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Michael Harrison
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Oh, what does it matter what "B" means?
Thinking about the discussion on 'old earth' vs. new, I have often had this notion that they might create what they will be willing to call life, in a test tube. If this happens, then Christianity will be a mockery. No one will understand why anyone would foolishly 'cling' to something as nonsensical as 'faith'. This will cause a revolution in the world, and the world will party, drunkenly, if this happens to pass. This is why I have considered this passage:
- Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
...to mean that Jesus will deliver us from the temptation to abandon our faith to such a notion that life was a spontaneous chemical reaction. Whereas some people have come to the conclusion that this refers to some kind of 'catching away'. I cannot find 'catching away', 'rapture' or any comparable thing in the words, "Keep thee from the temptation."
However, I do not believe that Grant Jeffries or those others are 'deliberately' lying!!! I do not, in the Love of Jesus Christ, see how anyone can think that. If you are rooted and grounded in Christ, how will ye be so paranoid, or judgmental? Can you not see that these believe what they are saying? Perhaps they have not put Christ first, and are therefore deceived by their own notions. But I believe that they are well meaning.
quote: world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
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Betty Louise
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What does the B mean?
-------------------- Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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WildB
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Kindgo
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The Man of Lawlessness is revealed for one week which is the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel and starts the last seven years before Christ returns (Daniel 9:27).
The 70 weeks deal with Israel and not the Church, and the Church will be removed before the 70th week (Daniel 9:24).
I realize that God's Word doesn't say "The Church must be removed before the 70th week" but I believe it's implied by the fact that there is no mention of the Church in anything dealing with the last seven years except their being in Heaven praising God.
The AC is also the first seal of the scroll taken by Jesus from the right hand of the Father (Revelation 6:1-2).
He is on the scene but ridden by the ***** for the first 42 months (Revelation 17:3). He has total power the last 42 months (Revelation 13:5).
The ***** also kills the saints, and these are Tribulation Saints, not the Church (Revelation 17:6). Those who follow the beast are the ones that divest her of everything (Revelation 17:6-17).
So it's no longer acceptable to be a all roads to heaven believer the last 42 months, you must worship the beast or die (Revelation 13:15). The AC kills the saints which are Tribulation Saints (Revelation 13:7).
I have yet to see any Scripture offered that tells us to be looking for the Man of Lawlessness, preparing for his arrival, or to encourage the Church to hold fast while he is killing us.
We see saints in Heaven already when Christ opens the first seal (Revelation 5), and we hear about those who later arrive who have been killed for standing for their faith, yet not once are we told that they are the Church, or more pointedly, the Bride of Christ (Revelation 6:11; 7:14).
Neither is there any rapture that is shown happening after the first seal is opened. Everyone showing up after the first seal is opened has been killed for their faith...
The seven seals are still judgments from God. It may not be His wrath, but they are judgments none the less.
We have already been judged as washed clean by the blood of Christ. There is no reason to have us on the Earth to receive those judgments along with those who reject God (what a great witness that would be...)
Otherwise where is the Scripture to show our being protected during this time? Where is the Church mentioned at all?
2 Thessalonians 2
And, brothers, we entreat you, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of our gathering together to Him, for you not to be quickly shaken in the mind, nor to be disturbed, neither through a spirit, nor through speech, nor through letter, as through us, as if the Day of Christ has come.
Do not let anyone deceive you in any way, because that Day will not come unless first comes the falling away, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, the one opposing and exalting himself over everything being called God, or object of worship, so as for him "to sit in the temple of God" as God, setting forth himself, that he is God. Do you not remember that I told you these things, I yet being with you?
And now you know the thing holding back, for him to be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness already is working, only he is holding back now, until it comes out of the midst. And then "the Lawless One" will be revealed, "whom" "the Lord" "will consume" "by the spirit of His mouth," and will bring to nought by the brightness of His presence. His coming is according to the working of Satan in all power and miraculous signs and lying wonders, and in all deceit of unrighteousness in those being lost, because they did not receive the love of the truth in order for them to be saved.
