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20-REV. 17 THE GREAT *****
Rev 17:1-18 1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great ***** that sitteth upon many waters:
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
The above verses have already been thoroughly explained in previous chapters. We have proven without doubt that the ***** of verse one is the church of Rome, and the many waters are the many peoples, nations, and tongues that support her. Again we have also proven that the church of Rome is that institution which has committed fornication with the kings of this earth, and that all those who have accepted her false doctrines are as it were drunk with the influence of the same. What is the effect of alcohol, but to benumb the senses, and warp the perception of the user. Those who accept the false doctrines of the church of Rome, have benumbed their spiritual senses, and cannot have a clear perception of God.
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Here we are brought again to the seven headed beast, which is ridden, or controlled by a women, which is of course BABYLON THE GREAT, the church of Rome. As mentioned in an earlier chapter, the seven heads representing the seven major kingdoms, or beasts if you will, through which Satan has carried out his rebellion against God in this earth. The beasts being those kingdoms which existed in relation to God’s people on earth, and most often persecuted God’s people through a government which combined the power of a false religion with the state. The church of Rome being that masterpiece of Satan’s work which maintained a continuity of his rebellion from the era of the old covenant before Christ’s appearance, into the era of the new covenant of grace established by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The church of Rome is this masterpiece of Satan’s work, which, while claiming to be the voice of Christ in this earth, repudiates all that Christ established by way of her false doctrines.
Papal Rome is the connecting link between all of the beasts of the books of Daniel and the Revelation. The seven beasts, and the seven heads, and the seven mountains, which we will examine shortly. It was by absorbing the pagan rites and ceremonies of these ancient kingdoms, that of sun worship in particular into apostate Christianity, that she maintained Satan’s continuity of rebellion against God in this world. Just as God has preserved the truth in this world through His servants, the Son of God being the chief cornerstone of this truth, so Satan has sought to maintain a continuity of rebellion through the false religions of this world. Just as Satan usurps the authority of God, desiring himself to be God(Isa. 14:12-14), so his church, the church of Rome usurps the civil authority of the kings of the earth in order to persecute God’s own within the earth. Let us continue our examination.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Verses four through six only establish more firmly that the woman riding this beast is none other than the church of Rome. The attire of this woman is easily identified with the church of Rome. Her cup filled with the abominations and filthiness of her fornication, we have already discussed in previous chapters. Her title- MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH, is easy enough to explain. She is the masterpiece of Satan’s mystery of iniquity(2Thess. 2:7), the mother of all apostate religious institutions which usurp the authority of the state for the furtherance of their goals, and the mother of all who do so through the deception of abominable false doctrines.
We have already shown that she is guilty of shedding the blood of countless saints. Especially considering that it is the spirit to do so within her, that also motivated all of the beasts before her to do the same. That is, the spirit of Satan, the father of lies, as apposed to the Spirit of God, sent to His own from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, who is the way, the truth, and the life.
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Verse seven starts with an angel telling John that he will explain to him the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carries her. The angel tells John that the beast which he saw was, and is not, and yet is. He also says that all those whose names are not written in the book of life, will wonder after the beast. They will wonder at the fact in particular, that it was, and is not, and yet is. All of this should seem very familiar to the reader, it is very similar to what was said about the first beast of Revelation thirteen.
The first beast of Rev. thirteen also has seven heads and ten horns. One of the heads of the beast of Rev. thirteen receives a deadly wound to it’s head, but the deadly wound is healed, and all the world wonders after the beast. In chapter sixteen we discussed how the papacy received a deadly wound to the head, which was, and is being healed. To all outward appearance, it seemed as though the papacy was at it’s end. However, today it is rising to a pinnacle of power greater than that of which it possessed in the past. This is what the above verses are addressing. It can be nothing else, for it is regarding the exact same beast as that of the first beast of Rev. thirteen.
