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oneinchrist
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Hi Timothy Neil,
Its nice to meet you.
The big question "Why do we claim to know that we need God, but we do not desire Him?"
Is it that "sin" could be the answer for both? We claim to know that we need God because we know that we are sinners. We do not desire Him because "sin" has been our very essence and way of life for so long.
I think you hit it right on the button when you stated that God desires our obedience, not just sympathetic emotion. Consider the command to repent which is for every man everywhere. Is it enough just for me to say....Oh, Lord I am sorry? or do I need to obey the Lord and turn from my sin? What happens if I say "Im sorry Lord", but I continue on in willful sin? Have I ever truely repented?
Perhaps many people dont ever grow a desire for the Lord because they dont choose to obey Him and His will.
With love in Christ, Daniel
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Michael Harrison
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God did confer with Abraham. He included him as part of the decision making process, as one who loved His creation, and in His love, entrusted the same to make decisions. Here is the same description as was indicated when Jesus washed the feet of the desciples.
God is not pompous! The Pharisees served a pompous God. Therefore God recognized that He was not who they were looking for (though they didn't). In fact, He rode into town on a lowly donkey to further His point! God loves and interacts with His people. Anyone who wants to serve a pompous God can find a suitable denomination out there even today and go for it! Here is the true meaning of the blind leading the blind.
But dominion on earth is not the correct way to say it, not if the concept is that it will overwhelm mankind. (That would be like the Jokofawitnesses.) Rather: Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, in His Kingdom, that is, in His saints, here on the earth, until after His second coming and His Kingdom is established.
I don't think that you mean that the kingdom will come like the people thought when Jesus was here performing miracles.
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Thanks for the posts Kindgo.
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Kindgo
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http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/MylesMunroe.html
Myles Munroe Myles Munroe teaches that God needs our permission to work on earth. He also teaches that angels need our permission as well to do their jobs.
For example, he teaches that God sought Abraham for permission to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. In their make believe interaction according to Myles Munroe, God told Abraham, "You got it! You're the man! Once you're satisfied and give me permission I will act."This is absurd to think that an Almighty and Sovereign God needs our permission to act in His universe!
Think about it my friend, is this not the height of arrogance? What does the bible have to say about the sovereign plan of God and the vain efforts of man that try to subvert it?"And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?" Daniel 4:35, see also Isaiah 43:3, Psalm 115:3, 135:6. Whom will you believe, God or Myles Munroe?
Benny Hinn made the following endorsements after these incredibly blasphemous statements by Myles Munroe: "Man! That is absolutely awesome! Dear God!...That's incredible! That's incredible! Wow!...Wow! Wow! Wow!...This is so amazing!...Are you getting blessed like I am, dear Jesus." Myles Munroe: "That's why angel's need our permission to function.
It says they are here to do our bidding. They can't even act without our permission, you see. But, here's the bigger statement: Even God Himself is illegal on earth.
Why?
Because, He is a spirit and the law He set up by His own mouth was that only spirits with bodies can function on earth legally."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) "Why can't God take care of Pharaoh by Himself?
Why can't God invade that government and disrupt that process and set them free by Himself? He is illegal. So God then has to get the attention of a human first. Then spend hours, maybe even days trying to convince this one human to work with Him.
Moses came up with every single excuse he could find and gave them. And Almighty God tolerated him, saying, 'Look, if you can't talk, I will speak for you. If you got problems, I'll solve them for you. If you're afraid, I'll give you courage. In other words, whatever you need, please work with me! Cause I want to do something. Give me your body.'"(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) "So, even though God can do anything, He can only do what you permit Him to do.
If you study the Word of God, you will see why it makes so much sense. For example, God has done nothing on earth without a human co-operating with Him. He had to find a human. When God for example wanted to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah...Go ahead and destroy it! No! He [God] was illegal.
He had to find a human to give Him access and ageement to release His power. So, then God had to negotiate with a man in Abraham. They argued for a long time!...Abraham figured it out. Abraham said, 'Ahh, Haa! Okay, so I'll tell you what! Before I give you permission [Abraham gives God permission!] to touch that city, if I could find 50 men, 40, 30, 10.' He said, 'I'm dealing, and God had to deal with a man.' And he said, 'If I could only find one.' God says, 'You got it! You're the man! Once you're satisfied and give me permission I will act."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004)
"When you study Moses or any human that has been successful with God, you will find this dependency God has on humanity. God says, 'Moses, quickly agree with me. Because your brother, your nephew is on the way. We got to get this work done. I need a human to agree.'
As soon as Moses agrees with God, God says, 'Okay, let's Go.'"(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) "Let me define prayer for you in this show. Prayer is man giving God permission or license to interfere in earth's affairs. In other words, prayer is earthly license for heavenly interference."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004)
"Heaven depends on earth for interference. If He [God] could just find two people like you [Benny Hinn] and I to agree. We agree for God to do this thing. Then God says, 'Thank you very much for permission!' Then He [God] can come."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) "Our prayer is a strange experience.
We normally ask God to do things, God is telling us to command Him permission to do it for us."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) "God could do nothing on earth, nothing has God ever done on earth without a human giving Him access."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) "He [God] could not name those animals because He [God] is illegal."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004)
"O' Lord, heal this man. God says, 'No! No! No! Talk to the sickness, I am already healing the guy. What I need is permission to get the healing on earth.'"(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) Myles Munroe: "Jesus was necessary for Christ."Benny Hinn: "Wait! Wait! Wait! Wait! Pastor, slow down. What you mean is."Myles Munroe: "Jesus made Christ legal on the earth. Jesus was the body."Benny Hinn: "Has he always been this deep here? It's amazing what he's saying. So, So, repeat that."Myles Munroe:
"Christ is God's Spirit, that's why Christ needed a body to come to earth legally."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) "Every sick person is already healed. That's why you don't really have to lay hands on a million of people in India to heal them. You don't have to, they are already healed. What God's problem is, is getting the healing to earth."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) "When a human gets healed and becomes well again, God Himself is able to stay here legally longer."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) "Every spirit is trying to find a body. Can I give you another shocker? [Benny Hinn: You bet!]
