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Carol Swenson
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What is “the prayer of faith” that heals the sick? The answer is in 1 John 5:14-15
“And this is the confidence that we have in Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He heareth us: and if we know that He hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of Him.”
The “prayer of faith” is a prayer offered when you know the will of God. The elders would seek the mind of God in the matter, and then pray according to His will.
As I visit the sick among my congregation, I do not always know how to pray for them. (Paul had the same problem; read Rom. 8:26.) Is it God’s will to heal? Is God planning to call His child home? I do not know; therefore, I must pray, “If it is Your will, heal Your child.” Those who claim that God heals every case, and that it is not His will for His children to be sick, are denying both Scripture and experience. But where we have the inner conviction from the Word and the Spirit that it is God’s will to heal, then we can pray “the prayer of faith” and expect God to work.
Keep in mind that it is not one individual who is praying: it is the body of elders—spiritual men of God—who seek God’s will and pray.
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Zeena
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What about those born with what is referred to as 'deformities' Eden?
John 9:1-7
AS HE passed along, He noticed a man blind from his birth.
His disciples asked Him, Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?
Jesus answered, It was not that this man or his parents sinned, but he was born blind in order that the workings of God should be manifested (displayed and illustrated) in him. We must work the works of Him Who sent Me and be busy with His business while it is daylight; night is coming on, when no man can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the world's Light.
When He had said this, He spat on the ground and made clay (mud) with His saliva, and He spread it [as ointment] on the man's eyes. And He said to him, Go, wash in the Pool of Siloam--which means Sent. So he went and washed, and came back seeing.
I do believe healing comes FIRST in and through the spirit, then the soul then the body.
Jesus sent that man to the pool called SENT, saying to that man that he was sent by God, he was cleansed, and healed. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
The Word of the Lord worked outwards and he regained his sight!
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Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
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Zeena
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Originally posted by Eden:
So, dear sister Zeena, what do you think of me saying to God, "You have got to take this off me because it was already put on Jesus; it's double jeapordy". Is it right? love, Eden
2 Timothy 2:12
if we endure, we shall also reign with him: if we shall deny him, he also will deny us:
Romans 14:23
But he that doubteth is condemned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith; and whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Romans 8:17
and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him.
Ecclesiastes 7:13
Consider the work of God: who can make straight what He has made crooked?
Romans 9:15-
For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
James 5:16
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
1 Corinthians 15:10
But by the grace of God I am what I am:
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Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
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Eden
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So, dear sister Zeena, what do you think of me saying to God, "You have got to take this off me because it was already put on Jesus; it's double jeopardy". Is it right? love, Eden
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yahsway
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Ahh very good Zeena!
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Zeena
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"Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed."
Living to God is being healed.
For we who were once crooked, are made straight!
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Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
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Zeena
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3 John 1:2
Beloved, I pray that in all things thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
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Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
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Eden
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Matthew 8:17
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet Isaiah, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bore our sicknesses.
Eventho Isaiah does not seem to directly mention "infirmities" and "sicknesses", since Matthew 8:17 DOES mention these, does that mean that if I have a disease of sickness that I can say to God, "LORD, you have to legally remove these because Jesus already bore them and it is DOUBLE JEOPARDY for me to have this"?
love, Eden
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yahsway
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Matt 9:2-6
5= "For which is easier, to say, 'Your sins are forgiven you', or to say 'Arise and walk'?
By His stripes we are healed i believe refers to His dying on the cross to forgive us of our sins.
1Peter 2:24
Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for rightousness-by whose stripes you were healed.
Peters intent in quoting this passage from Is. is to show that personal wholness- mental, psychological, physical, and spiritual-flows from this conversion.
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But what about the phrase: "and by His stripes we are healed?"
Pilate's men scourged Jesus which became His stripes and by His stripes we are healed.
Does that mean that because God put these stripes on Jesus, I can now say to God, "God, Jesus was already scourged for my non-healings" so I can now ask you LEGALLY to remove them and bring me into a full healing state for no other reason than that Jesus has ALREADY RECEIVED HIS STRIPES?
with love, Eden
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I dont think Pete is talking about body?
1Pet.2
[24] Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
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Eden
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Yet, Isaiah 53 does not seem to mention that He takes our diseases, or does it?
Isaiah 53
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from Him; He was despised, and we esteemed Him not.
4 Surely He has borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 And He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed.
Is it the stripes that heals us? Did Jesus carry all our diseases?
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Matthew 8:17
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet Isaiah, saying, He Himself took our infirmities, and bore our sicknesses.
If Jesus already bore all my sicknesses, when there is a sickness upon me, is that not double jeopardy?
And I have a righ to say, Look, the Lord Jesus already bore ALL my diseases, so you have no right to be on me BECAUSE THAT IS DOUBLE JEOPARDY.
with love, Eden
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