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becauseHElives
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I guess this one is from which perspective you looking from….
I am seeing this from the perspective of what Yahweh has desired from the beginning of time…. I think so do Brian and Aaron.
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So I think, and I could be wrong because I don't have time to research, but God appointed his judges, like his prophets, to carry out his perfect judgment, not to govern. It was man who came up with kings to govern over others.
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Aaron
God has always desired a people for Himself; one's with His character in them...who live by His Spirit. This was even before the judges came to be.
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Exd 19:5 "Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel."
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God is King and the people under His rule are "Royal Priests"; royal because they are from royalty (God the King) and priests because their lives are defined by the Lord's business.
This is the government of God.
Good New and Eden are looking at human governmet, from there perspective they are also right
Ya'll all be blessed
I'm tired , please pray for me.
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Hi, becauseHElives. You said: "'God invented government'; is this true or false"?
Eden here:
Everything that is done in heaven is being done by God's government, isn't it? Then God invented government.
The government of God is that we should be God's people.
Later men perverted this government of God and set up their own brand of government, with a king instead of God.
At least, until Jesus takes the government of God back from the people:
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a manchild, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up to God, and to His throne.
Revelation 19:15
And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
God invented government, man later perverted the government of and by God, and made a man version of it, but it is still government. So they both invented government.
with love,
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Originally posted by becauseHElives:
]You were originally talking about human government, specifically American government...
Right from Day 1 upon God's creation of Adam, he appointed him to have dominion over the earth. God can't come down onto the earth, so he has to have a human contact to carry out keeping the earth organized, of course sometimes badly.
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
do·min·ion [ də mínnyən ] (plural do·min·ions)
Definition:
1. ruling control: ruling power, authority, or control
2. sphere of influence: somebody's area of influence or control
3. land ruled: the land governed by a ruler
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No Good NewsforAll, I did not misquote you; your exact words were...
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As we have seen in this thread, no candidate is perfect, but it is our civic duty to vote for the one we believe will have the highest moral standards, and pray for that candidate to remain honorable. God invented government.
posted June 06, 2007 09:00 PM
You were originally talking about human government, specifically American government...
These scriptures in Isaiah 9 ….
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
These scriptures, you are now quoting are speaking future tense, when Isaiah was looking into the future when Messiah would come and set up an everlasting government where Yahweh will be absolute in all rule. There will be no voting on any issue; Yahweh’s Word will be absolute Law!
In reality, Yahweh never wanted any rule of government except His rule over the Human race and specifically His people. .
Side note of understanding; applying the rule that all scripture must be interrupted by scripture
Your translation said… quote:
The passionate commitment of the Lord of Heaven’s Armies will make this happen!
There will be no armies to keep the peace, The Lord Himself will in His own zeal keep divine peace
The zeal - This great work shall be brought to pass by almighty God, out of that fervent affection which he hath to his own glory, to the honour of his son, and to his people.
http://bible.cc/isaiah/9-7.htm
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Betty, there is so much to address; I don’t think my life has that much time left of my life..
While much of what is posted on that web site is good and true, it does not address the issue being discussed correctly.
For instance …
How many know what happen to someone using the Lord’s Name in vain in the Pilgrim Colony?
They nailed their tongue to a board!
Dealing with human government, there is one thing to never be forgot…
Power corrupts and complete power corrupts completely.
This is where all human government leads.
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Good NewsforAll,
thank you.
betty ![[hug]](graemlins/hug.gif)
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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Great site TEXASGRANDMA!
"THE SOURCE OF GOVERNMENT:
The source of all government lies in God. God is the creator and governor of the universe. His sovereign rule, his eternal decree, his predestinating will, his gracious providence determine every detail of time and eternity. Now man was made in the image of God. Thus man has within him a capacity to rule and to exercise government. Adam was given dominion over the fowls of the air, the fish of the sea, and all the animals of the earth to subdue them and to rule over them. God ordained that a man should be the head of and rule over the family. God has also ordained that human civil governments should rule over nations. At all these levels of government, God the supreme governor demands total accountability to himself. All governmental authority is ordained of God; all governmental power is derived from God; and all governments must exercise their responsibilities in light of God's purposes in establishing government. Scripture gives us several clear examples here. In Daniel chapter 4 we have an account of how God dealt with Nebuchadnezzar when the latter forgot that God had established his throne and his kingdom for God's purposes and God's glory rather than Nebuchadnezzar's. After humbling that mighty pagan emperor to the position of a beast of the field for seven years what a testimony God draws forth from the mouth of this repentant king! "
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Originally posted by becauseHElives:
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Good NewsforAll...
God invented government.
Is this statement True or False according to scripture?
BTW, You misquoted me becauseHElives
I said -
"God was involved in creating Gov't -", such as man is also involved in creating governments.
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Isaiah 9 6 For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 HIS government and its peace will never end. He will rule with fairness and justice from the throne of his ancestor David for all eternity. The passionate commitment of the Lord of Heaven’s Armies will make this happen!
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Romans 10:15 As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"
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becauseHelives,
Your examples are good.
I don't think it occurs to us that "democracy" may be the type of worldly government that is least like the government of God. We're so Ameri-centric in our thinking.
God has always desired a people for Himself; one's with His character in them...who live by His Spirit. This was even before the judges came to be.
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Exd 19:5 "Now therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine. And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel."
God is King and the people under His rule are "Royal Priests"; royal because they are from royalty (God the King) and priests because their lives are defined by the Lord's business.
This is the government of God.
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Originally God gave the jews judges, not kings. They were their to judge based on Gods law and to settle disputes, not to govern. I believe, and I'm not sure about this, but I think it was the jews seeing other nations with kings, asked God for a king.
So I think, and I could be wrong because I don't have time to research, but God appointed his judges, like his prophets, to carry out his perfect judgement, not to govern. It was man who came up with kings to govern over others.
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My answer would be “False”
Someone correct me if I am wrong but Yahweh did not institute human government.
Yahweh instituted the family to train up children with a reverential fear of Yahweh. He created families to bind together forming a Nation of families that loved and feared Yahweh. Their government was to be love one for the other. Not rules, regulations and laws.
Yahweh only has one Kingdom, to belong to that Kingdom your full trust must be in His ability to care for those under His Lordship.
Yahweh wanted Israel to let Hiim be their King, but Israel wanted a King, like the heathens had.
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Good NewsforAll...
God invented government.
Is this statement True or False according to scripture?
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