As pointed out in chapter seventeen of this book, it is the second beast of Rev. thirteen that helps to raise the papacy back into a position of dominance in this world. The U.S. is that second beast, and it is well on it’s way to re-establishing the papacy as a world power by speaking just like the dragon, under the heavy influence of the church of Rome. Thus our government is filled with Roman Catholic politicians, who have recently been admonished by the Pope to get back in line with the teachings of the church of Rome. See- DOCTRINAL NOTE on some questions regarding The Participation of Catholics in Political Life. (Rome, from the Offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, November 24, 2002, the Solemnity of Christ the King. X Joseph Card. RATZINGER Prefect , X Tarcisio BERTONE, S.D.B. Archbishop Emeritus of Vercelli Secretary)
Verse eight says that the beast that was, and is not, shall ascend out of the bottomless pit. The word pit, is many times associated with the grave in the bible. The fact that this beast that was, and is not, and yet is, and ascends out of the bottomless pit, is an obvious link to some sort of resurrection that will take place concerning this beast, that will be for the purpose of going into perdition. More on this later.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
If, as the writer has suggested, the seven heads of the dragon represented the seven kingdoms of this world through which Satan has carried out his rebellion against God, then what are the seven mountains of the above scripture? The seven heads, are seven mountains, and if the seven heads are kingdoms, then the seven mountains should be also. The question is, do the scriptures ever equate a mountain, with a kingdom? The answer is yes.
Isa 66:20-23 20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.
22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Dan 2:35 35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
Zech 8:3 3 Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.
The kingdom of God is referred to as a great and holy mountain. Isaiah speaks of God’s holy mountain Jerusalem in the new heaven and earth. The prophecy of Daniel above speaks of the stone that smote the great image, which was Christ, becoming a great mountain and filling the entire earth, that is the kingdom of God on earth after Christ’s return. Zechariah speaks of Zion and Jerusalem as the holy mountain. The holy mountain therefore, is the kingdom of God. See also- Ps 48:1-2, Isa 2:2-3, Isa 11:9, Isa 30:29, Isa 56:7-8, Isa 57:13-15, Isa 65:25, Ezek 17:23, Ezek 20:40, Dan 9:16, Joel 2:1, Joel 3:17.
The seven heads and the seven mountains are seven kingdoms. They are the seven kingdoms through which Satan has carried out his rebellion against God on this earth. Satan was himself kicked out of the kingdom of God, that is His holy mountain. He has therefore tried to counterfeit, or rival God’s kingdom with his own on this earth. Observe the following.
Ezek 28:14-15 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Ezek 28:16 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Back to Revelation.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
The seven kings are also these same kingdoms, or beasts if you will. The prophecy is given from the time of the sixth kingdom, for five have fallen, the one that is, is the sixth, and one is yet to come, which is of course the seventh. The book of Daniel addresses four of these kingdoms or beasts. Chapter two and seven of the book of Daniel cover the history of these four kingdoms with the different metals of chapter two, and the different beasts of chapter seven. Babylon is the head of gold of chapter two, and the lion of chapter seven. The Medes and Persians are the arms and chest of silver in chapter two, and the bear of chapter seven. The kingdom of Greece is the belly and thighs of brass in chapter two, and the leopard with four heads in chapter seven. The kingdom of Rome the legs and feet of iron and clay of chapter two, and the indescribable beast of chapter seven.
The book of Daniel actually addresses five of the seven beasts that we are discussing. The prophecies concerning the fourth beast, that is the Roman empire, embrace both pagan and papal Rome, without making a clear distinction between the two. While the papacy is clearly identified as an individual entity growing out of the ten horns of pagan Rome through the prophecy of the little horn of Daniel 7, it is not referred to as a beast until the book of Revelation chapter 13. That is, until the establishment of the new covenant by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The papacy being that beast which maintained the continuity of Satan’s rebellion in this earth, in the transition from the old to the new covenant. The transition from the pagan sun worshipping beast of the old covenant, to the papal sun worshipping beast of the new covenant. These things we have discussed already in earlier chapters.
The book of Revelation is concerned with the true and apostate churches of the new covenant era, and their effects upon this world. We started examining the book of Revelation in chapter twelve, where we see the conflict between the dragon and Christ here on earth. How that the dragon would make war with those who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ (Rev. 12:17). Chapter 13 begins with a beast arising out of the sea, which we have identified as papal Rome. This is the fifth beast, or head of the dragon which receives a mortal wound to the head. This wound is healed however, with the help of the second beast of Rev. 13. This fifth beast is the one who was and is not and yet is, because his mortal wound is healed. This fifth beast will also be the seventh beast. Thus it was, is not, and yet is.
