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Zeena
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GOD WHO CANNOT LIE PROMISED
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It is hard to tell what you are believing. I keep looking for something to remove it from the realm of strange (thinking it to be there).
1 Corinthians 14:21
In the law it is written, By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers will I speak unto this people; and not even thus will they hear me, saith the Lord.
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You cannot eliminate 'trust' from the equation.
Oh yes you can! And many born again, carnally minded believers do.. But they're still saved by the once for all sacrifice of the Lamb of God, and you can torture them with thoughts of hell all you want.. But there WILL be tears in Heaven!
Luke 17:2
It were well for him if a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, rather than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble.
Jesus will wipe the tears away! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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To do so you would have to eliminate yourself.
Matthew 6:27
Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
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For you to exist is to recognize a fact.
Psalm 139:14
I will give thanks unto thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: Wonderful are thy works; And that my soul knoweth right well.
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And to recognize a fact, you have to place faith in it.
Does now gravity require I place my 'faith' in it, or will it not take me even if I don't? Even I step out of a plane unbelieving, can I then walk on air?
Yet the law of gravity can be superseded by the law of aerodynamics, as is the plane.
You'll note the it is the plane that carries us, not us the plane.
Ezekiel 36:27
And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep mine ordinances, and do them.
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That amounts to trust.
Faith and trust are two differnt things, though the later springs from the first. Trust does not amount to faith. Yet trust springs from genuine faith. Trusting in Jesus is a fruit of the Spirit.
James 2:19
You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.
Romans 10:10-10
For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Romans 14:22
Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves.
You are speaking of knowing something IN THE FLESH! There is a higher knowledge, that of God!
Romans 11:34
"Who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?"
1 Corinthians 8:2
The man who thinks he knows something does not yet know as he ought to know.
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And without 'trust' His promises are null.
2 Corinthians 1:1-20
2Now this is our boast: Our conscience testifies that we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially in our relations with you, in the holiness and sincerity that are from God. We have done so not according to worldly wisdom but according to God's grace. For we do not write you anything you cannot read or understand. And I hope that, as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Because I was confident of this, I planned to visit you first so that you might benefit twice. I planned to visit you on my way to Macedonia and to come back to you from Macedonia, and then to have you send me on my way to Judea. When I planned this, did I do it lightly? Or do I make my plans in a worldly manner so that in the same breath I say, "Yes, yes" and "No, no"?
But as surely as God is faithful, our message to you is not "Yes" and "No." For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by me and Silas and Timothy, was not "Yes" and "No," but in him it has always been "Yes." For no matter how many promises God has made, they are "Yes" in Christ. And so through him the "Amen" is spoken by us to the glory of God. Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
I call God as my witness that it was in order to spare you that I did not return to Corinth. Not that we lord it over your faith, but we work with you for your joy, because it is by faith you stand firm.
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So you have participation, or you don't exist.
Unbelievers exist just fine without God in the world..
Acts 15:10
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear?
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You have interaction. This isn't magically automatic.
Hypothetically speaking, and most definately true for many born again believers;If I was saved as a young lady, and recieved Jesus into my heart upon being convited of sin and a longing for a Saviour; And NEVER made Him Lord of my life out of unbelief, rebellion, whatever the root cause;I would STILL be born again. Noone can take that from me, for it's the gift of God in Christ Jesus!
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You have your part, which you evidently are denying.
Jesus did my part, which you are denying.
Isaiah 14:24-26
Jehovah of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely, as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand: that I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulder.
This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth; and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.
The rest of that post is just jibberish, and a stab at a fellow saint. ![[dance]](graemlins/dance1.gif)
Ezekiel 34:20-22
"Therefore, thus says the Lord GOD to them: Behold, I, I myself will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep. Because you push with side and shoulder, and thrust at all the weak with your horns, till you have scattered them abroad, I will rescue my flock; they shall no longer be a prey. And I will judge between sheep and sheep.
I heard you once quote Watchman Nee, and again I've heard you rally to the defense of those to whom you have placed your trust..
