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Originally posted by Eden:
Hi, Zeena, you wrote quote:
It's important to take note of small 's' and capitol 'S' in Scripture. The first speaks of our spirit, the later of the Holy Spirit. Also note if it's talking about unregenerate or regenerate please.
Zeena, if I may ask, does the Greek of the New Testament also differentiate betweem a small "s" and "capital "S", or is that something decided, in the case of the KJV, by the translators of the KJV?
Thank you. Eden
Yes, they are differentiated in the context of the passages.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
to pneuma summarturei tw pneumati hmwn oti esmen tekna qeou
Spirit
Pneuma [Greek NT]
http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4151
Psuchikos [Greek NT]
http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=5591
Ruwach [Hebrew OT]
http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=07307
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Soul
Psuche [Greek NT]
http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=5590
Nephesh [Hebrew OT]
http://www.studylight.org/lex/heb/view.cgi?number=05315
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Body & Soul
Sarx [Greek NT]
http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4561
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Body
Soma [Greek NT]
http://www.studylight.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=4983
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spirit of man;
http://www.studylight.org/con/tcr/view.cgi?number=T3141
Though, I would freely admit [with contextual proof] to being incorrect in any of these studies, as I'm not versed in neither Greek nor Hebrew very well, yet.
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Michael Harrison, you are showing your fleshly rebellion by continuing to misspell this Topic on purpose now that it has been pointed out to you.
What? Did the Holy Spirit of God which is in you tell you to "just leave it misspelled, Michael"? I do not think so. It is the flesh that is leaving it misspelled, to be "ornery".
love, Eden
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Hi, Michael Harrison, your post was long, so I will pick out a few items to comment on.
You posted quote:
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh {that is after the spirit of man), ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Through the Spirit! If ye through the Spirit, mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Can you mortify the deeds of the body 'by the spirit of man'??? Not really!
RE the parts I bolded, as to the first part..."For if ye live after the flesh {that is after the spirit of man), ye shall die...
After the word FLESH you added the words, by explanation that "flesh" referred to "the spirit of man", but that is wrong.
The flesh is what Adam and Eve and their descendants to Jesus livd by, and after Adam and Eve sinned in the garden, their sin was to NO LONGER OPERATE their bodies by the spirit of man, by SOUL RULE, meaning, by themselves, and that soul rule of Adam and Eve is what the KJV Bible calls "flesh".
So it is wrong to say that the word "flesh" means "the spirit of man" because Adam and Eve after their rebellion only ruled from the soul level and now IGNORED their spirit of man. So Adam and Eve ruled from their "flesh", meaning, not the spirit of man, but the soul.
As believers we finally acknowledge again to God that "God Who is Spirit knows better how to operate our soul and body than we do from the soul level", and so we agree to QUICK OPERATING our body from the soul level.
We new believers, as it were, agree to lay down our soul rule, and to once again listen to our spirit of man, which has always been there but has been idle and unused by the soul since Adam.
We do again what has not been done since Adam and Eve, and we the soul again begin to listen to our spirit of man, because our spirit of man is the only instrument inside of us that can HEAR from the SPIRIT of God.
When the soul is conned into reading the Bible, the Words in the Bible are LIFE and SPIRIT and these Words of the Bible do not talk to the SOUL, but talk to the IDLE spirit of man, which becomes QUICKENED by the SPIRIT OF GOD:
John 6:63
It is the spirit {the Spirit of God thru hearing/reading the Word of God) that quickens; the flesh (the soul} profits nothing: the words that I {Jesus) speak to you, they are spirit, and they are life.
The soul cannot understand those words because the soul does not the instruments to hear spirit, only their spirit of man can understand those words of Jesus which are "spirit" and "life".
Since the unregerate soul has been ignoring their spirit of man for almost 6,000 years, most souls don’t even know WHERE their spirit of man is anymore.
