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Hi, bought@paid4. Your last post was right on target, a beautiful post. That's exactly what I think too. A church full of sinners saved by grace.

I mean, who else is saved in the church. No righteous persons are saved because God said, "There is none righteous, no, not one."

So there are ONLY sinners in the church. But why are we in the church?

Because we know we are sinners and we know that now that God has given us the Holy Spirit to help us, and when we learn God's words in the Bible, then we can do a little bit better, as every man is able.

Not a license to sin; but an opportunity to do better. Sinful still, yes, I'll remain till death do me part from this earth, for this mortal must yet be clothed with sinless immortality, Amen?

But by grace are sinnes saved, and becauseHElives means to encourage, exhort, people unto righteousness with the help of the Holy Spirit, but then becauseHElives makes it part of our requirement to be saved.

And that's where becauseHE and I part company because no one will ever qualify because even becauseHElives will still be a sinner when becauseHE dies; no amount of effort "to be better and do better", even WITH the help of the Holy Spirit will save the sinner becauseHElives nor the sinner Eden nor the sinner bought@paid4.

They're ALL sinners in church, but they are in church because they are saved by the grace of Jesus who was willing to pay the wages of sin for us, which is death, that we might go free. Else, Jesus didn't need to suffer and die. John the Baptist said, "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the whole world."

Trying is good, but it does not save us; God only accepts the death of Jesus if we want to go free of the penaltee (sic).

Be blessed.

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Yeshua’s death, burial and resurrection sets the captive free from the law of sin and death…

It doesn’t set me free to sin.

No where did I say that Jesus set us free TO SIN. I said we are not under the law- that is what the Bible says. Indeed Jesus has set us free FROM SIN- it's wages, dominion, and sting.

You are speaking to a person who has a board to help people get free from their sinful strongholds/addictions.

Preaching grace does not give a liscence to sin. It gives us the power to come out of sin. Grace frees, the law kills. I'm giving no one a liscense to sin; they do that perfectly well on their own. The church is full of "sinners". In fact, show me a churche where legalism is preached the hardest and I will show you a church full of the worst "sinners". It is God's love, grace, mercy, and truth that sets us free, not fear of God's wrath through legalism.

Romans 2: 4 Or despisest thou the riches of His goodness and forbearance and long-suffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

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So if I understand you right, Yeshua’s death was in vain.

My understanding is…

Yeshua’s death, burial and resurrection sets the captive free from the law of sin and death…

It doesn’t set me free to sin.

Justification by Faith Establishes the Law
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By John Piper June 6, 1999

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Romans 3:27-31

Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith. 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since indeed God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith is one. 31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Nullifying an Important Truth?

Our focus today is on verse 31, "Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law." Where did this question come from: "Do we then nullify the Law?" Why did he ask this? Someone must have been thinking that Paul was doing this - nullifying the Law.

O, how many times this happens in serious theological discussion! You take a stand on some truth and someone says, "Oh, but if you believe that, then you can't believe this. You are nullifying this truth to hold that other truth." Someone has been taught, perhaps, that if you believe in the sovereignty of God in conversion, then you must nullify human accountability to believe. So they say, "You are nullifying human accountability." Or, if you say you believe in the providence of God over all things - from the turning of hairs white or black to the fall of every bird from the sky - someone will say, "Then you are nullifying prayer - why pray if God rules all things so completely?"
But just because someone cannot see how two truths can fit together doesn't mean they may not fit together. So it is here in this text. Someone is saying, "Paul you are nullifying the Law. What you teach is abolishing the Law of God." Paul does not agree with this. But before we see why, we need to ask, What causes the question to come up? Why would anyone accuse Paul of nullifying the Law?

Why Might it Seem that Paul is Nullifying God's Law?