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Watchman Nee-The Spiritual Man:Chapter 4
A life relationship is established with God in new birth. It resembles the old birth of the flesh in that it is once and for all. Once a man is born of God he can never be treated by God as not having been so born of Him. However endless eternity may be, this relationship and this position cannot be annulled. This is because what a believer receives at new birth is not contingent upon a progressive, spiritual and holy pursuit after he believes but is the pure gift of God. What God bestows is eternal life. No possibility exists for this life and position to be abrogated.
Receiving God's life in new birth is the starting point of a Christian walk, the minimum for a believer. Those who have not yet believed on the death of the Lord Jesus and received supernatural life (which they cannot possess naturally), are deemed in the sight of God to be dead, no matter how religious, moral, learned or zealous they may be. Those who do not have God's life are dead.
For those who are born anew, there is great potentiality for spiritual growth. Regeneration is the obvious first step in spiritual development. Though the life received is perfect, it waits to be matured. At the moment of new birth life cannot be full-grown. It is like a fruit newly formed: the life is perfect but it is still unripe. There is therefore boundless possibility for growth. The Holy Spirit is able to bring the person into complete victory over body and soul.
TWO KINDS OF CHRISTIANS
The Apostle in I Corinthians 3.1 divides all Christians into two classifications. They are the spiritual and the carnal. A spiritual Christian is one in whom the Holy Spirit dwells in his spirit and controls his entire being. What is meant, then, by being carnal? The Bible employs the word "flesh" to describe the life and value of an unregenerated man. It comprises everything which issues from his sinful soul and body (Rom. 7.19).'Hence a carnal Christian is one who has been born anew and has God's life, but instead of overcoming his flesh he is overcome by the flesh. We know the spirit of a fallen man is dead and that he is dominated by his soul and body. A carnal Christian, therefore, is one whose spirit has been quickened, but who still follows his soul and body unto sin.
If a Christian remains in a carnal condition long after experiencing new birth, he hinders God's salvation from realizing its full potential and manifestation. Only when he is growing in grace, constantly governed by the spirit, can salvation be wrought in him. God has provided full salvation in Calvary for the regeneration of sinners and complete victory over the believer's old creation.
James 3:10-12
From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. Does a spring pour forth from the same opening both fresh and salt water? Can a fig tree, my brothers, bear olives, or a grapevine produce figs? Neither can a salt pond yield fresh water.
Yet, it is the experience of many a born again believer on the Holy Name of Jesus!
It aught not to be so! Yet it is!
James 4
Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
Place your trust in Jesus Michael.
1 Thessalonians 5:24
The One who calls you is faithful and He will do it.
Let us strive to enter into His rest!
Philippians 1:6
being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;
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Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
She makes my point for me! ![[crying]](graemlins/crying.gif)
Follow whom you will, "As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." (and not claim that 'trashing' someone is out of 'union' with Christ.)
1 Corinthians 4:8
Already you have all you want! Already you have become rich! You have become kings—and that without us! How I wish that you really had become kings so that we might be kings with you!
James 4:6
But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: “ God resists the proud, But gives grace to the humble.”
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Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
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She makes my point for me!
Follow whom you will, "As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." (and not claim that 'trashing' someone is out of 'union' with Christ.)
And who is your House?
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Taking out the trash is Biblical.
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She makes my point for me!
Follow whom you will, "As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." (and not claim that 'trashing' someone is out of 'union' with Christ.)
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Moreover Evan Hopkins, from what I have so far read, is also 'spot on'. I cannot discern that zeena has a clue. She agrees with the wrong people.
1 Kings 22:14
But Micaiah said, "As surely as the LORD lives, I can tell him only what the LORD tells me."
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She pulls out 'points' in which she sounds altogether 'spot on' with him, but then she throws in some things that would wreck a train. ???
The train is already wrecked! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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I would like to go on record as saying that (so far, and I don't think I will be dismayed) that for Evan Hopkins to be posted is a very good thing.
Who's agreeing with man now? Hrrm?
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But if zeena understands what he is saying, it is lost on me.
