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becauseHElives
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What Is Sin?

“People consider themselves good people only by the standards of bad people. We judge ourselves against others rather than against an absolute standard of good”.

(I Don’t Have Enough Faith To Be An Atheist. Page 397)

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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )

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quote:
Eden

How then can you say “it must be crucified” when the Bible says it already WAS crucified?

because Yeshua said...

Luk 9:23 And he said to [them] all, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

remember Eden, the only way to understand the Gospel is line upon line precept upon precept.

I've seen the two main camps concerning the OSAS (once saved always saved) debate. I don't belong to either one.

(1) Many believe that once a person gets saved they can never depart from the faith--no matter what. The scriptures don't bear that out.

Hebrews
3:12 Take heed, *brethren*, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in *DEPARTING from the living God*.
3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, *IF* we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end.

Hebrews 6:15 And so, AFTER he [Abraham] had patiently endured, he obtained the promise.

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but HE THAT ENDURETH TO THE END SHALL BE SAVED.

No need for dispensationalists to tell me that Hebrews and Matthew are for the Jews. All the word is for me.

(2) There are others who believe that once a person gets saved they can lose their salvation over and over again. I had a boss one time who said of his niece, "She needs to get saved again."

I do not belong to either of these camps.


When we enter into the blood covenant with Jesus Christ, we enter a marriage contract. Jesus is the Bridegroom and the church is His bride. Jesus will not leave us or forsake us, but He won't make us stay either. People can, and do, leave their marriage partner for some whoremonger on the side. In the Old Testament, when a woman was divorced from her husband and married another, she could not go back to her first husband (Deu 24:1-4). This is born out in the spiritual realm also. If you taste of the heavenly gift and reject it for the rudiments of this world, there is no place of repentance for you (see Heb 12:15-17).

2 Peter
2:20 For if AFTER they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is WORSE with them than the beginning.
2:21 For it had been BETTER for them NOT to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

I do not believe that this happens often.

*****YOUR HUSBAND IS HOLY*****

Yahweh is holy. We need to really think about that. Anything unholy is abominable to Him. When we get saved, God makes His abode IN us. We twain become ONE. Hallelujah and amen. He says to us in His word,

"Be ye holy, for I am holy." That is the only way me and Jesus can communicate good--if I am holy. Anything unholy in my life creates static interference.

If you love the Lord, you are to be holy, not unholy. If you love unholy, you don't love the Lord. He is ALL holy. The devil and Jesus don't mix.

Yahweh hates a mixture and too many Christians are mixing up the devil and Yeshua.

Hellivision is the most glaring, pervasive example I can come up with. Soap operas, sitcoms, movies, occultic kids cartoons, talk shows, etc. When we have intercourse with the devil we are whoring around on our Husband. Our HEARTS get hard through the deceitfulness of SIN (Heb 3:13).

Therefore, "Take heed, BRETHREN, lest there be IN ANY OF YOU AN EVIL HEART of unbelief, in DEPARTING from the living God" (Heb 3:12).

there are a number of scriptures for your consideration on this subject.


MAKE IT SURE

We are constantly exhorted in the scriptures to make our calling and election sure. To work out our salvation with fear and trembling. To examine ourselves to see if we be in the faith--because if we do these things we will never fall. We are to be steadfast, unmovable ALWAYS abounding in the work of the Lord.

2 Peter
1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, GIVE DILIGENCE to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you ABUNDANTLY into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Too many professed Christians are looking to do the MINIMUM to get into glory. Instead of living holy, they are trusting that "the sinner's prayer" and a couple of good deeds is enough. Meanwhile never internalizing the commandments of the Lord. This is the Matthew 7 group--

Matthew
7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but HE THAT DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven.
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


When people write here "doubting their salvation". The scriptures say that your heart is assured by keeping the commandments.

1 John 3:24 And he that KEEPETH HIS COMMANDMENTS dwelleth in him, and he in him. And HEREBY WE KNOW that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

BUT WHAT IF I'M NOT SURE ABOUT MY SALVATION?

When people doubt their salvation, that is their spirit telling them "All is NOT WELL! Danger! Problems!" I don't quench that by taking some Bible verses out of context. Many of those that doubt ain't saved and at a minimum are not serving the Lord in spirit and in truth. I'm not going to tell them, "Don't worry about it." I tell them "Believe in the blood and bring forth works meet for repentance."

Fear is like pain. Pain hurts, but it is good because it lets you know something is WRONG. A man may have pain in the abdomen, so he goes in to the doctor. The doctor checks him out and shouts, "Take him to the emergency room, his appendix is about to burst!" That pain prompted that man to go somewhere for HELP. When somebody comes to you doubting their salvation, that pain is prompting them to go somewhere for HELP. Diagnose the problem don't tell them "You shouldn't feel the pain, remember you
prayed the sinner's prayer." There is a PROBLEM there. Either they ain't saved or else they ain't serving the Lord or else they got some sin they need to get right.

PAIN and FEAR are good! It's okay for a man to be sorry or scared after a godly sort. Godly sorrow WORKETH REPENTANCE not to be repented of, but sorrow of the world worketh DEATH. There are people who for some medical reason cannot feel pain. These people do not live long 'cause they can't tell when something is wrong with them. Pain is unpleasant, but it is good because it indicates there is a problem.

I STRONGLY exhort you to tread carefully...

2 Peter
2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


Hebrews
10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery
indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great
recompence of reward.
10:36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Hebrews
12:15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
12:16 Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

Romans
11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Luke
9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Luke
14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,
14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
14:30 Saying, *This man began to build, and was not able to finish*.
14:31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
14:32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
14:34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
14:35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

We must study to shew ourselves approved unto God, workmen that needeth not to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth in the midst of an evil and perverse generation.