That is not hard to see. Let's just go back, say, to Romans 3:20 and collect a few of his statements that would possibly lead someone to this conclusion. In verse 20 he says, "By the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin." So he says that no one will be justified by doing the commandments of the Law like, "Be circumcised" and "Do no work on the Sabbath" and "Don't steal or kill or lie or commit adultery." No sinner can get right with God by doing the "works of the Law."

Then in verse 21 Paul says, "Now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested." God's righteousness is given to us "freely by grace" (verse 24) through Christ apart from the law of commandments. Commandment-keeping is not how we gain a right standing with God.

Then look at verse 27, "Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a Law of faith." So again the "law of works" seems to Paul to be negative. It can't get rid of boasting. Only a "Law of faith" can get rid of boasting. So what positive role is left for the Law?

Then notice verse 28, "We maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law." There it is again. Paul is not satisfied to say the positive - "a man is justified by faith" - he insists on saying the negative also - "apart from works of the Law." This is what is getting his critics upset. He says the Law can't set us right with God. We get right with God by faith "apart from works of the Law."

Now, with that kind of context, when we get to verse 31 and he asks, "Do we then nullify the Law through faith?", we really are not surprised that someone pressed this question on Paul. "Paul, you keep saying that a person gets right with God - gets justified - by faith apart from 'works of the Law,' and that the 'law of works' can't overcome boasting. So it seems to us that you are virtually nullifying the Law. You are saying that all those commandments in the moral law of God have no authority and may be safely ignored by God's people. You are, it seems, calling for a lawless people."

May it Never Be!

That is what Paul is responding to here. Is it true? Paul answers, "May it never be!" Absolutely not. That is not what I am doing. You may think that, but you must think more. Don't jump to conclusions. Follow me to the end of the argument. Don't press your assumptions on my argument without hearing me out. I am not nullifying the Law when I preach justification by faith alone apart from works of the Law.

In fact, he goes on and says, "On the contrary, we establish the Law." This is remarkable. He turns the table on his critics. He says, "Not only do we not nullify the Law when we teach justification by faith alone apart from works of the Law, but we establish the Law when we teach this. Justification by faith alone, apart from works of the Law, does not knock the Law down, it stands the Law up. Getting right with God by faith, not works, establishes the Law.

Now what does that mean? I think it means that what the moral law of God requires of us, we will do, if we pursue it by faith, as those who are already justified, and not by works, in order to be justified. If we get right with God first by faith alone, and then live in that freedom of love and acceptance and justification, we will be changed from the inside out and will begin to love the very things the moral law requires so that they become established in our lives - not as works of merit, but as the fruit of faith (I Thessalonians 1:3; 2 Thessalonians 1:11) and the fruit of the Spirit.

Ascend the Tracks of the Roller Coaster

Now before I show you why I think this is what it means, let me put it in a picture for you. Children, you listen closely here, because you know about roller coasters better than I do. Suppose that you are standing on the tracks of a roller coaster at the very bottom of one of the deepest dips with a three-hundred-foot tall incline in front of you, almost straight up. At the top you see the roller coaster cars perched and ready to go down the other side of the incline. And suppose someone - call him Mr. Moses - says, "Ascend those tracks. Go up to the top of this roller coaster hill on these tracks." And suppose he says, "If you get in the roller coaster at the top, you will ride all afternoon with all the momentum you need to keep you going."

So you start to climb the tracks, hand over hand, plank by plank, between the rails, when suddenly you hear another man - call him Mr. Paul - saying, "Wait, don't do that. These tracks and planks aren't made for climbing like that. Come over here on the ground and listen to my advice." Now at this point, certain bystanders might interrupt and say, "Hey, Mr. Moses said they must 'ascend these tracks' - that's his law. He said, 'Go up to the top of this roller coaster hill on these tracks.' Now here you are telling them to get off the tracks and come to you on the ground. You are going to ruin their afternoon. You are nullifying Mr. Moses' law."