And because of this, God will send to them a working of error, for them to believe the lie, that all may be judged, those not believing the truth, but who have delighted in unrighteousness.
But we ought to thank God always concerning you, brothers, beloved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning to salvation in sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth, to which He called you through our gospel, to obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So, then, brothers, stand firm and strongly hold the teachings you were taught, whether by word or by our letter. But may our Lord Himself, Jesus Christ, and our God and Father, the One having loved us and having given everlasting comfort and good hope by grace, encourage your hearts, and may He establish you in every good word and work.
-------------------- God bless, Kindgo
Inside the will of God there is no failure. Outside the will of God there is no success.
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Carol Swenson
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quote: So, if you have not heard it plainly before, allow me the privilege to tell you the plain truth that you will either die or endure to the END of the great tribulation. YOU ARE NOW LIVING IN THE REVELATION, which the Lord gave to show unto His servants the things, which MUST shortly come to pass.
False!!!
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Betty Louise
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The Pre-Trib is taught even in the Old Testament. We just moved but I have a study we did in Seattle that goes into the places it is discussed in the Old Testament. The rapture is our blessed hope. This said we do not know when the rapture will happen except the tribulation will happen afterwards. Because of this we need to stay faithful and share the Gospel. We need to be paying for our lost loved ones. If the rapture was post trib, the Bible would tell us that 7 years after the treaty between Israel and the anti-Christ, the rapture will happen. The Holy Spirit in Christians is the restrainer that is keeping the anti-Christ from coming to power. When the rapture takes place the anti-Christ will no longer be restrained. betty
-------------------- Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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Kindgo
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This is so wrong!
If I were still a MOD, you would not be allowed to put the links on here.
This guy is nuts, and you have been LED by him for years now, why don't you read your Bible Barry, and stop reading this man's writings. He thinks he is a prophet..he is not! He is nuts!
-------------------- God bless, Kindgo
Inside the will of God there is no failure. Outside the will of God there is no success.
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WildB
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Not rightly divided.
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barrykind
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quote: I would that you would read this and comment on what you think? barry
Dear Friends –
Whether anyone will hear or whether they will forbear, those alive on this earth today, whether they believe it or not, will LIVE The Revelation.
The Revelation was given by the LORD so that His SERVANTS would KNOW the things which MUST shortly come to pass. You and me will LIVE The Revelation, and are called to endure to the END, to be His witnesses of The Revelation, and be kept by His mighty power, in the midst of this great tribulation, for His glory. John 17:15 - I pray NOT that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
No one, NOT a single one, will be raptured before the LAST day, at the LAST Trump. God said so in His more sure word. Those telling you otherwise, are lying to you. How much more explicit could the Lord be than to tell His servants that IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION is when He sends His angels for His elect. Four times in John 6 He tells those with ears to hear, explicitly, that the resurrection is on the LAST DAY. You MUST prepare to live and witness The Revelation. The Revelation was given by the LORD so that YOU & ME, in particular, NOW, would KNOW the things which MUST shortly come to pass.
There are many people who have believed and trusted men like Grant Jeffries, who have knowingly and willfully LIED to them. That is why so many fail to see the circular reasoning, illogical, and unscriptural basis for the false hope of a pretrib rapture. The false doctrine of a pretribulation rapture was NEVER heard of, in the entire history of the Church, before the nineteenth century. The willful intent to deceive, and promote pretrib rapture false doctrines, is certainly a part of the strong delusion of the Last Days. If you would like to quickly see the PROOF of how liars, like Grant Jeffries, have knowingly and WILLFULLY intended to deceive, you are encouraged to read this most excellent short article exposing the lies and willful intent to deceive – http://www.thewordsofeternallife.com/deceived.htm
There are many faithful watchmen beginning to see and proclaim the Ninth of Av, 2008, as when the RED Horse of The Revelation began to go forth, which was given power to take peace from the earth. Many have marked the RED invasion of Georgia as the beginning of World War Three. Many can see how certainly this will be leading to the battle of Armageddon. I can say with confidence that we are living in the time when antichrist was given power to wage war on the SAINTS. I can say confidently that no generation ever before us could KNOW that reality, as we should NOW understand. If you would like that PROOF of Why We Should KNOW we are in the Last Days, in just a 3 minute audio, you can click this link – http://www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/KnowTiem3Min.rm
The hypocrisy of these WILLFULLY DECEIVING DECEIVERS, pretrib professors, is astonishing. I know up close and personally some of the biggest names in Christianity, who, though they KNOW that pretrib is an unscriptural deception, and strong delusion, still are the biggest promoters of pretrib lala land, because their million dollar annual salaries depend upon the promotion of that lie.