The second beast of Rev. 13 is actually the sixth beast of biblical prophecy. The biblical prophecies of the old covenant revealing four of the beasts of the old covenant era, and giving details of the fifth but not yet identifying it as a beast. The biblical prophecies of the new covenant reveal the existence of three more beast powers. The fifth, papal Rome. The sixth, which we have already identified as the United States in a previous chapter, which is the second of Rev. 13. It is through the power of this sixth beast, that the fifth beast is brought back to life if you will. Thus creating a seventh beast, or head of the dragon if you will. For the beasts, the heads of the dragon, and the mountains are all the same entities. They are the seven kingdoms through which Satan has, and will continue to carry out his rebellion against God in this world, until Christ returns and sets up His eternal and all encompassing kingdom.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
We have already explained, that the beast that was, and is not, and yet is, is the revival, or resurrection if you will, of the fifth beast. A form of government, or cooperation between governments, controlled or ridden by the church of Rome. This would make the church of Rome the machinator of both the fifth, and seventh beasts. How then can this same power also be an eighth beast? Observe the following from the book THE WOMAN AND THE BEAST IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION, by Louis F. Were.
“The beast of Rev. 12, 13 and 17 has only seven heads, and to look for an actual eighth head betrays a failure to grasp the essential feature of the remarkable prophecy of Rev. 17. There is not to be an eighth head; the seventh head is numbered eighth because of its symbolic meaning....................
Thus by following the principle that Rev. 17 particularly mentions the things of Babylon as they relate to Jesus, we now see that the number eight used in relation to the coming of the beast out of its state of death in a likeness to the resurrection of Jesus,....................................................
As with the number 6, which we find significantly employed throughout many places of Holy Writ, so the number eight is also employed significantly in the scriptures as the symbol of the Lord's resurrection and triumph over His enemies. This fact is well-known to those who have given consideration to the numeric system, which is clearly revealed in the Bible. By knowing that the number eight is the Bible symbol of the Lord's resurrection and triumph over His enemies, we can grasp the meaning of Rev. 17:11, which reads: "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is one of the seven, and goes into perdition." This beast that received a "death stroke" and whose deadly wound is to be healed and all the world wonder after it, according to Rev. 13, is described in Rev. 17 as having a resurrection: thus imitating the death and resurrection of Jesus. As Jesus triumphed over His enemies and rose in glorious power to use that power to save His people, so this beast will emerge from its place of death to a position of even greater power, which it will seek to employ for the destruction of the people of God.” (Chapter 12, page 113&114)
Without a doubt, the fifth beast which is also the first beast of Rev. 13, which received a deadly wound to it’s head, is brought back to life with the help of the sixth beast, which is the second beast of the book of Revelation. For the beast was, is not, and yet is. If this is not al allusion to a resurrection, what is? If in fact, the number eight in some way represents the resurrection or new beginnings, then the above written by Louis Were is certainly tenable.
Observe the following quotes from the Complete and Updated CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH-
The day of the Resurrection: the new creation
2174 Jesus rose from the dead “on the first day of the week.” Because it is the “first day,” the day of Christ’s Resurrection recalls the first creation. Because it is the “eighth day” following the Sabbath, it symbolizes the new creation ushered in by Christ’s resurrection. For Christians it has become the first day of all days, the first of all feasts, the Lord’s Day (he kuriake hemera, dies dominica)- Sunday:
We all gather on the day of the sun, for it is the first day [ after the Jewish Sabbath, but also the first day] when God, separating matter from darkness, made the world; and on this same day Jesus Christ our Savior rose from the dead. ( Article 3, THE THIRD COMMANDMENT, p. 581)
2191 The Church celebrates the day of Christ’s Resurrection on the “eighth day,” which is rightly called the Lord’s day (cf. SC 106).( Article 3, THE THIRD COMMANDMENT, IN BRIEF, p. 586)
The church of Rome herself connects the number eight with the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Applying the number eight to the day of the sun, which she claims to have sanctified by the power of God, which she believes she wields. This is all wholly extra biblical.