Be Lifted to the Top

But Mr. Paul says, "No, no. That's not what is happening. Come I will show you. We are not canceling Mr. Moses' law, we are fulfilling it - the only way it can be fulfilled." Then he points you to a crane with a long cable and a harness at the end of the cable. And he points to a man sitting way up in the cab of this crane probably 400 feet in the air. He waves and smiles. And Mr. Paul says, "Let me put this harness on you. And if you will trust the man in the cab and the cable and the harness, he will lift you all the way up and put you in the roller coaster car. I promise you it is much safer this way."

So you consider, and then you trust him and he lifts you in the harness all the way up and puts you in the roller coaster. Then the roller coaster starts to roll. As it builds speed on the descent, you feel not only the force of gravity, but a tremendous surge of power kick in on the ascent. You go all the way around the roller coaster circuit and then you come down into the dip where you had been standing and where you had started to climb. You hit the bottom of that dip doing about eighty miles an hour and surge up the very rails you thought you had to climb. And you keep on going.

You look down and you see Mr. Moses and Mr. Paul with their arms on each other's shoulders like the best of friends, smiling as if there never had been any tension at all.

The Law is a Track, not a Ladder

Now what's the point? The point is that when Mr. Moses said, "Ascend these tracks . . . Go up to the top of this roller coaster hill on these tracks," he meant what he said. That's what the Law requires. But it wasn't his idea that you would try to climb them hand over hand, plank by plank. That's not what the planks are for. This is not a ladder with railings to climb. This is track for power to ride. So it is with the moral law in the Old Testament. It isn't meant to give a ladder for climbing, but a track for riding in the power of the Holy Spirit.

So when Mr. Paul came along and said, "Don't climb those tracks to the top. Come over here to this harness," some thought he was saying, "Leave the law of Mr. Moses; nullify the path of the commandments." But that is not what he was doing. He was not nullifying the commandments; he was establishing them. The commandment was, "Ascend these tracks. Go up to the top of this roller coaster hill on these tracks." And that is exactly what happened when you trusted the man in the cab to lift you to the car and set you to rolling with a power not your own. You came around and you did "ascend those tracks." And you did "go up to the top of this roller coaster hill." Mr. Paul's message about getting to the top by faith alone without climbing (apart from works of the Law) did not nullify the commandments of Mr. Moses. In fact, that message of faith established the commandments.

Same Idea Elsewhere in Romans

Okay, you say, nice picture. But is that what the book of Romans means? Let me try to show you why I think it is. Keep in mind that this whole issue -whether the doctrine of justification by faith alone, apart from works of the law, nullifies the Law and produces disobedient, lawless Christians or whether it produces obedient, loving Christians - is dealt with in chapters 6-8 in great detail. Here Paul just deflects the criticism to hold off the opponent till he gets there. So I only have time to point you to the places where I get the answer.
First look at Romans 6:1-2, "What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be!" You can see that the issue here is very similar to Romans 3:31. You teach justification by grace through faith alone, apart from works of the Law. So what you're really saying is that sinning doesn't matter and that the more we sin the more grace will be shone and the more glory God will get in forgiving it. Paul emphatically rejects this.
You get a taste of his argument from Romans 6:14-15, "Sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be!" No, he says, the gospel of justification by grace through faith alone does not produce sinning. It produces love. When you trust the car controller, and the cable and the harness, and you sit in the roller coaster with the energy of grace driving the linkage, you don't come to the bottom of that 300-foot hill called Law and stop. You are under the power and control of grace, and it does not nullify the Law. It establishes the Law.

Now look at the most important parallel passage, Romans 8:2-4. "The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh . .." Stop. The law of this 300-foot incline was not bad. It was perfect. Two rails, solid planks well fastened. Strong girders. Well, how then was it weak? It was "weak through the flesh." It wasn't made to be climbed hand over hand, plank by plank. Nor was your flesh (what you are apart from the Holy Spirit) ever designed by God to attempt such a thing. These rails were made for guiding a roller-coaster car, not for your flesh to climb. Now continue .. . "What the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit."

