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WildB
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Originally posted by bluefrog:
I would print you a copy of a calander graphic if I knew how. According to this calander, the Hebrew day begins at our 6pm and yes the Gentile day begins at midnight.
The Bible States~
Gen.1
1. [5] And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day
2. [8] And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
3. [13] And the evening and the morning were the third day.
4. [19] And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
5. [23] And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
6. [31] And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
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Dear Believers,
Apparently, 1/1/0 Noaic Calendar was the day Noah was born.
Could Jesus's crucifixion or resurrection have been on Noah's birthday?
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Dear Believers,
Who established the first month of the year?
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Ge 8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
Ex 12:1 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, saying,
2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
It looks like it got settled a long time ago. Then, it got resettled by the same One.
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I would print you a copy of a calander graphic if I knew how. According to this calander, the Hebrew day begins at our 6pm and yes the Gentile day begins at midnight.
The 24 hours were divided into 12 hours of night (reconded by sunset) and 12 hours of the day (reconded by sunrise) John 11:9, Hence, 6th hour of John 19:14 was our midnight; the "third hour"
Mark 15:25 was our 9am; the sixth hour of Matt 27:45 was our noon; and the ninth hour of Matt 27:45,46 was our 3pm. (I'm getting too old and senial to know what I am talking about, I hope you got it.) So, at least we know that now.
Sounds like March 14, 31ad at 3pm
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The Gentile/Roman day starts at 12:00:01 a.m., doesn't it, not at dawn? Dawn is when the dark night ends and it begins to become light? That ain't the start of MY Roman/Gentile day...
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Like us, the Romans divided each day into 24 hours, and they assigned 12 to the daytime and 12 to the night. These did not run from midnight to midnight as our modern method of timekeeping does, but from sunrise to sunrise.
Roman Day
The Roman day was divided into twelve hours of equal length, from sunrise to sunset, and likewise during the night. Thus the length of an hour, and the hour itself, varied according to the season of the year. The ninth hour of the day gave its name to Nones, a church service held at about 1500 hours; at some point in the Middle Ages this was brought forward to the sixth hour, that is about 1200. The name Nones persisted, however, and gave the word “noon” its meaning of the middle hour of the day. So when we speak of a.m., we mean ante meridiem (before the middle of the day); p.m. is post meridiem (after the middle of the day). Sundials or water-clocks, or a combination of both, were employed to tell the hour.
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Caretaker wrote quote:
One example is the Jewish day which begins at sundown until sundown, contrasted with the Gentile/Roman day which begins at dawn.
The Gentile/Roman day starts at 12:00:01 a.m., doesn't it, not at dawn? Dawn is when the dark night ends and it begins to become light? That ain't the start of MY Roman/Gentile day...
love, Eden
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AMEN ![[thumbsup2]](graemlins/thumbsup2.gif)
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Originally posted by bluefrog:
CARETAKER AND OTHERS....I finally got it.
Me thinks that was a Fruit not ready to pick. In other words, I was ignorant of the fact that March and January are both the first month of the year.
Next time I attempt to share the fruit I will squeeze it to see if it is ripe (right).
Thanks.
God bless you Bro;
Take your time Bro, and there are depths to God's Word which will not be plumbed until this imperfection puts on perfection.
In interpreting God's Word it can be helpful to study the culture of that time, and to reference the Jewish perspective and understanding.
One example is the Jewish day which begins at sundown until sundown, contrasted with the Gentile/Roman day which begins at dawn.
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CARETAKER AND OTHERS....I finally got it.
Me thinks that was a Fruit not ready to pick. In other words, I was ignorant of the fact that March and January are both the first month of the year.
Next time I attempt to share the fruit I will squeeze it to see if it is ripe (right).
Thanks.
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Originally posted by bluefrog:
I couldn't believe that I was so misguided so I started looking into this Nisan thang.
Now, I am not so convinced that he was wrong. Note: Esther 3:7 then I found more and it appears, maybe, that Nisan was the first month up until the death of Christ. Not convinced yet though. Gonna get some more info. I just want it to be right whatever it is.
Has anyone else determined when Christ died?
Don't confuse the Jewish calender with the Gregorian.
The Jewish festivals and thus their calender was established by God on Sinai, through Moses.
Esther 3:
7: In the first month, that is, the month Nisan, in the twelfth year of king Ahasuerus, they cast Pur, that is, the lot, before Haman from day to day, and from month to month, to the twelfth month, that is, the month Adar.
