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Eden
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Hi, WildB. You quoted:
"Now to him who works is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
"But to him who works not, but believes on Him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Rom. 4:4,5).
Eden here:
That’s right, WildB and Cornelius. Whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
That’s the end of the good news gospel. Jesus died in our place, so that we don’t have to die for our sins anymore.
What we go out and sin then, since Jesus died in our place? God forbid. If I was naturally a fairly decent man, I’ll be an even more decent man now that the Holy Spirit can counsel me again, which Jesus also earned on the cross.
Will I ever become LIKE Jesus? Not in this lifetime; it will be the free gift of God; it will be a wholly different life, not at all like the life inherited through the first Adam. We will be a NEW creation in the Second Adam, who is Jesus the Son of God, for we shall be made like Him.
But it will all be a freeeeeeeeee gift from God when it happens, for no mortal man can create immortality and clothe himself with immortality.
Be blessed.
Eden
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If the greatest desire of your heart's cry is not to be transformed into the image of Yeshua/Jesus don't kid yourself the transformation of the "New Birth" has not taken place in your Heart! ![[Bible]](graemlins/bible.gif) ![[Cross]](graemlins/cross.gif) ![[Prayer]](graemlins/prayer.gif)
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WildB
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"Today the word “Grace” is being drug through the mud and has lost all clear understanding to the so called Christian."
Are you not one? A so Called Christian?
I was Called and need I remind you that we all are but wet dirt......
I thank God that he walks with wet dirt..
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[8] Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?
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becauseHElives
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Today the word “Grace” is being drug through the mud and has lost all clear understanding to the so called Christian.
I had always used the definition used in “Strong’s Concordance” ...
Grace the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues.
But here is another definition straight from scripture...
Titus 2:11-13
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
1Jo 3:3
And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
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WildB
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by Cornelius R. Stam
"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Rom. 4:4,5).
As we look back at all the Old Testament types: the physical types, the narratives, the sacrifices, we exclaim: "The cross was not an accident, nor an afterthought on God’s part: He had it in mind all the while." Surely Paul was right when he said of believers that "[God] hath saved us and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began" (II Tim. 1:9).
It is on the basis of the cross, typified all through the Old Testament, that God now saves us by grace through faith alone, and the types show that this was indeed His eternal purpose. Furthermore salvation should be by grace through faith.
As our text, above, declares: if man could earn his salvation it would be the payment of a debt, not the bestowal of a gift -- and God will never be indebted to anyone. He will never be in a position where He owes us, sinners, a debt. Nor will He ever allow us to disgrace ourselves and annoy others by our boasting about how we earned eternal life. But He can, on the basis of the penalty paid at Calvary, bestow salvation as a free gift. This is why we read:
"The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ, our Lord" (Rom. 6:23).
"It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast" (Eph. 2:8,9).
God owed Abraham nothing, but seeing his faith He said, in effect: "This man believes Me; I will count his faith for righteousness" (Gen. 15:6). And this He still does for those who trust Him, only He has now revealed the basis for this action: Christ’s payment for sins at Calvary. This is why, in Romans 4:5, He forbids works for salvation and declares that the believer’s faith is "counted for righteousness."
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