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becauseHElives
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He always RAISED the bar, never lowered it. Literal adherence to the law is a far, far lower obedience than pursuing a changed heart.
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but on the matter of the Roman Catholic Church.... she is the Great Harlot spoken of in Scripture, and she is the mother of all denominations.
The True Church (members collectively world wide) have no division.
By that I mean, no matter where a True Child of Yahweh is (anyone blood bought by Yeshua) is they recognize another Believer by their love of the Commandments of Yahweh and their love to those around them
They do not divide themselves because of denomination.
I’m Baptist
I’m Pentecost
I’m Roman Catholic
I’m Church of Christ
Ect….
They will know my disciples by their love for Yahweh's Commandments....
Yeshua said if you love me keep my Commandments.
They will know my disciples by their love for one another....
not by their division
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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )
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oneinchrist
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lol, I cut myself off
But in Christ, there should be a higher consciousness of Gods laws as we see and understand Gods well meaning behind them.
With love in Christ, Daniel
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oneinchrist
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Hi guys,
By the way this is my off day...that is why I have this extra time on the computer..lol
Sometimes I think that the misunderstanding on the law comes from the ways that some interpret the writings of Paul. I do think it necessary to understand that when Paul witnessed to Jews that were prideful and self-righteous according to the law, that Paul was everso determined to tear down that way of thinking that it almost at times made it appear that it was the law that was the enemy, but it really wasnt the law, it was the way that they regarded the law. In all truth, the law was to love God, and love your neighbor..... what flaw can we find in that? All of Gods laws are Holy, perfect, and just. By Gods forgiveness thru Christ, the laws of God should become to us a light to our path....and an ever increasing force to our conscience.
When I hear someone downplay the old testament law it makes me wonder if they do the same thing towards the gospel message of Jesus Christ. Certainly Jesus gives us commands to follow,
and if we love Him, we should seek to obey them.
I do realize that there are laws in the old testament that are for a specific people for a specific purpose, but when God revealed the ten commandments, that was for everybody.
So doing the ten commandments alone, without faith in Christ is to no eternal value. You are just a good citizen.
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Hello again, becausehelives. I just reread your message, and I missed the part in which you characterized the Roman Catholic Church as a wh... Please, please, please be careful about judging other sisters and brothers in the Lord. It is not good what you said, and I cannot, under any circumstances be in agreement with it. The Catholic Church has done some awful things, as has every other expression of the body of Christ throughout history. We are all in need of God's grace. We have all offended Him and played the wh... at one time or another. Judging is a dangerous thing, BecauseHeLives, because you reap what you sow. ANd it is simply wrong, especially for a Christian, to broadbrush a whole group of people that way. Jesus warned that those who call another a fool are in grave danger. How much more serious is it to call a whole church a wh...?
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Good morning brother or sister! In essence, I have absolutely no argument with what you have said. I sense in you a person who loves the Lord and seeks to please Him in all things, and that is the heart of the matter. I love the sermon on the mount because Jesus literally gets to the "heart" of the matter. "You have heard it said ... But I tell you ..." He always RAISED the bar, never lowered it. Literal adherance to the law is a far, far lower obedience than pursuing a changed heart. The law is not God. THe law is God's instrument. I think the error of the Pharisees was to worship the instrument rather than the creator of the instrument. And why? It is much, much easier to follow a list of rules than to engage in a love relationship. Love demands so much more!
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becauseHElives
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"Reason and common sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy of Sunday. Compromise is impossible."--"The Catholic Mirror," December 23, 1893
You miss the understanding of the “Law”, by which I refer to the Ten Commandments.
The Law is perfect…
Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
The law is the school master that brings us to the end of ourselves and to the foot of the cross for the only real peace mankind can every truly find.
The Law of “Love” is the greatest Law but like Yeshua said “if you love Yahweh with all you heart, with all you are and you love your neighbor as yourself, you will fulfill all the Law and the Prophets.”
Understanding any Law by the Spirit will bring life but trying to keep the letter of the Law will always bring death.
A Born Again Believer claims to be born anew by the Spirit of the Living God Yahweh but claim the can not keep the Law or do not have to keep the Law.
Did not Yeshua say …
Matthew 5:
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.<1096>
It seems to be the 4th Commandment that people have the greatest problem with ….
And it is the 4th Commandment that the Roman Catholic Wh!ore completely changed
http://www.pathlights.com/theselastdays/tracts/tract_22a.htm
JOHN 15 [8] Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.[9] As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.[10] If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1JOHN 5 [2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
his commandments are not grievous.
Does anyone think any of the 10 commandments are grievous?
When done out of Love nothing is hard, nothing .
The flesh wars against the flesh, the flesh hates the Law, the flesh is weak but we have been given the Spirit of Yahweh to abide in us and us in Him that we may walk in the Spirit and not fulfill the lust and weaknesses of the flesh.
How hard is remembering the Sabbath and to keep it Holy (separate) from other days.
I may have a job that requires me to work , physical labor for monetary gain to feed my family but everyone on that job should still know this day is special to me, set apart unto Yahweh my Father. (Love will find away)
Matt 5:17 (av) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.<4137>
Yahushua tells us to not even THINK he came to destroy the law or prophets. Let alone believe it! If you say that He came and abolished the law, then you are saying He came to destroy. In fact, the dictionary defines the word "Abolish" as "To destroy completely". The meaning of fulfill here is to "obey". For instance, if I told my daughter to do something and she did it, then she has "fulfilled" or obeyed my request. Here is an instance of Yahushua fulfilling something:
Matt 8:16 (av) When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with [his] word, and healed all that were sick: 17 (av) That it might be fulfilled <4137> which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying, "Himself took our infirmities, and bare [our] sicknesses." (Isa. 53:4)
You see, Yahushua fulfilled or "obeyed" the scripture that was speaking of Him. He also obeyed the law. We should do likewise. In fact, we are told to fulfill the law:
Romans 13:8 - Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Therefore, we are also to fulfill the law just as He did.
1 John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
Continuing in Matthew 5:
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.<1096>
Now here is a little trick by the translators. They translate the word fulfill here again even though it does not come from the same Greek word as the "fulfill" above. They try to get us to believe that since Messiah fulfilled the law, that one jot and one tittle has passed from the law (or been taken away). This Greek word is translated "be" 253 times, "come to pass" 82 times and fulfilled 3 times. It is never used in reference to Yahushua fulfilling anything in the law and prophets.
Therefore the meaning of this is that not one iota of the law will pass away until everything comes to pass. Clearly there is more to come. The day will come when men will have no need for the law and prophets because the sinful nature will be no more. Until then, we all have this sinful nature that we must fight and overcome by the power of Yahushua in us. Therefore we still need the law and prophets to help guide us into the path of righteousness. Many say that we need no law now that we have Yahweh's Spirit. But truly Yahweh's words ARE Spirit and are life. (John 6:63) And surely David had Yahweh's Spirit (Psalms 51:11) and yet he still looked to the Law for guidance (e.g. Psalm 19).
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Notice here it says "these" commandments! What are "these" commandments?
The commandments found in the law and prophets!
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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )
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