God sent Christ to execute sin so that we might be justified by faith alone, apart from works of the Law, and so that "the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us." In us! This is real life transformation. That is confirmed by the next phrase: ". . . who walk not according the flesh but according to the Spirit." Walking by the Spirit means being empowered in the roller coaster with a power not your own. That is how the moral law is fulfilled and established. We are justified by faith alone, apart from works of the Law, and the Holy Spirit is given to us and by his power we fulfil the Law - that is, we love.

For time's sake, I am passing over Romans 9:30-32*, which makes the same point. And I come finally to Romans 13:8-10, "Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. For this, 'You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law."

Love Fulfills the Law

In other words, love fulfills or establishes the Law. And where does love come from? It is a fruit of the Spirit in our lives. And is this Spirit supplied to us by works of the law or by hearing with faith (Galatians 3:5)? Does He come with his power to take us up the roller coaster hill of love because we work to show ourselves worthy, or because we are justified by faith alone?

I think Paul answers in Romans 7:6, "But now we have been released from the Law . . ." You walk away from that 300-foot hill. You die to it. You receive the harness of grace by faith. And you ride up (through faith) to the peak of justification and are put in the car of the Spirit's power. Now read the rest of Romans 7:6, "And having died to that by which we were bound [the Law], so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter."
We serve. We love. But not the old way. Not hand over hand, plank by plank in the power of the flesh, which is so weak. But, because we are justified by faith alone, apart from works of the Law, we serve by the power of the Spirit, whose fruit is love. And love fulfills the Law. And therefore Paul can say, "Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

Do you want to get right with God, and live for his glory? Don't climb the roller coaster hill called "works of the Law." Trust the harness called "justification by faith alone."


By John Piper June 6, 1999

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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )

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Grace as you have defined is incomplete, look it up for yourself….

Sovereignty of Yahweh alone is insufficient for salvation unless coupled with the responsibility of man.

True Salvation changes the person who once hated and could not keep Yahweh’s Law into a person who loves Yahweh’s Law and desires to keep it, with every breath they take.

The ability after Grace has came into the heart, is there to not sin, though most of us don’t take advantage of that ability.

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/5/1160079990-8864.html

Grace ……the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues

Go back and read all the Bible passages I just posted. I didn't write it, it's what the Bible says.

Either Jesus did it all or he did nothing. If you save yourself through your own law keeping, then as Paul put it, "Christ died in vain."

John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


Jesus preached grace and truth. Jesus told the Pharisees (in John I believe), "You search the scriptures (law/torah) because you think in them you have eternal life. But I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." And that is why the gate is narrow and few find it.

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quote:
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Grace as you have defined is incomplete, look it up for yourself….

Sovereignty of Yahweh alone is insufficient for salvation unless coupled with the responsibility of man.

True Salvation changes the person who once hated and could not keep Yahweh’s Law into a person who loves Yahweh’s Law and desires to keep it, with every breath they take.

The ability after Grace has came into the heart, is there to not sin, though most of us don’t take advantage of that ability.

1Jo 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/5/1160079990-8864.html

Grace ……the merciful kindness by which God, exerting his holy influence upon souls, turns them to Christ, keeps, strengthens, increases them in Christian faith, knowledge, affection, and kindles them to the exercise of the Christian virtues

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quote:
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Romans 3: 31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid, yes we establish the law.

Grace is matter of a heart transplant.

Grace- God's Love in Action is Grace that cause the believer to walk after the Spirit

God's grace is what draws us, keeps us (through the blood), and changes us.

Grace is God's ability on our behalf. It is His unmerited favor by definition. We don't earn it, we can't keep it through our works, but it does change our hearts and therefore our beliefs and lifestyle.

Thanks for the replies all. [Smile]

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Romans 3: 31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid, yes we establish the law.

Grace is matter of a heart transplant.