That’s why it requires reading the Word of God to AGAIN SEPARATE the soul from the spirit of man, so that the soul can DIFFERENTATE once again what is spirit of man rule and what is soul rule:
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of SOUL and SPIRIT, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
How about that…the Word of God divides what is the spirit of man from the soul, and, no wonder, because after 6,000 years the soul does not even know WHERE their spirit of man is, and so when a soul is “conned” into reading the Word of God, the words of the Word of God, which words are SPIRIT and LIFE, BYPASS THE READER’S SOUL AND SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE SPIRIT OF MAN, and so the soul discovers something new in him that he did not even know existed in him: his spirit of man, which alone has the instruments to HEAR FROM THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
So to repeat what you said, Michael Harrison, quote:
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh {the spirit of man), ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Can you mortify the deeds of the body 'by the spirit of man'??? Not really!
The flesh in the Bible refers to soul rule, not to the spirit of man. Therefore Paul wrote, AFTER Jesus’s ascension:
1 Thessalonians 5
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I was a Christian for a number of years, believing all I had or was, was a soul and a body. Until I learned from the Bible that I also had and have a spirit of man.
Watchman Nee has a book called The Spiritual Man which I tried to read many years ago, because I did not believe in the spirit of man and only believed I was a soul and body, so I stopped reading the book and for years it sat on my book shelf.
Until one day a few years ago, the Spirit of God prompted me to pick up the book again, and this time I DEVOURED THE BOOK and I learned—-to my surprise and acknowledgement to God---that I DID HAVE have a spirit of man too.
Love, Eden
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Hi, Zeena, you wrote quote:
It's important to take note of small 's' and capitol 'S' in Scripture. The first speaks of our spirit, the later of the Holy Spirit. Also note if it's talking about unregenerate or regenerate please.
Zeena, if I may ask, does the Greek of the New Testament also differentiate betweem a small "s" and "capital "S", or is that something decided, in the case of the KJV, by the translators of the KJV?
Thank you. Eden
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Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
It's important to take note of small 's' and capitol 'S' in Scripture. The first speaks of our spirit, the later of the Holy Spirit. Also note if it's talking about unregenerate or regenerate please.
John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
- The old man could only serve in the oldness of the letter because the spirit of man had not been replaced (or renewed if you wish) by the Spirit of God. This was the condition of people under the Old Covenant that they had only the spirit of man. And how fortunate are we in the new, because it is said that the Spirit “Came upon the prophets of old,” but was not in them, but the very reason Jesus died was so that those who come after Him may have the Spirit “IN” them. This is due to the Blood of Jesus which cleanses from sin.
![[Cross]](graemlins/cross.gif) Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
- You are in the Spirit - because the Spirit is in you. (Not you of course, steve).
Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
- Or did you receive the Spirit at all?
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
- He that ministered the Spirit? Do we suppose that means that Paul ministered the spirit of man? No! He ministered to the spirit of man - the very spirit of God.
Heb 5:11 Of which we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are so dull of hearing.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life [which is] in Christ Jesus [who is in me] hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
- The spirit of man does not do it. The Spirit of God has to be in him.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
- What Spirit? And how do they mind the things of the Spirit? They simply allow the Spirit of God to be in them and they live and walk by Him, through the hearing of faith.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
- That is because the Spirit of God fills the empty spirit of man. This in turn means that the soul is filled and illuminated by the Spirit of God who is in him, that is, in his spirit, or behind his soul. It is an inside out thing, as has been pointed out as being: Spirit, soul and body.
*Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you,[./b] he that raised up Christ from the dead [b]shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh [that is after the spirit of man], ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
- Through the Spirit! If ye through the Spirit, mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
- Can you mortify the deeds of the body 'by the spirit of man'??? Not really!
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God [who is no less, in them], they are the sons of God.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit [ of God] itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
- This means that your body and your soul are the temple of God. Temple means dwelling place.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
- So that He could quicken us to life, by abiding in us, if we will receive Him.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh [the spirit of man] shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
2Co 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Co 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
- Inner means duh, inner! It means the core of man is where God goes to dwell, that man may have life, and partake of God, and receive through the Spirit just like the vine does from the branch, by what flows inside.