Yeshua is the Only Way to Yahweh

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becauseHElives, you said:

“Eden, you are right that no part of my old man is of any worth to Yahweh, good or bad it is worthless (it must by crucified ).”

Eden here:

The Bible declares in Romans 6:6 that the old man of believers ALREADY WAS CRUFICIED with Christ when Christ hung on the cross back in the 1st century A.D.

How then can you say “it must be crucified” when the Bible says it already WAS crucified?

Romans 8:13
For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

Will flesh eradicate flesh? Never. Flesh loves itself too much. Flesh can do NOTHING against itself.

But, the flesh, at the soul point, CAN decide not to rely on my own understanding anymore once I as the soul point realize that God has already crucified my old man way back when, and my soul point can say, “I will now begin to listen to what the Holy Spirit is saying to my spirit and I will implement what the Holy Spirit is saying to do instead of implementing MY soul ideas”.

So then, BY THE LISTENING TO THE SPIRIT I DO MORTIFY the flesh by basically making the “flesh mind IDLE” by NOT USING IT.

It is thus NOT SO MUCH that I have to STOP DOING a particular trait, but rather that I have to stop acting on my own and instead listen to what the much-smarter Holy Spirit is saying I should do…and in the process, the flesh is mortified or deadened, since not by the flesh stamping out a bad trait but through DISUSE of the flesh’s ideas.

With love,
Eden

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Yahweh wants and will except noting less than all of me.

Eden, you are right that no part of my old man is of any worth to Yahweh, good or bad it is worthless (it must by crucified ).

The Heavenly Father accepts only that of any individual that is in character, qualities, personality a conformed image by the work of the Holy Spirit of Yeshua the Messiah..

But even though Yahweh has reckoned the old man dead, the Apostle Paul makes it extremely clear the old man is still alive as we allow him to be (till the day we put off mortality and put on immortality).

This is why the scriptures declare we must take up our cross daily; daily crucify the old nature that continually arises. The Child of Yahweh must build upon our most Holy Faith that is being conformed into the image of Yeshua by the washing of the mind by the word of Yahweh, by continual prayer, by refusing old man to raise his ugly face, in its bad or good nature.

Every issue becomes an issue of the enemy of salvation, regardless of what false teachers teach and preach.

There is no such thing as instant birth into the Kingdom of Yahweh, if there is Yeshua doesn’t understand His own Gospel.

Mar 4:2
And he taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in his doctrine,


Mar 4:13
¶ And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

Mar 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.


.Yeshua said the seed (the word of Yahweh) can be sown in ground (the heart),
the ground (the heart) receives but don’t act on it and Satan comes immediately and takes the word away. No instant birth (eternal life) here, but does the long suffering of Yahweh only give this poor soul one opportunity or will he return again and again. Only Yahweh knows how many times He will return to that same heart and sow the seed of the word .


Mar 4:16
And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;

Mar 4:17
And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

No instant birth (eternal life) here either, notice the word likewise in verse 16, notice also they received the word (the word of Yahweh) (they received Yeshua) (they received the message of Salvation) with gladness but Yeshua says “when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.”

They so endure but for a time: (so in Yahweh’s longsuffering will He come again to sow again?

Mar 4:19
And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

No instant birth (eternal life here) either….

Yeshua tells us these had the word but they allowed the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word,

Yeshua tells us what will happen that those that produce no fruit.

Mat 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Mat 7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Mat 7:21
¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Here are the saved, but this is not instant birth either, here we have those that actively abide in the life of Yeshua, they crucify the flesh and obey the leading of the Holy Spirit

Mar 4:20
And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive [it], and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.

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I’m afraid that many Christians think something like this:

“I know that God does NOT WANT MY BAD PARTS, but I know that God can still USE MY GOOD PARTS.”

I have good news for you. God DOES NOT WANT our BAD parts BUT God ALSO DOES NOT WANT our GOOD parts.

Compared to the glory of God and to the glory of the risen Jesus, “our righteousness is as filthy rags”. Our RIGHTEOUSNESS, is as filthy rags.

And additionally, God has crucified my ENTIRE old man on the cross with Jesus already in Romans 6:6, and not just my BAD old man but also my GOOD old man was crucified in 1st A.D. on the cross with Christ. It’s already a fact, we just need to claim it.

If God has crucified both my GOOD traits AND my BAD traits on the cross, then I have ZERO traits left, right? And I realize that I CAN DO NOTHING since the ENTIRE old man is DEAD as far as God is already concerned, provided of course that I am a bornagain Christian.

So knowing that I am dead in Christ and that God wants neither my bad parts NOR my GOOD parts, then I CAN GIVE UP TRYING TO PLEASE GOD with my GOOD PARTS because it cannot be done.

But, since I am a bornagain Christian, I can now have faith that the Holy Spirit Who is grafted inside me that the Holy Spirit will start telling me what I should do next, so that it is then NOT I WHO LIVES but the Holy Spirit who lives in me, to the extent that I HEAR what the Spirit says, anyway.

Matthew 13:43
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who has ears to hear, let him hear.

We end up with "ears to hear" once we realize that God also does not want our GOOD parts. Then we cease from our own works and we start listening "to what the Spirit says instead".

Thereby we also "enter into His rest" and thereby we also "enter in our rest", when we stop trying even with our GOOD parts, hallelujah.

With love,
Eden

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