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Eden
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Hi, lonlesol. You said:
“So in other words, God's Love for His children IS conditional..."
"Therefore, IF one does not accept and believe in God's Word, one will not be saved..."
Eden here:
Yes, I think that is exactly right. Lonlesol. God’s love IS conditional, He says so Himself:
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but (IF, IF, IF)
IF ANY MAN DRAW BACK, My soul shall have no pleasure in him.
God says “whosoever will may accept Jesus, but God knows and we know that not all people will accept God’s offer through Jesus Christ on the cross.
There are many tests that God could have chosen for mankind to receive eternal life instead of Jesus dying for us, but God and Jesus chose the test of Jesus dying for our sins and of Jesus being the Son of God as the test.
And the Bible teaches in the parable of the sower that there are four kinds of people on earth in every generation since Jesus’s time, and only one of those four types of people will accept God and Jesus’s offer of eternal life IF I believe that Jesus died for me, and that Jesus was the Son of God.
To summarize, lonlesol, yes, God’s offer IS conditional on IF and on UNTO THE END.
But everyone who wants to can partake of God’s offer, although actually only one type of human can accept Him:
Matthew 13
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For truly I say to you, that many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which you see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which you hear, and have not heard them.
18 Hear therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and understands it not, then comes the wicked one, and catches away that which was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.
Eden here:
So there are some people on earth who cannot understand the offer of Jesus.
Matthew 13
20 And he who received the seed into stony places, the same is he who hears the word and right away with joy receives it.
So there are some people on earth who WILL receive the word (of Jesus dying on the cross and Jesus being the Son of God) with joy initially.
Matthew 13
21 However, he has no root in himself, but endures for a while: for when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, and by and by he is offended.
Eden here: I interpret “he has no root in himself” to mean that HE IS NOT READING the Word and HE is NOT PRAYING to the Lord and NOT LISTENING to the newly available Holy Spirit. HE HAS NO ROOT WITH HIMSELF.
Eden here: There are LOTS of people who initially believed in Jesus and then stopped believing in Jesus. Most Roman Catholic Christians, for instance, were born into Catholic Christianity but HAVE NO ROOT IN THEMSELVES.
So thus far the first type of human WAS NEVER A CHRISTIAN AT ALL because he did NOT UNDERSTAND the offer made by God and Jesus. I think MOST people on earth are in THAT category.
And the second type of human WAS A CHRISTIAN TEMPORARILY but HAD NO ROOT IN THEM, which I interpret to mean that he or she DID NOT read the Word, DID NOT pray to the Lord as their Living God, and DID NOT listen to the now-available Holy Spirit. And the third type of human on earth is next.
Matthew 13
22 He also who received seed among the thorns is he who heares the word, but the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choked the word, and he becomes unfruitful.
Eden here:
Now here is a person WHO BELIEVES in the offer made by God and Jesus, but gradually, the cares of this world, again the person most likely is NOT reading the Word and NOT praying (after all, he is rich and in need of nothing; a selfmade man or woman), and this person is spending so much time enjoying what their riches can buy, that again, there is no time for the kingdom of God, eventhough God said: “Seek you FIRST the kingdom of God”. And HE BECOMES UNFRUITFUL.
Eden here:
Unfruitful here probably means he or she still so much loves and particpates in the the WORLD’s type of pleasures and spend so much time there, that they do not bear new fruit for God because it TAKES reading and hearing the Word of God for us to change our interests from worldly interests to interested in God.
And the fourth type of human on earth is this one.
Matthew 13
23 But he who received seed into good ground is he who hears the word, and understands it; who also bears fruit, and brings forth {fruit}, some a hundredfold, some sixty-fold, and some thirty-fold.
So it is interesting to note that ONLY ONE of these four types of humans, three types believed, at least temporarily, that Jesus died for their sins and that Jesus was the Son of God, while just one group of people never understood it in the first place, which I think is the LARGEST amount of humans.
Then, there are the Christians on the earth, who are divided into three types. Two of the three types will lose their salvation again.
It is the test that causes it, and no man can change that.
To summarize, lonlesol, you said:
Hi, lonlesol. You said:
“So in other words, God's Love for His children IS conditional..."
"Therefore, IF one does not accept and believe in God's Word, one will not be saved..."
With love,
Eden
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Eden
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becauseHElives, Amen to IF, IF, IF;
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but (IF, IF, IF)
IF ANY MAN DRAW BACK, My soul shall have no pleasure in him.
Eden here:
If any man DRAW BACK, from what? From LIVING BY FAITH. If a person who currently believes later decides TO NOT BELIEVE ANYMORE that Jesus died for their sin, then the Bible speaks plainly that the LORD will have no pleasure in that person anymore.
2 Corinthians 1:13
For we write none other things unto you, that what ye read or acknowledge; and I trust you shall acknowledge even to the end.
1 Peter 1:13
Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 3:6
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, IF WE HOLD FAST the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Hebrews 3:5-7
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.
Hebrews 6:10-12 (in Context) Hebrews 6 (Whole Chapter) Revelation 2:26
And he who overcomes and keeps My works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations.
And what are His works?
John 6:29
Jesus answered and said to them, This is the work of God, that you believe on Him whom He has sent.
Eden here:
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but (IF, IF, IF),
IF ANY MAN DRAW BACK, My soul shall have no pleasure in him.
ONLY BELIEVE:
Mark 5:36
As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, He said to the ruler of the synagogue, Do not be afraid, only believe.
To summarize, becauseHElives, IF, IF, IF is a BIG< BIG< BIG< word in the Bible, let people not kid themselves about this IF.
With love,
Eden
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lonlesol
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Gods love is unconditional, but our salvation is conditional
That is exactly what I meant to say OneinChrist... ![[thumbsup2]](graemlins/thumbsup2.gif)
You are right, my wording wasn't so great... ![[updown]](graemlins/updown.gif)
Nice to meet you too!... ![[wave3]](graemlins/18.gif)
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oneinchrist
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Hi Lonlesol,
Its nice to meet you. I agree with most of what you said in your post except I guess I might have worded something just a little different. I would say that Gods love is unconditional, but our salvation is conditional....For He died for all, but not all choose to believe. With love in Christ. Daniel
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lonlesol
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So in other words, God's Love for His children IS conditionnal...
Therefore, IF one does not accept and believe in God's Word, one will not be saved...
''You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. For in just a very little while, "He who is coming will come and will not delay. But my righteous one will live by faith. And if he shrinks back, I will not be pleased with him." But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved.''...Hebrews 10:36,37,38,39
(New International Version)
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becauseHElives
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Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him:
but the just shall live by his FAITH.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but (IF, IF, IF)
if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )
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