5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
- If a man does not know God this way, He does not know God, or rather, is not known of God.
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Michael Harrison wrote quote:
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
We have ‘received’ the Spirit of God that we might know the things freely given to us of God. Well how about that? We have received the Spirit of God, who knows the things of God, that we might also ‘know’ the things of God, and the spirit of man does not enter in.
Wrong. The spirit of man DOES enter in. The spirit of man was never done away with, it has merely been idle, unemployed, not used, in the millennia since Adam and Eve sinned.
Adam and Eve began to operate their own bodies from the soul level by IGNORING their spirit of man, so that their spirit was idle, unused, unemployed, ignored. But the spirit of man was and is still there in the body, just like it was before Adam and Eve decided to ignore their spirit and began to operate their bodies from the soul level.
When Jesus died on the cross, Jesus regained the right for us believers to have our spirit of man quickened again, revitalized, and perhaps even a brandnew spirit of man was put in us by a miracle, a fresh one, so to speak.
However that may be, our spirit of man now is allowed to hear from the Spirit of God again. Whereas from Adam to Jesus Christ, man was in rebellion and alliance with the devil and so man heard from the spirit of this world.
But since Jesus, if we have accepted His salvation work, we are once again allowed to hear from the Spirit of God. That is the meaning of the verse you quoted: quote:
1Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
So let me repeat what you wrote, Michael Harrison: quote:
We have ‘received’ the Spirit of God that we might know the things freely given to us of God. Well how about that? We have received the Spirit of God, who knows the things of God, that we might also ‘know’ the things of God, and the spirit of man does not enter in.
The Spirit of God cannot communicate with the soul, but only with the spirit of man. Spirit to spirit. Whereas before we were saved, the input into our spirit of man was coming from the spirit of this world with whom we were in alliance, now that we are saved we can again receive the Spirit of God.
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Yep! Good amplification Y B in C. The world has taken the things of God (particularly hollywood [get it? holy wood] and made it what it is not!)
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edie! quote:
But regarding "That means what the heart believes, makes the difference in the signal that is received, therefore also in what is manifest, or played on that radio", there are only 2 things that the heart can believe, either it is in soul rule or in spirit rule.
There are only two things that the heart can believe. It can enthrone Jesus, or it can enthrone self. For it to enthrone self means that the heart caters to the soul. If one takes up the Cross, the soul is put in its proper place by the believing heart, which allows Jesus to be Lord of the life.
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Oh? If nothing is communicated to the spirit of man, why would Paul pray that our SPIRIT, soul, and body would be PRESERVED?
1 Thessalonians 5
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved...
He does not pray that the ‘spirit of man’ be preserved, but that the Spirit of God be preserved in him, and thereby the soul and body will follow. That is truth! The only representation of “New Age” here is in the Oprah like understanding that the spirit of man is of any value.
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The problem is that the soul does not the instruments to hear from the Spirit of God. Only the spirit of man has the instruments to hear from the Spirit of God and interpret what was said by the Spirit of God.
One more time for those who miss it:
- 1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
So, when people read this they think that we cannot know what God has prepared for them, but in the very very next verse it says:
- 1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
And how so? It is because we have received the Spirit of God in us. (And I should say, if we have received the Spirit of God within us, for these things would be understood if it were so!)
- 1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
So, 2:11 says that the spirit of man is familiar with man; but the Spirit of God is familiar with God. And the Spirit of God has nothing to do with the spirit of man except to replace the Spirit of man with Himself (if one will receive Him).
- 1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
We have ‘received’ the Spirit of God that we might know the things freely given to us of God. Well how about that? We have received the Spirit of God, who knows the things of God, that we might also ‘know’ the things of God, and the spirit of man does not enter in. I will tell you, if you have not the Spirit of God you must trust in the spirit of man, and that means that you abide in darkness. "Take Heed, that the 'light' that is in thee be not darkness."
