?
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bluefrog
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Of course it is possible. Just about anything is possible on this matter.
After I was saved it was quite some time before I really started digging into the word. God had set me up for it, I think, and then "I got it".
Talk about a plan...I was in the Air Force and then all of a sudden I became a Military Training Instructor. In the MTI academy I learned to teach. I did 7 years. After that I was asked to teach an adult sunday school class.
Sunday School always bored me because the teachers let it be. I swore that I would not let that happen so I started passing out meat (as Paul puts it) and I haven't stopped yet. I even serve as an associate pastor now.
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Michael Harrison
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Of course, we all know that the one who is better educated in the word will grow faster because they have had a head start. The one who has just the basics is probably there for reasons and run a better chance of staying there.
That sounds good to our reasoning, however, it it possible that someone 'less educated' in the word can be ahead of someone who is well versed. It has happened. It isn't how much you know, but whether you 'get it'. And it is a faith thing. Moreover this can be true because one who is learning, well, it depends upon his goal. For the wrong goal may yet net sought after results, however, the sought after results may fall short of what the true goal should be.
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bluefrog
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FAITH IN JESUS is the subject.
Me thinks you could use the word CONFIDENCE in place of FAITH. Faith is a practical expression of confidence in God.
Faith is the believers VICTORY.
God's plan is Victory.
By His stripes you HAVE been healed.
2 Cor 2:14 Now thanks be unto God, Which ALWAYS causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of His knowledge by us in every place.
Another good read is Hebrews 11:32 thru 40
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bluefrog
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Question is: Is there danger in seperating faith in Jesus from faith in His Word.
It seem that they are too related to seperate.
Folks present themselves to Jesus asking to be saved for a number of reasons. Some have little knowledge of the word and some have a good deal of knowledge. Of course, we all know that the one who is better educated in the word will grow faster because they have had a head start. The one who has just the basics is probably there for reasons and run a better chance of staying there. Sadly, too many believers are just that, they believe, but just like they believe in John Wayne or whoever. They like him and they would like to be around him, etc. but know little other than what they see in paintings, hear about in songs, hear about on Sunday mornings, or watched a TV program or saw in a movie.
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And that is a very good point. For the faith of> Jesus, is the "grace" >of God. And that is what grace is~!
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TB125
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The phrase regarding "faith" in the above cited scriptures needs to be clarified as to whether it is "faith of Jesus..." or "faith in Jesus...." There is a difference since the preposition states whose "faith" is being cited. Please clarify this in your translations.
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Thunderz7
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I almost posted this in the believe in/believe on thread;
here we're talking of faith "in" Jesus,
the Bible/Word has a few things to say about the faith "of" Jesus---
Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
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quote:
Originally posted by Eden:
Hi, oneinchrist, you wrote quote:
Are there a lot of people out there in the world who say that they believe in Christ?
Yes, the vast majority say they "believe IN Christ" while only a minority of believers, perhaps mostly legalists, say they "believe ON Christ" because "it sounds fancier", like like buying "fancy oysters" at an upscale supermarket.
love, Edenstein von ze Bilhah or ze Zilpah, but for sure von ze Jakob
{"stop your sillyness")
Hello BA;
Matthew 7:
21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23: And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Its not lip-service but a heart change which our Lord Jesus desires of His children.
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A Servant of Christ,
Drew
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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..
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Eden
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Hi, oneinchrist, you wrote quote:
Are there a lot of people out there in the world who say that they believe in Christ?
Yes, the vast majority say they "believe IN Christ" while only a minority of believers, perhaps mostly legalists, say they "believe ON Christ" because "it sounds fancier", like like buying "fancy oysters" at an upscale supermarket.
love, Edenstein von ze Bilhah or ze Zilpah, but for sure von ze Jakob
{"stop your sillyness")
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oneinchrist
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Are there a lot of people out there in the world who say that they believe in Christ------but it doesnt appear that they take to heart what Jesus taught? What causes the dis-connect? Why do some people say that they believe in Jesus........but go on ignoring His teachings? Do they perhaps not know what it really means to believe in Jesus? I am convinced that to believe in Jesus means to accept His teachings.....about repentance, faith, love, forgiveness, suffering, etc.
With love in Christ, Daniel
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2 Timothy 3:
16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
If one does not know the Word of God then they can be led astray with a false "Christ", based upon the teachings and traditions of man. If one does not have faith in His Word then ones foundation of faith becomes arbitrary.
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Drew
1 Tim. 3:
16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..
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Eden
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Children of Catholic Christians AND children of Protestant Christians may be born in a Christian family but each member has to make a personal decision for Jesus "while they are yet living" and being "born" into a Christian family is NOT enough to be saved.
That said, it is initially mostly THROUGH hearing and/or reading the Word of God that an unsaved peson is inititally saved.
So the Word of God led to faith in Jesus who is described IN the Word of God.
However, once many Christians have "faith in Jesus", they "neglect" the Word of God "as if it has done its job", when in fact, there is much more to be read in the Word of God than "just salvation".
Salvation is only the first step in a Christian's life, and many Christians stop there and don't read much more of the Word of God because of "cares of this world" such as family, mortgages, going to the movies, reading "the Sunday newspaper", and so on.
So the Word of God led to faith in Jesus, but then often the believer in Jesus forgets to "turn back to the Word of God" for "more".
love, Edenstein von ze Bilhah or ze Zilpah
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Betty Louise
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Christ has not sent you with your sillyness.
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This is directed to who? I never said Jesus sent me anywhere by the way.
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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Yes, I believe you are correct. Some people love Jesus, but they reject the Word of God.
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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oneinchrist
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Does anyone feel that there could be a danger in separating faith(trust) in Jesus from faith(trust) in His Word?
John 12:48-50
"He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him---the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
For I have not spoken on My Own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
With love in Christ, Daniel
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