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Brotherbrown
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I see Phil awhole lot differently than most.
The equality they were speaking of was because Jesus totally submitted to God, and because God was in Christ telling Him what to say and what to do.
2 Cor 5:19
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
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John 8:29
29 "And He who sent Me is with Me. The Father has not left Me alone, for I always do those things that please Him."
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John 12:48-50
48 "He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him-- the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
49 "For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.
50 "And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak."
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I think most forget that God left Jesus to die on the cross alone.
Matt 27:46
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?"
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And all this was a demonstration to us that God will work through us if we submit.
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Thunderz7
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Good Newsforall,
as you did, one has to go on to the following verses to get to the point.
>On v6 alone<
KJV: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
ASV: who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
>I get just the opposite out of these two translations<
but going further, as you did, the light comes on.
Eden,
I can remember a time when I kept hearing people, mostly preachers and pastors, using and speaking of the M. Henry Commentary.
So I just had to get one.
It is by far the most disappointing peice of Christian literature I have ever spent money on.
So many things like the section you brought out.
I thought I was getting a bag of gold nuggets,
I was so let down.
T7
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Eden
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Hi, Thunderz7. In the MHC quote, it said the following:
“His whole life was a life of poverty and suffering.”
Eden here:
I wouldn’t exactly call Jesus’s life a life of “poverty” and a whole life of “suffering”. He dined at some very nice houses, the lanscape was beautiful, He did miracles, He was a majesty to behold and handle:
1 John 1:1
That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, the Word of life.
2 Peter 1:16
For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty.
I would say that Jesus Himself was having an amazing time, seeing His people, being in Israel; and, to be sure, He was troubled in spirit when He was near His cross work, but before that, Jesus must have had an amazing time in His life.
So to repeat what MHC said:
“His whole life was a life of poverty and suffering.”
I think that Jesus lived very well, dined well, and was surrounded by beautiful people until the last part of His life.
With love,
Eden
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Good NewsforAll
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quote:
Originally posted by Thunderz7:
MHC: 2:5-11 The example of our Lord Jesus Christ is set before us. We must resemble him in his life, if we would have the benefit of his death. Notice the two natures of Christ; his Divine nature, and human nature. Who being in the form of God, partaking the Divine nature, as the eternal and only-begotten Son of God, Joh 1:1, had not thought it a robbery to be equal with God, and to receive Divine worship from men. His human nature; herein he became like us in all things except sin. Thus low, of his own will, he stooped from the glory he had with the Father before the world was. Christ's two states, of humiliation and exaltation, are noticed.
By this statement it looks like the author considered Jesus to be of two natures while living on this earth.
He totally gave up his divine nature as being a supreme being. When he was walking on this earth he walked totally as a human, and like us, was unable to do anything without the power of God. Even though he was sinless he was tempted in every area, showing the same weakness as a human being.
Phil. 2:7 explains his human nature very clearly.
( NLT)7 Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being.
(KJV) 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
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The Pharisees tell us what not to do. Jesus tells us what to do.
Romans 10:15 As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"
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Thunderz7
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Some verses read much alike in near any version you read,
this one not as much so.
Looking for some thoughts on this -
Philippians 2:6 from several translations
NASB: who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, (NASB ©1995)
GWT: Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality.(GOD'S WORD®)
KJV: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
ASV: who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
BBE: To whom, though himself in the form of God, it did not seem that to take for oneself was to be like God;
DBY: who, subsisting in the form of God, did not esteem it an object of rapine to be on an equality with God;
ERV: who, being in the form of God, counted it not a prize to be on an equality with God,
WEY: Although from the beginning He had the nature of God He did not reckon His equality with God a treasure to be tightly grasped.
WBS: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
WEB: who, existing in the form of God, didn't consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,
YLT: who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal to God,
a few commentaries
GSB: 2:6 Who, being in the {d} form of God, {e} thought it not robbery to be {f} equal with God:
(d) Such as God himself is, and therefore God, for there is no one in all parts equal to God but God himself.
(e) Christ, that glorious and everlasting God, knew that he might rightfully and lawfully not appear in the base flesh of man, but remain with majesty fit for God: yet he chose rather to debase himself.
(f) If the Son is equal with the Father, then is there of necessity an equality, which Arrius that heretic denies: and if the Son is compared to the Father, then is there a distinction of persons, which Sabellius that heretic denies.
PNT: 2:6 Who, being in the form of God. He refers to the state of our Savior before he took human form. His form was divine. He had a glory with the father before the world was (Joh 17:5). See Joh 1:1 2Co 4:4 Heb 1:3, etc.
Thought it not robbery to be equal with God. The Revised Version says, Counted it not a prize. The meaning is not entirely clear, but probably is that Having a form of glory like God, he did not count it a prize which must be clung to tenaciously, especially when he appeared upon the earth, that he should be equal with God, that is, appear in a divine form, but was willing to lay aside his glory and make himself a servant.
WES: 2:6 Who being in the essential form - The incommunicable nature. Of God - From eternity, as he was afterward in the form of man; real God, as real man. Counted it no act of robbery - That is the precise meaning of the words, - no invasion of another's prerogative, but his own strict and unquestionable right. To be equal with God - the word here translated equal, occurs in the adjective form five or six times in the New Testament, Mt 20:12; Lu 6:34; Joh 5:18; Ac 11:17; Re 21:16. In all which places it expresses not a bare resemblance, but a real and proper equalitg. It here implies both the fulness and the supreme height of the Godhead; to which are opposed, he emptied and he humbled himself.
MHC: 2:5-11 The example of our Lord Jesus Christ is set before us. We must resemble him in his life, if we would have the benefit of his death. Notice the two natures of Christ; his Divine nature, and human nature. Who being in the form of God, partaking the Divine nature, as the eternal and only-begotten Son of God, Joh 1:1, had not thought it a robbery to be equal with God, and to receive Divine worship from men. His human nature; herein he became like us in all things except sin. Thus low, of his own will, he stooped from the glory he had with the Father before the world was. Christ's two states, of humiliation and exaltation, are noticed. Christ not only took upon him the likeness and fashion, or form of a man, but of one in a low state; not appearing in splendour. His whole life was a life of poverty and suffering. But the lowest step was his dying the death of the cross, the death of a malefactor and a slave; exposed to public hatred and scorn. The exaltation was of Christ's human nature, in union with the Divine. At the name of Jesus, not the mere sound of the word, but the authority of Jesus, all should pay solemn homage. It is to the glory of God the Father, to confess that Jesus Christ is Lord; for it is his will, that all men should honour the Son as they honour the Father, Joh 5:23. Here we see such motives to self-denying love as nothing else can supply. Do we thus love and obey the Son of God?
T7
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