But Paul’s wisdom in this area is summed up by his saying:
- 1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
Paul is indicating that he is not teaching from his ‘spirit of man’, but out of the indwelling Holy Spirit, which compares the spiritual with the spiritual. Without this he would be teaching as a natural man, to which he says:
- 1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for [/b]they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned[/b].
So the natural man will not be able to hear this, and therefore he will likely accuse the ’spiritual’ of being “New Age!” But nevertheless:
- 1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
- 1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
… in this matter!
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I have listened to plenty of Christian radio stations that are preaching lies. Nothing is more dangerous than lies that are mixed with the truth. This is Satan’s most successful form of deception.
You are right Michael, the media is used in countless ways to present a warpt picture of God, and introduce endless half truths to the beholders, not that there really is such a thing.
I have always loved science fiction, and the great special effects of high tech TV shows and movies. After becoming a Christian though, and spending much time studying the bible, I came to understand that the devil uses these movies to present his warped view of God to humanity, and spread deception throughout the world.
Your example of the Borg is a good one. Not that they are really like God, but that they present a warped picture of Him. By attaching some of His characteristics, and that of Christians to them, they are preparing unbelievers to reject God and the same when they are approached by them. Having implanted in the minds of the movie watchers a prejudice against them already.
Of course you know about the Star Wars movies. The last one was worst of all. In it, the star Jedi who defeats the future Darth, says that only the dark side believes in absolutes. We know that God is absolute, but He is not dark, on the contrary, He is unapproachable light. Through the life and death of His Son Jesus Christ, He has proven His complete trust worthiness with absolute authority.
The Dark Syth even alludes to himself as being the apprentice of Christ Himself, saying that his master saved others, but could not save himself. So again, while rooting for the JedI, one is actually rooting for the devil who has rebelled against God’s absolute authority. Watching the movie, one is looking at God through the devils warpt perception of the same.
The Matrix movies are the same. In the first one, there are three computer bad guys, like the trinity. They even say that at first they made the world a utopia, but it didn’t work out, something to do with free choice. This of course is paralleled by the biblical creation story, and the fall.
So in this movie also, the bad guys are the creators, God, and the one you are rooting for is the devil. The devil is trying to escape from the reality which God has created and forced upon him, and trying to get others to join him. In the last movie, the devil even makes himself out to be Christ, the one who sacrifices himself for the cause. Of course this is all his warped perception of God, who has forced nothing on anyone. God would rather become the servant of humanity, be hated, ridiculed, persecuted, tortured, and crucified, than force anyone to worship Him.
The new War of the Worlds movie was another prime example. The bad guys planted their ships here long long ago, and planned our destruction from the beginning.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit,whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
They came to earth in clouds, and through bolts of lightening.
Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Ezek 1:13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.
14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.
When the first ship comes up from beneath the earth, it split’s the front off of a church and moves it far from the rest of it. Suggestive I suppose of God splitting His church in the end days, separating the wheat from the tares within the same.
When the space ship emerges, it is triangular in shape, and has three legs, as also do the aliens that inhabit them. Obviously a connection to the trinity.
When the ship is fully up and operational, before it starts it’s work of destruction, it makes an incredibly loud noise like unto a huge trumpet blast.
Exod 19:16 And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.
Exod 19:19 And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice.
Exod 20:18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, t the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Thes 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Immediately after this loud trumpet sound, these ships begin their work of destruction. They destroy everything and anything in their path with as it were, beams of pure light.
I Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
II Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2 Pet 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
It ends up that they eat the people. The entire earth is devastated, animal and plant life alike, it begins to turn blood red from all the death and destruction and blood of the same.
Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
20 And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.
The intention of the movie is obviously to make God out to be the bad guy who will destroy this world, and everyone in it.