Nisan:
Strong's Number: 05212 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
!oyn probably of foreign origin
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Niycan TWOT - 1359
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
nee-sawn' Noun
Definition
Nisan = "their flight"
1. the 1st month of the Jewish calendar corresponding to Mar or Apr
Adar:
Strong's Number: 0143 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
rda probably of foreign derivation
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
'Adar None
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ad-awr' Noun
Definition
Adar = "glorious"
1. twelfth month, corresponding to modern March-April
the Jewish calendar uses a 12-month lunar calendar with an extra month occasionally added. The month of Nissan occurs 11 days earlier each year for two or three years, and then jumps forward 30 days, balancing out the drift. In ancient times, this month was added by observation: the Sanhedrin observed the conditions of the weather, the crops and the livestock, and if these were not sufficiently advanced to be considered "spring," then the Sanhedrin inserted an additional month into the calendar to make sure that Pesach (Passover) would occur in the spring (it is, after all, referred to in the Torah as Chag he-Aviv, the Festival of Spring!).
The Gregorian calender was instituted in 1582 CE.
The Jewish calender predates the incarnation of Christ by more than 1400 years.
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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..
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I couldn't believe that I was so misguided so I started looking into this Nisan thang.
Now, I am not so convinced that he was wrong. Note: Esther 3:7 then I found more and it appears, maybe, that Nisan was the first month up until the death of Christ. Not convinced yet though. Gonna get some more info. I just want it to be right whatever it is.
Has anyone else determined when Christ died?
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OOPS is Right !!!!
Wait til I get ahold of the guy who gave me that information. Gonna put a knot on his head.
Thanks to all of ya for setting me straight.
Duhhhhh.....and I started this board ![[Embarrassed]](redface.gif)
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dear bluefrog, Caretaker may have already alluded to it, but if so, I wanted to second Caretaker's position, that it was not January.
You wrote quote:
Therefore, he must have been crucified on Wednesday, 14th of Nisan (January 14th) To verify that Nisan is January see Esther 3:7, Nisan the first month.
bluefrog, regarding the part that I bolded, I think that Nisan was the Chaldean version of teh Hebrew Israelite names of the months.
And so you say quote:
To verify that Nisan is January see Esther 3:7, Nisan the first month.
In the Chaldean version of the Hebrew months, NISAN stood for the Hebrew month ABIB, and Abib WAS the FIRST month of the Hebrews.
But, ABIB WAS NOT JANUARY. The Hebrews began their first month with the month in which their Exodus from Egypt occurred, which occurred on The Feast of Unleavened Bread (on the day after Passover). Here it is in the Bible:
Deuteronomy 16:1
Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover to the LORD your God: for in the month of Abib the LORD your God brought you forth out of Egypt by night.
Exodus 12
2 This month shall be to you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
3 Speak to all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for a house.
6 And you shall keep it up until the 14th day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
18 In the first month, on the 14th day of the month at even, you shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.
Deuteronomy 16:1
Observe the month of Abib, and keep the passover to the LORD your God: for in the month of Abib the LORD your God brought you forth out of Egypt by night.
Exodus 12
2 This month shall be to you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
So bluefrog, the Chaldean NISAN represented the Hebrew month ABIB, and it ran from about March 15 to April 15 each year, and included the Passover and Unleavened Bread period.
But it was not JANUARY. The Hebrews' first month was between March 15 and April 15.
("Oops!")
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Jewish Calculations
The lunar month on the Jewish calendar begins when the first sliver of moon becomes visible after the dark of the moon. In ancient times, the new months used to be determined by observation. When people observed the new moon, they would notify the Sanhedrin. When the Sanhedrin heard testimony from two independent, reliable eyewitnesses that the new moon occurred on a certain date, they would declare the rosh chodesh (first of the month) and send out messengers to tell people when the month began.
The problem with strictly lunar calendars is that there are approximately 12.4 lunar months in every solar year, so a 12-month lunar calendar is about 11 days shorter than a solar year and a 13-month lunar is about 19 longer than a solar year. The months drift around the seasons on such a calendar: on a 12-month lunar calendar, the month of Nissan, which is supposed to occur in the Spring, would occur 11 days earlier in the season each year, eventually occurring in the Winter, the Fall, the Summer, and then the Spring again. On a 13-month lunar calendar, the same thing would happen in the other direction, and faster.
To compensate for this drift, the Jewish calendar uses a 12-month lunar calendar with an extra month occasionally added. The month of Nissan occurs 11 days earlier each year for two or three years, and then jumps forward 30 days, balancing out the drift. In ancient times, this month was added by observation: the Sanhedrin observed the conditions of the weather, the crops and the livestock, and if these were not sufficiently advanced to be considered "spring," then the Sanhedrin inserted an additional month into the calendar to make sure that Pesach (Passover) would occur in the spring (it is, after all, referred to in the Torah as Chag he-Aviv, the Festival of Spring!).
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OPPS ! My mistake, I meant January 14, 31AD not 34 AD. 34AD was after the 3 1/2 years, the other half of the 70th week (and the stoning of Stephen, Acts 13:46-47. And the 490 years of Jewish probation is over. Also, Paul and the disciples turn to the Gentiles.
One other thing....we must use a Jewish calander.