Sad that the Word of God in Scripture should be 'lost on you'..
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Moreover Evan Hopkins, from what I have so far read, is also 'spot on'. I cannot discern that zeena has a clue. She agrees witht the wrong people. She pulls out 'points' in which she sounds altogether 'spot on' with him, but then she throws in some things that would wreck a train. ??? I would like to go on record as saying that (so far, and I don't think I will be dismayed) that for Evan Hopkins to be posted is a very good thing.
But if zeena understands what he is saying, it is lost on me. No one I know who understands being one with Christ, would for a nanosecond believe that out of Christ they are speaking when they assail someone's good character which is of Christ. I simply think that she doesn't understand what she claims she does. Relationship with Christ is being brought into reproach by the tone of the discussion, and I am not out to bring anybody down; only point them to Christ. But to justify sin, outright, is not acceptable for one to condone. And if that is what one is doing by what they are saying, then indeed, I have spoken against it.
That is all!
If you slander what you disagree with, it does not speak well of you. But to reprove is to be commended. But those who are 'itching' for sin to be ok, and who want to justify themselves in it are going to agree with you - at the expense of the relationship that Jesus died to give them.
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Originally posted by Michael Harrison:
The guilty dog barks the loudest.
1 Samuel 24:14
After whom is the king of Israel come out? after whom dost thou pursue? after a dead dog, after a flea.
Matthew 15:27
But she said, Yea, Lord: for even the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Acts 17:28
for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain even of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
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But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
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Corneilius Stam is to be recommended! But what He says, and what you hear, have a canyon between them. I thank you for introducing me to his work. I will continue to recommend him, for he is 'spot on'.
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Your attacks on me assume that no one else here has the intelligence or fortutude to 'decide' for themselves. Therefore you feel that you must decide 'for' them, making youself dominate over them, as though they are 'your' property. For any and all have the ability to dissagree with me, or agree with you, but you seem to feel that you must 'think' for them. That is what the devil would like to do. He can take out a lot of people with a lie if he can only do that. And in order to, he needs people on his side, that sound like the real thing.
I would pursuade whomever to know Christ by surrender, that He may be manifest to them. Only a reprobate could find fault with that.
See~! There you go saying I called you a reprobate. I did not. But if it is guilt by association, then let one understand. The guilty dog barks the loudest.
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Maybe others don't see it, but it is not hidden, your agenda, and your tactics.
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Php 1:28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.
Php 1:29 For unto you [me] it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer
How much more simple can I make it? The unbelieving will not come to terms with it no matter what I say. And is it me with whom you dissagree? You will not consider a reality check. You would rather dis me at every opportunity. And for what, to say that an untruth is the truth; to say that sin is acceptable, for God doesn't judge sin?
If you had any respectibility, enough to fill a single period on this page, you would not assault me at every opportunity. That speaks for itself like a broken Shofar going off. For I have said nothing evil.
For what reason am I judged to be in error? What (besides osas) do you hold sacred that you are protecting? For you are protecting something for the 'baseball' fans, who do not desire to serve the Lord.
So, have you discussed your postings of Cornelius Stam with him? Will he back you up?
More sillynes off topic attacks on the originator.
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Maybe others don't see it, but it is not hidden, your agenda, and your tactics.
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Php 1:28 And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.
Php 1:29 For unto you [me] it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer
How much more simple can I make it? The unbelieving will not come to terms with it no matter what I say. And is it me with whom you dissagree? You will not consider a reality check. You would rather dis me at every opportunity. And for what, to say that an untruth is the truth; to say that sin is acceptable, for God doesn't judge sin?
If you had any respectibility, enough to fill a single period on this page, you would not assault me at every opportunity. That speaks for itself like a broken Shofar going off. For I have said nothing evil.
For what reason am I judged to be in error? What (besides osas) do you hold sacred that you are protecting? For you are protecting something for the 'baseball' fans, who do not desire to serve the Lord.
So, have you discussed your postings of Cornelius Stam with him? Will he back you up?
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Good Job Mike everything is off topic AGAIN.