Of course in the end the aliens all die. They contract a deadly disease from eating us humans. A commentator says at the end of the movie, that God saved the world through this disease, which humanity earned the right to survive, by the countless billions of deaths suffered by the same, until we became immune. Once again, Satan is made out to be God, and the good guy, for he is the author of sin and death and disease. They were invented by Him, not God. He is the one who has caused the death of billions from the same, not God. The aliens of course are his warped perception of God, that he wishes to pass on to humanity.
I could go on and on, but I’m sure you see and know what I am talking about. The media is filled with endless lies and deception of the devil. Some obvious, others much more crafty. By beholding we become changed.
Y. b. in c. Keith
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Michael Harrison wrote to Eden quote:
But nothing is communicated to the spirit of man. Yet if one has the Spirit of God, they have the "Mind of Christ." If one has the Spirit of God, then the soul realizes Him. Therefore the Spirit 'imparts' to the soul, what is the providence of God. For it is by 'impart'.
Oh? If nothing is communicated to the spirit of man, why would Paul pray that our SPIRIT, soul, and body would be PRESERVED?
1 Thessalonians 5
23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved...
The problem is that the soul does not the instruments to hear from the Spirit of God. Only the spirit of man has the instruments to hear from the Spirit of God and interpret what was said by the Spirit of God.
Then next only the spirit of man has the instruments to translate and relay what the Spirit of God said to the soul, in language that the soul can understand.
And then the soul executes the body to do what the soul heard from the spirit of man which in turn heard it from the Spirit of God.
So to repeat what you said, Michael Harrison quote:
But nothing is communicated to the spirit of man. Yet if one has the Spirit of God, they have the "Mind of Christ." If one has the Spirit of God, then the soul realizes Him. Therefore the Spirit 'imparts' to the soul, what is the providence of God. For it is by 'impart'.
The soul cannot realize the Spirit of God. That is New Age talk. The soul does not have the instruments to "realize the Spirit of God", only the spirit of man, which was not in use before salvation, is now in use again and is hearing once again "what the Spirit is saying to the churches".
(BTW, would u plz fix the Title of this Topic from Start to Star so that we Christians don't look like imbecils to the world? Thanks. I know Jesus would appreciate it, and so would I.)
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Michael Harrison wrote to Eden quote:
If Jesus is not playing on that station, itz a dead radio. Jesus is communicated to that radio if the station (the heart) is tuned to the right frequency. That means what the heart believes, makes the difference in the signal that is received, therefore also in what is manifest, or played on that radio.
Regarding the parts I bolded, I agree that the frequency has to be the same, which is Jesus Christ speaking thru the Holy Spirit to the renewed, quickened spirit of man.
But regarding "That means what the heart believes, makes the difference in the signal that is received, therefore also in what is manifest, or played on that radio", there are only 2 things that the heart can believe, either it is in soul rule or in spirit rule. If the soul has opted for spirit rule, then whatever Jesus says on the Holy Spirit line to each individual believer (radio) is tailored specifically for that believer. It would not do for God to give the SAME message and request to each believer since each believer has different talents and depth of Word in him or her.
So if the soul has decided to give up soul rule, then there is only ONE frequency to listen to, but what each believer receives is specific to that believer.
To repeat what you said, Michael Harrison quote:
[quote]Jesus is communicated to that radio if the station (the heart) is tuned to the right frequency. That means what the heart believes, makes the difference in the signal that is received, therefore also in what is manifest, or played on that radio.
Therefore, not so much "what the heart believes makes the difference in ...what is played on that radio", but how God can use the spirit, soul, body of a given believer, meaning his current talents, including the Word of God and how well he listens to his spirit.
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Eden, you are correct! There is something different playing on your radio station.
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We are all tuned to the same Holy Spirit (if we are), but what the Holy Spirit communicates to each spirit of man is totally different.
If Jesus is not playing on that station, itz a dead radio. Jesus is communicated to that radio if the station (the heart) is tuned to the right frequency. That means what the heart believes, makes the difference in the signal that is received, therefore also in what is manifest, or played on that radio.