Having already thoroughly proven that Sunday sacredness came about through the amalgamation of apostate Christianity and sun worshipping paganism, we know the above statements to be a lie. How fitting though, that the church of Rome should connect the number of the resurrection, eight, to the day of the sun which she has exalted. For, it is when this abomination of desolation is set up by law, by the kings of this earth, that the power of the Papacy will truly be resurrected to the prominence it once usurped. Remember, it was the Sunday laws enacted by the Roman empire, that fully gave the power of the state to the church of Rome. It will be the same act in the future, that will give her this same power on a world wide scale. Thus fully establishing and resurrecting the power which the Papacy once wielded over the subjects of her domain, on a global scale.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
This event is yet future. The seventh beast, or head, or mountain has not yet fully developed, though it is well on it’s way. Perhaps some day the G-8, will be a G-10. Just speculation of course. What ever these ten horns turn out to represent, they will end up giving their power to the beast for an apparently short time, as the next verse points out.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
They will all agree to give their power and strength to the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
This confederation will make open warfare with the Lord Jesus Christ through attacking his people on this earth. This would be those who “ keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ” (Rev. 12:17). They are the ones with whom the dragon is at war.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the ***** sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
This includes all the peoples of this earth, whose names are not written in the book of life (Rev. 17:8). For this is Satan’s final world wide rebellion against the Lamb of God. It is a time in which every decision shall be made for or against the Lamb. Then the end shall come with the voice of the archangel, and the trump of God (1Th.4:16).
Joel 3 14Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. 15The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. 16The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. 17So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the ***** , and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
This is a drastic change in the attitude of these ten horns. A few verses earlier they were said to all have one mind, which was to give their power and strength over to the beast. The ***** controls the beast, and these ten horns are said to hate her, and basically destroy her. This must be at a point in time when these ten horns realize that they were deceived by the ***** , into giving their power unto the beast which she controlled. Though they join her in making war with the Lamb, when they realize that the lamb will overcome them, they will turn on her, for, as the next verse points out, “God hath put it in their hearts to fulfill his will”.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
Thus the ten horns will give their power and strength unto the beast, until they realize, to late I might add, that they have made the wrong choice. After which, they will turn on the ***** , and destroy her. It will be to late for them because all of this time, God’s faithful will have been pointing out the truth of who the beast and the ***** really are, but they would not listen.
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
This is in reference to the spiritual city of the church of Rome. As a matter of fact though, the Vatican, which is the visible head of the church of Rome, is in literal Rome. The above verse therefore can be taken literally, or figuratively without error. We shall now proceed to the next chapter of Revelation.
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A New World Order is about to start; Are you ready?
We believe we are the only ministry online that provides a Christian with all the knowledge on future events needed to prepare for the Second Coming.
To me statements like this makes the radon meter go off scale.
Danial was told to....
Daniel 12:9
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
and we are also reminded....
{Dt.13:1} If there arise in the midst of thee a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and he give thee a sign or a wonder, {2} and the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; {3} thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or unto that dreamer of dreams: for Jehovah your God proveth you, to know whether ye love Jehovah your God with all your heart and with all your soul. {4} Ye shall walk after Jehovah your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.
And remember these words.....
Acts.1
[6] When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
[7] And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
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A New World Order is about to start; Are you ready?
Hello Barry
The Most Unreasonable
Prophecy of the Century is About to Be Fulfilled:
John Paul II Will be the Next Pope
World's Last Chance adamantly foretells why Benedict will be the last human pope. The next pope will be John Paul II impersonated. The ministry believes this prophecy will bring about Universal Sunday Laws which will accelerate the final conflict immediately before Christ's Second Coming.
We believe we are the only ministry online that provides a Christian with all the knowledge on future events needed to prepare for the Second Coming.
We do not fear the future. It believes that Bible prophecy has revealed all the main events that will happen before the Second Coming. This rapid succession of events will begin as soon as the next pope appears who will be a demon impersonating John Paul II.
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We want to make sure the world knows where we stand before it happens. It sounds ridiculous now but once it happens people will realize how accurate Bible prophecy is. The next pope will have a demonic agenda to call for Sunday Laws. These laws rebel against the Saturday Sabbath of God's eternal law.
For close to two years we have posted a study, Next and Last Pope, which is yet to be refuted. This study explains from the Bible why World's Last Chance believes the next pope will be a demon impersonating John Paul II.
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