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2 Peter 3:15-17
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you; as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; wherein are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unstedfast wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, knowing these things beforehand, beware lest, being carried away with the error of the wicked, ye fall from your own stedfastness.
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[QUOTE] In dozens of passages of Scripture God has promised eternal life to those who trust in Christ and His payment for sin. "Christ died for our sins" (I Cor. 15:3). "[He] was delivered for our offences and was raised again for our justification" (Rom. 4:25). "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life" (John 3:36). "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved" (Acts 16:31). Take Him at His Word; His promise is good. "GOD, WHO CANNOT LIE, PROMISED."
Just so one understands that "God, who cannot lie, promised," that asone believes on Christ, He is saved. For some, if not most, feel that what He did past tense, completely takes care for it. But it is never past tense. It is what He does, present tense, which is affected by what He did, past tense, which one must be invested in. It is never what HE 'did'. Because what He did, is present tense. "Believe (present tense), on the Lord Jesus and thou shalt be saved." "Thou shalt" is future perfect, and it means that if you believe, present tense, you will be in good stead when you reach the end of the road you are on.
Do I need to spell out the Bonnie and Clyde story again? [/QUOTE
You know I have had contact with some that read this board and they ain't got a CLUE what you Michael are posting about and some think that you only post to confuse the subject that most of us carefully have laid out for the simple.
I concur with them that your ramblings are not edifying and do tend to confuse even the learned.
You have your own TYPE of tongues.
The Bible says to stop this type of sillyness lest the unbelievers think the whole board mad.
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In dozens of passages of Scripture God has promised eternal life to those who trust in Christ and His payment for sin. "Christ died for our sins" (I Cor. 15:3). "[He] was delivered for our offences and was raised again for our justification" (Rom. 4:25). "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life" (John 3:36). "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved" (Acts 16:31). Take Him at His Word; His promise is good. "GOD, WHO CANNOT LIE, PROMISED."
Just so one understands that "God, who cannot lie, promised," that asone believes on Christ, He is saved. For some, if not most, feel that what He did past tense, completely takes care for it. But it is never past tense. It is what He does, present tense, which is affected by what He did, past tense, which one must be invested in. It is never what HE 'did'. Because what He did, is present tense. "Believe (present tense), on the Lord Jesus and thou shalt be saved." "Thou shalt" is future perfect, and it means that if you believe, present tense, you will be in good stead when you reach the end of the road you are on.
Do I need to spell out the Bonnie and Clyde story again?
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AMEN!
Praise Jesus! ![[clap2]](graemlins/clap2.gif)
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by Cornelius R. Stam
"In hope of eternal life, which GOD, WHO CANNOT LIE, PROMISED..." (Tit. 1:2).
In the Mediterranean Sea there lies an island which in Paul's day had a very bad reputation. It's name is Crete. To Titus, a pastor sent to evangelize the inhabitants, the Apostle Paul wrote: "One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said. The Cretians are always liars..." (Tit. 1:12), and he added: "This witness is true" (Ver. 13). Paul knew this to be a fact, for he had labored among them. Indeed, even secular history bears witness to this trait of the Cretians, for we are told that in ancient times to call a man a Cretian was to call him a liar.
How wonderful that St. Paul had succeeded in establishing a few small Christian assemblies on this island and that Titus was now laboring there as his successor! And how reassuring that to Titus and these few believers, surrounded on every hand by people who could not be trusted, Paul could write about "eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised"!
"God is not a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do it? or hath He spoken and shall He not make it good?" (Num. 23:19).
Thank God, millions have trusted His Word, especially about salvation through the all-sufficient and finished work of redemption wrought by Christ at Calvary, and they have found it to be blessedly true.
In dozens of passages of Scripture God has promised eternal life to those who trust in Christ and His payment for sin. "Christ died for our sins" (I Cor. 15:3). "[He] was delivered for our offences and was raised again for our justification" (Rom. 4:25). "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life" (John 3:36). "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved" (Acts 16:31). Take Him at His Word; His promise is good. "GOD, WHO CANNOT LIE, PROMISED."
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