But nothing is communicated to the spirit of man. Yet if one has the Spirit of God, they have the "Mind of Christ." If one has the Spirit of God, then the soul realizes Him. Therefore the Spirit 'imparts' to the soul, what is the providence of God. For it is by 'impart'.
Now if I had wanted to say that God's radio and radio station are more complicated than the simple analogy which I have applied to the everyday radio, I could have said so. That one receives a different 'instruction' at the radio level, may be true, but every radio should receive the same Jesus! And we will note that this is possible under today's new digital radio, that one station can receive multiple differing broadcast at the same frequency.
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Hi, Michael Harrison, you wrote to Eden quote:
Therefore the same signal is on as many radios as are turned on and tuned in to that Holy station.
Actually, I don't agree the same signal is on "as many radios as are...tuned in to that Holy station".[/quote]God has a different task or thing to ask of every believer in their spirit, so at any given moment, each believer who is listening to his "radio", or, to be more Biblical, listening to his "spirit", that believer receives a message that is ONLY PERTINENT between God and that believer for that moment.
We are all tuned to the same Holy Spirit (if we are), but what the Holy Spirit communicates to each spirit of man is totally different.
So let me repeat what you said, Michael Harrison quote:
Therefore the same signal is on as many radios as are turned on and tuned in to that Holy station.
Actually, I don't agree the same signal is on "as many radios as are...tuned in to that Holy station".[/quote]In Christ, every "radio" hears something different, and NOT the "same signal".
(BTW, how about fixing the title of this Topic from Start to Star? Thank you.)
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Well there you have it eden. God in His graciousness has given you zeena. Suppose ye I should be jealous? I am very glad for you.
You know, I recall drawing a parallel between Christ on the throne and the worldly illustration of a radio or tv broadcast antenna. Jesus is the broadcast, the signal is transmitted through or by the Holy Spirit, who is the airwave, and we are the radio. Whatever is broadcast, (which is who Jesus is) should be manifest in us just as the radio signal is received by the radio and the identical image is amplified in the radio, in every radio. Therefore the same signal is on as many radios as are turned on and tuned in to that Holy station. Alas, so many radios are tuned to some other station, and they wonder why they are not getting the same broadcast. It is because something is telling them, "Don't touch that dial." ![[spiny]](graemlins/spiny.gif)
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Like aliens, someone is doing a lot of talking in the Topic, but, where are the Scriptures, Scottie?
Zeena has helped me understand that ONLY the Word of God is the SWORD and only what the Spirit of God says is the SWORD, so beam me up already, Scottie, but where are the Scriptures in your Topic, that I may cut myself with the SWORD?
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Yep, Star Trek got it wrong. Reading willieb's recent post makes me want to finally express it. For for a long time now I have realized that the Voyages of the Enterprise were a work of the flesh. And the enemy in at least one case, was, at least by the Biblical model, the good guy.
Leave it to Hollywood to mess it up. They glorified the free will of man. They made it look and sound like the enterprising spirit of man, doing his own thing is what has merit. And they published this to the universe to correct the wayward from the error of their way! Wow. They must have taken their cue from Bill Clinton before they started mapping stardates: "There is strength in diversity," huh? Wow!
But when you look at it, the bad lot were incorrectly portrayed. They were made to look like prisioners of their warp. They were made to look like mind control had succeeded, and evil dominated their action. Who were they? They were the Borg, the collective! Really now! Were they not subject to a supreme master? Was submission to Him not to be preferred. And were they not, as such, unified, and provided for? Did they not function as 'one'. But would not Captain Kirk have had you to believe that the dissarray of the self-seeking will of man was superior to submission to the supreme being; believing that man can find his own way, and it is a better one?
Oh come now. Was not this the devil's distortion, that what was right was portrayed as wrong, and what was wrong was glorified after the very manner of the world, in opposition to the Bible?
Beam me up Scottie?
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