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Carol Swenson
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Romans 4:9 - 12 (NLT)
9 Now, is this blessing only for the Jews, or is it also for uncircumcised Gentiles? Well, we have been saying that Abraham was counted as righteous by God because of his faith.
10 But how did this happen? Was he counted as righteous only after he was circumcised, or was it before he was circumcised? Clearly, God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised!
11 Circumcision was a sign that Abraham already had faith and that God had already accepted him and declared him to be righteous—even before he was circumcised. So Abraham is the spiritual father of those who have faith but have not been circumcised. They are counted as righteous because of their faith.
12 And Abraham is also the spiritual father of those who have been circumcised, but only if they have the same kind of faith Abraham had before he was circumcised.
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It is wonderful that God does not require -- indeed, does not permit -- human works for salvation , but only faith. But the question is: What is faith? What kind of believing saves?
I agree with you WildB - there is no such thing as salvation by works. Not for Abraham, Jews, or Gentiles.
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We, now, must believe what God tells us -- and this is nothing less than the account of the all-sufficient finished work of Christ, wrought in our behalf, on Calvary's cross.
Romans 10:9 - 10 (NLT)
9 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved.
But after we are saved, then we obey the leading of the Holy Spirit to do the good works the Lord gives us to do.
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becauseHElives
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The Apostle Paul is addressing the changed heart, the circumcision of the heart....
when the heart is changed there will be corresponding action, the ability to obey, where once there was no ability to obey....
where there was no desire there is now desire to do what pleases Yahweh...
Faith without corresponding action is DEAD!
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WildB
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[9] Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
[10] How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
[11] And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
[12] And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
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oneinchrist
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Wild B,
Please do not make the mistake of equating "obeying Christ" with "meritorious works". Meritorious works are a man-made system of establishing righteousness. Obeying the voice of Jesus(Hearing Him) will lead to a "saving faith" but obeying the voice of another who says that it will take you to heaven will only lead to a great fall.
Jesus has all the words of life(eternal).
With love in Christ, Daniel
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WildB
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Originally posted by becauseHElives:
WHAT IS SAVING FAITH?
Saving Faith is corresponding action to the work of Yahshua on the Cross on the behalf of whosoever will
follow Yashua's example, taking up their personal cross and dieing to self, desiring nothing but the will of Yahweh in their personal life.
WildB,
What kind of believing saves?
Believing, mixed with action saves!
Hebrews 4:2
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
WildB, Abraham took action.... faith without works/action is DEAD!
Hebrews 4:2
"By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went."
James 2:21
"Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?"
So please tell the baseball fans what he was doing passing off his wife as his sister?
Gen.12
1. [13] Say, I pray thee, thou art my sister: that it may be well with me for thy sake; and my soul shall live because of thee.
2. [19] Why saidst thou, She is my sister? so I might have taken her to me to wife: now therefore behold thy wife, take her, and go thy way.
Or going in to have relations with his wifes maid?
Gen.16
1. [11] And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
2. [15] And Hagar bare Abram a son: and Abram called his son's name, which Hagar bare, Ishmael.
3. [16] And Abram was fourscore and six years old, when Hagar bare Ishmael to Abram.
Thank God we don't go by the way you improperly divide the Word and dispence grace.....
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becauseHElives
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WHAT IS SAVING FAITH?
Saving Faith is corresponding action to the work of Yahshua on the Cross on the behalf of whosoever will
follow Yashua's example, taking up their personal cross and dieing to self, desiring nothing but the will of Yahweh in their personal life.
WildB,
What kind of believing saves?
Believing, mixed with action saves!
Hebrews 4:2
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
WildB, Abraham took action.... faith without works/action is DEAD!
Hebrews 4:2
"By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went."
James 2:21
"Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?"
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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )
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WildB
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by Cornelius R. Stam
"What saith the Scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness" (Rom.4:3).
The Apostle Paul uses the above quotation from Genesis 15:6 to prove that "to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Rom.4:5).
It is wonderful that God does not require -- indeed, does not permit -- human works for salvation, but only faith. But the question is: What is faith? What kind of believing saves?
There is no indication in Scripture that "the gospel of the grace of God" or "the preaching of the cross" was proclaimed to Abraham. We must go back to the passage which Paul quotes to see what Abraham believed. Genesis 15:5 says:
"And [God] took [Abraham] forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell [count] the stars, if thou be able to number [count] them: and He said unto him, So shall thy seed be." It is this simple, wonderful promise about the multiplication of Abraham's seed which is followed with the words: "And he believed in the Lord; and He counted [reckoned] it to him for righteousness" (Ver.6). We do not mean to imply that this was the first expression of Abraham's faith, for in Hebrews 11:8 we read:
"By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went."
This took place considerably before the Genesis 15 incident and we are specifically told that through his faith he "obtained a good report" (Heb.11:2).
From all this it is clear that Abraham believed what God told him and was counted righteous -- as we now know, through a redemption still to be wrought by Christ. We, now, must believe what God tells us -- and this is nothing less than the account of the all-sufficient finished work of Christ, wrought in our behalf, on Calvary's cross.
"[He] was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification" (Rom.4:25).
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