Even the Holy Spirit, because He cannot function here without a body. That's why your called the body of Christ. And it says our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Cause He Himself needs to be legal to function."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004)
"In other words, Moses had to initiate the action for God to produce the product."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) "God says, 'If my people,' now if means, 'I would like to fix this, but I can't fix this without a human giving me permission.'"(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) "Interfering in earth by God is totally up to us...Heaven is waiting on earth to get things done."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 13, 2004) "What is faith? Faith is believing in what you said, that God told you. In other words, the fight is to keep believing after you said something."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) "That's why your [Benny Hinn] healing ministry is necessary. God could heal people by Himself as a spirit with power. But it's illegal to do it on earth. So, He needs a human agency. What does laying your hands on a human to do with healing? Well, really nothing. We touch you you all the time but your sick. What He's looking for is permission! The power to heal is always present, but having permission to heal is held up by humanity and their lack of faith."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) "God made a promise to Satan, I paraphrase again, I believe God said it this way in my spirit. He said, 'Satan, you know I can't come in right now because I'm a spirit. And if I came in now as a spirit I would violate my Word, break my Word, and I would never be able to be trusted again with my Word. But, I'll make a promise, and the promise is: the same woman that you used to destroy my program on earth for humanity. I'm going to use the same woman and I'm going to put my seed in her womb and she'll build around me a physical dirt body. And I will become legal in the earth. And then legal, I will then come in legally and crush your authority legally."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) "Satan himself knew that in order for him to fuction on this earth that he needed a body also. That's why he had to go to the serpent which had a dirt body and negotiated with the serpent to borrow his body for awhile. And he did, and that's why God cursed the serpent cause the serpent literally loaned his body to the Adversary, who's a spirit, in order to do buisness legally with Eve."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004) "It bothered me, I'm sure it bothered you [Benny Hinn] for years as a pastor. If God is so mighty, powerful, awesome, omnipotent, omniscient, why couldn't this mighty God who made 500 million planets and galaxies couldn't stop a skinny little woman from picking the fruit and destroying His whole program? I mean, God aren't you powerful? You could intervene, you can destroy the works of the devil, prevent the woman and save humanity. But He couldn't! Not that He didn't, He couldn't!..."(Myles Munroe, "This Is Your Day," Benny Hinn, July 12, 2004)
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Kindgo
Inside the will of God there is no failure. Outside the will of God there is no success.
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TimothyNeil Welcome! ![[Kiss]](graemlins/Kiss.gif)
http://www.intotruth.org/res/tract2.html
Ten Reasons to Reject Kingdom-Dominion Teachings
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Kindgo
Inside the will of God there is no failure. Outside the will of God there is no success.
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I am new to this forum. Just wanted introduce myself. I am TimothyNeil. The Kingdom of God and His righteousness is my life. I am really excited to fellowship online with other Kingdom citizens.
I was asked by one of my friends why is that we claim to know that we need God, but seem to lack a true desire for Him?
Here is my response:
Why don't we desire God, even though we claim to know that we need Him? We sing to Him, speak highly of how He created the celestial(heavenly)and terrestrial(earth) realms, we call Him Lord(owner as in land lord) of our lives, we claim to serve Him, we make our petitions known before Him, and yet we don't truly desire Him in our hearts. What a tragedy! Now, it is understandably religious to be sad on the behalf of God in reference to these comments. We may all think, "We breathe His air, eat His food, and live on His earth but yet have no true desire for fellowship with Him. We just take advantage of God! How sad!" On the contrary, how utterly amusing is it for us to assume that we are even remotely capable of taking advantage of God, yet know not Him? That is actually called ignorance. We must all be reminded that man will always need God in order to function in accordance to his original design. Yet, God has and always will desire to see man, who is His creation, cooperate with Him and function properly in accordance to man's original design that was in His heart at man's creation. Therein lies the key difference in the relational schema between God(Abba-the source) and His creation man. Man(the seed) always needs God(the ground/sustaining source). The reverse is never true. In other words, God desires our obedience and cooperation, rather than our sympathy
Let me bring to your attention this scripture, "As a man thinks in his heart, so is he".(Prov 23:7)
Examine this scripture closely and you'll see that "...a man thinks in his heart...". If a man thinks in his heart, then the heart is the mind. This truth locates thoughts and desires in the same place, the heart. But we now know that the heart is the mind. Now with all this in mind, let me answer the question I asked by posing another question. Is it possible to know that we need God without desiring Him? It is possible to claim something or someone that we don't know? Furthermore, who of us knows anything at all save(except) God(the Creator) first makes it known?
The answer to these questions is that we needed God in order to even come into the knowledge that we need Him. Hence Christ(anointed King) told peter, " ...flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father(Abba/source) which is in heaven."(Matt 16:17) This truth may seem simple, but it illustrates the strict dependency we have on God, the King of Heaven and Earth. This statement holds true whether or not we acknowledge it. You see, the key to dominion on earth for all of us, nonetheless, is acknowledging God's original intent, will, and purposes for our lives. This also encompasses our desire for the "things" we seek instead of God's Kingdom and righteousness. But, in order to acknowledge we must first ac(t)-(in)-knowledge of God's original purpose for mankind. This brings us to a new question: What was God's original purpose, intent, and will for mankind? Please Comment. You can also comment on this post @ my blogspot www.kingdom2rule.com
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