Before Yahweh’s Grace, every man/woman born on planet earth, except one, was born with a heart of stone.

Yahweh sent His only Son to be born of a virgin, “Yeshua ’’

So that all that would take advantage of His free offer, could have a heart transplant.

Removal of the old stony heart that could not do Yahweh’s will no matter how hard it tried and replaced with it with a heart of flesh, in this process Yahweh the Master physician gave this new heart His ability, power and strength to keep the commandments that were the very essence of His own nature.

Grace- God's Love in Action is Grace that cause the believer to walk after the Spirit

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John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Be blessed.

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On the topic of Grace. I always had trouble telling someone exactly what it meant. Some years ago I listen to a great man of God preach on the topic of Grace. He said the simplest way to remember it is:

G Gods
R Riches
A At
C Christs
E Expense

This might be helpful to someone else here. It sure explains what Grace is.

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so what does all of that mean???
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Grace verses law

Galatians 1: 3-7
Grace be to you, and peace, from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present world, according to the will of God the Father: To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

Galatians 2: 16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the fatih of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, an dnot by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Galatians 2:21 - Galatians 3:1-15
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ died in vain.

O foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ has been evidently set forth, crucified amoung you? This only would I learn of you? Received you the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Ar eyou so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are you now made perfect by the flesh? Have you suffered so many things in vain? if ti be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worksmiracles amoung you, does he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know you therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, forseeing that God would justify the heathen thrugh faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In you will all nations be blessed. So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. For as many as are of the works of th elaw are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in ALL things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just will live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that does them will live in them. Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree: Taht ht eblessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. BRETHREN, I SPEAK AFTER THE MANNER OF MEN; THOUGH IT BE BUT A MAN'S COVENANT, YET IF IT BE CONFIRMED, NO MAN DISANNULLETH, OR ADDETH THERETO.

Romans 3: 19-28
Now we know that what things soever the law says, it say to them who are under teh law: that every mouth may be stopped, an all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there will no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Bu tnow the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteusness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe; ofr there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through th e redemtion that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God has set frith to be a propitiation thrugh faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past through the FORBEARANCE of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believes in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? No; but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Romans 3: 31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid, yes we establish the law.

Romans 4: 14-16
For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and promise of none effect: Because the law works wrath: for wher no law is, there is no transgression. Therefore, it is of faith that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be SURE to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law (Jews), but to that also whcih is of the faith of Abraham (Gentiles); who is the father of us all.

Romans 4: 24-25
But for us also, to whom it will be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; Who was delivered for our offenses, and was raised again for our justification.

Romans 5: 1-2
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Romans 5: 8-10
But God commended his love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. MUCH MORE THEN, BEING NOW JUSTIFIED BY HIS BLOOD, WE WILL BE SAVED FROM WRATH THROUGH HIM. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son; muc more, being reconciled, we will be saved by his life.

Romans 5: 18; 20-21
Therefore, as by the offense of one judgement came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the FREE GIFT came upon all men unto justification of life.

Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: That as sin reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto ETERNAL LIFE by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 6: 1-2;14
What will we say then? Will we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid, How will we , taht are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

For sin will not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 6: 22-23
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, you have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 7: 6
But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should in newness of spirit and not in oldness of letter.

Romans 8: 1-4; 8-10
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. NOw if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the spirit is life because of righteousness.

Romans 8: 31- 35
What will we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how will he not with him also freely give us all things? Who will lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifies. Who is he that condemns? It is Crist that died , yes rather, that is risen again, who also makes intersession for us. Who will seperate us from the love of Christ?

Romans 8: 38-39
For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, will be able to seperate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 10: 3-4; 9- 11
For they, being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes.

That if you will confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and will believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and withthe mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scriputure says, "Whosoever believes on him will not be ashamed".

Romans 10: 13-15
For whosoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved. How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how will they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how will they hear without a preacher? An how will they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the fet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring good tidings of good things!

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