So, if you have not heard it plainly before, allow me the privilege to tell you the plain truth that you will either die or endure to the END of the great tribulation. YOU ARE NOW LIVING IN THE REVELATION, which the Lord gave to show unto His servants the things, which MUST shortly come to pass.
Now the just shall live by his FAITH. Believing the lies of the willful deceiving deceivers, is NOT smart. If you would be wise, you would get that God promised PERFECT, and only Holy Bible in plain English, the Authorized Version, the KJV, the King Jesus Version, and read it the way God said to read it. EVERY WORD, precept upon precept, line upon line, Gen 1:1-Rev 22:21 and let the MORE SURE Word of God and the Holy Spirit of TRUTH teach you. Then you will get FAITH, get undeceived, and get to KNOW the truth to set you free. Then, as you see THESE THINGS come to pass, you will look up to Him, whose Name is called The Word of God, and you will KNOW He is still in full control, and you will KNOW how you can live in the great tribulation by His power and for His glory.
By the time you receive this, there will be a new audio file up on the GJiGT-Radio regarding The Roadmap From Hell. This file has important things for us to understand in this time of Jacob's trouble. Here is the direct link - http://www.gjigt-radio.com/podcast/audio/RoadMapFromHell. mp3
The importance of the book of The Revelation NOW can NOT possibly be over stated. Lord willing, this week, a 1:1-22:21, an exposition of the whole book of The Revelation, will be put up on the GJiGT-Radio. The audio files when they are put in ON AIR status may be heard at these links:
Part 1 – 77 Minutes – Chapters 1-8 http://www.gjigt- radio.com/ podcast/audio/ RevBook1Radio. mp3
Part 2 – 82 Minutes – Chapters 9-18 http://www.gjigt- radio.com/ podcast/audio/ RevBook2Radio. mp3
Part 3 – 27 Minutes – Chapters 19-22 http://www.gjigt- radio.com/ podcast/audio/ RevBook3Radio. mp3
The following is the link that I hope you have book marked, if you are not using some program like Juice or I-Tunes to automatically download the GJiGT-Radio new audio files. http://www.gjigt- radio.com/ podcast/podcast. php Check this location to see the last 10 GJiGT-Radio programs to be put in the ON AIR status where you can download to hear, and make audio CD's. Yes, we do encourage you to freely copy and distribute anything and everything, which the GJiGT makes available to the saints scattered abroad on the internet. There are NO copyrights in His Kingdom.
We hope that tomorrow we can get you part 1 of a series, which may have 12 or more parts, on House Churches. The House Church is the biblical pattern, much more so than the institutional churches. Few people have given any consideration regarding how far removed from the biblical pattern that the typical institutional church has become. There are over one MILLION house churches in China alone. Understanding the biblical house church pattern will soon be a very important, if not a vital understanding, for all of the saints in these last days. I would encourage everyone to read Acts 13:13-14:23 today, and as you begin or conclude each of the parts of the GJiGT yahoo update series on HOUSE CHURCHES. Lord willing, that Part 1, of probably 12 parts, will go out to you tomorrow.
Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem. Pray Psalm 83 every day. Only be very strong and of good courage. Stay IN the Word.
From Chittim, Isa 23:1,
Shalom & Simcha, Jim Searcy
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