The four gospels agree in stating that the Lord was laid in the sepulchre on the Preparation Day, which was Nisan (January)14th, immediately before the High Sabbath, Nisan 15th (Matt 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54 and John 19:31,42) Therefore, he must have been crucified on Wednesday, 14th of Nisan (January 14th) To verify that Nisan is January see Esther 3:7, Nisan the first month.
Now, if anyone wants the proof of the year I will furnish it. This is enough for one script.
I think you are a bit early there Bubba.
Jewish Nissan
Dates of note in Nissan, with corresponding civil dates for this year:
Nissan 1 (Tuesday, March 20): After a 7-day training period, the Mishkan (Tabernacle) built by the Jews in the Sinai desert following the Exodus began to be the active center of worship. Aaron and his sons began serving as priests, the Divine Presence began to dwell in the Mishkan and special offerings were brought, including a series of gifts by Nachshon ben Aminadav, the Prince of the Tribe of Judah (see below).
Nissan 7 (Monday, March 26): Joshua dispatched two scouts across the Jordan River to Jericho in order to gather intelligence in preparation for the entry to the Land of Israel and the conquering of Jericho. This year, Jews of the northern Samarian town Homesh, and Land-of-Israel-activists plan to return home and rebuild their destroyed community.
Nissan 10: The Prophetess Miriam, sister of Moses, passed away at the age of 126 - 39 years after the Exodus and exactly one year before the Children of Israel entered the Land of Israel.
Nissan 10: The Jordan River splits forty years after the Red Sea split (Joshua 4) and the nation of Israel, carrying the Holy Ark, crosses over into Israel opposite Jericho.
Nissan 13: King Achashverosh of Persia endorsed the Amalekite Haman's plan "to destroy, kill and annihilate all Jews, from young to old, infants and women, on a single day, on the 13th day of the 12th month, the month of Adar," sending out the decree to all 127 countries of the Persian Empire. Esther asked that a three-day fast (Nissan 14-16) be proclaimed during which the Jews would repent and pray for the success of her plan to appeal to the King uninvited.
Nissan 14 (Monday, April 2): Fast of the Firstborn.
Nissan 15-21/22 (evening of April 2-evening of April 9, in Israel and through April 10 in the Diaspora): Pesach (Passover). The Exodus occurred at midnight on the 15th.
Nissan 16: Esther appeared before King Achashverosh, despite not being summoned – a capital crime.
Nissan 17: Haman the Persian Amalekite was, himself, hanged on the gallows he had specifically prepared for Mordechai the Jew.
Nissan 21: The Red Sea Split for the Jewish people as they fled Egypt. Nachshon ben Aminadav of the tribe of Judah was the first to jump into the sea. Walking in up to his nose before the water split, and "the children of Israel walked across on the dry land in the midst of the sea." The Egyptians followed, but the water returned to its natural state, drowning them. The nation of Israel sang the "Song at the Sea" celebrating the miracle. The song is recited daily by Jews to this very day.
Nissan 27: Warsaw Ghetto Uprising began on this day in 1943 and lasted 27 days, as Jewish fighters drove back Nazis with the small arms cache they had managed to smuggle and amass. Yom HaShoah v’HaGevura (Day of the Holocaust and of Courage) is observed on this day. Due to a prohibition on eulogies and mourning during the joyous month of Nissan, many communities mourn the victims of the Holocaust on Assara B’Tevet (Tevet 10) instead.
Nissan 28: Crumbling of the walls of Jericho, conquered by the nation of Israel after encircling the walls for seven days with the Holy Ark.
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Thought you would never ask...read my script again.
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Dear bluefrog,
How did you find a Passover in January of any year?
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OPPS ! My mistake, I meant January 14, 31AD not 34 AD. 34AD was after the 3 1/2 years, the other half of the 70th week (and the stoning of Stephen, Acts 13:46-47. And the 490 years of Jewish probation is over. Also, Paul and the disciples turn to the Gentiles.
One other thing....we must use a Jewish calander.
The four gospels agree in stating that the Lord was laid in the sepulchre on the Preparation Day, which was Nisan (January)14th, immediately before the High Sabbath, Nisan 15th (Matt 27:62, Mark 15:42, Luke 23:54 and John 19:31,42) Therefore, he must have been crucified on Wednesday, 14th of Nisan (January 14th) To verify that Nisan is January see Esther 3:7, Nisan the first month.
Now, if anyone wants the proof of the year I will furnish it. This is enough for one script.
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I am not exactly sure what happen on January 14th 34 AD but I am absolutely positive that is not the date of the crucifixion!
http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/Passover_dates.htm
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Oh, I thought it was at 10:03 a.m. on August 11, 26. I'll revise all my theological charts. thanks for the new information.
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It's the day Christ died.
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St. Paul and St. Barnabas start preaching the gospel to the Gentiles.
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Solar eclipse?
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Who can tell me what happened at 3 PM on March 14, 31 AD ?
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