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Eden
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There are a couple problems with this. Namely the fact that there is an Eastern Orthodox Church!!!
Eden answer: yes, there was an Eastern Orthodox church too, but the see of Constantinople oversaw the sees or bishoprics of Syria like Antioch and Alexandria and the bishoprics in Asia Minor or Turkey today.
The see of Rome or bishopric of Rome and the bishoprics west of the Bosporus had to deal with the Barbarians like the Goths and with the Germanic princes and with the Franken princes and with the church in England and the church in France-Gaul mostly supported the see of Rome or bishopric of Rome against the secular, or sometimes believing emperor of the Franken or emperor of the Germans.
While the Lord was and is in charge of the Church, and is watching over His Church, yet Jesus did not physically return to earth between, say, when the Church started to, say, 1100 A.D.
The Church had to live among the secular and pagan tribes and political and military powers and alliances and interests, in which the traditions of the Apostles had to be guarded and protected from influences of all these other pagan views in Europe west of the Bosporus. This was a real, living battle which the physical, living church, had to undergo and keep itself in.
That was the Europe from the 1st century A.D. to the 11th century A.D., before the Great Reformation, because there were a lot of small reformations, political and military conditions allowing by the grace of God.
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We must be reading different History books.
First of all, all Christians are not Protestants. Baptists for example are not Protestants.
Eden: Baptists are not Protestants? I have never heard that before. Perhaps I realize that there are some Orthodox Greek Christians, for instance, who may not be considered either Catholic or Protetant, but that Baptists are not Protestants surprises me.
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The Church exists today because it is Christ's Church and HE has preserved it. It exists today in Spite of Romanism, and not because of Romanism.
Eden: yes, in spite of us too.
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In fact, one reason why the bishopric or see of Rome became so powerful was because individually, the bishoprics or sees of Europe and Constantinope and Antioch were to vulnerable by them, but in a collective or Catholic or universal grouping, with the see of Rome taking the lead, was a matter of security and protection of the scriptures against the secular power of the Germanic and barbarian princes, as once delivered to the church by the Apostles.
This was an organic process, actually lived out on earth, with European princes and an emperor, all fighting to select the abbots of the abbeys and the bishops of the sees or bishoprics.
There are a couple problems with this.. Namely the fact that there is an Eastern Orthodox Church!!!
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The Christian church had to unite or catholicise or universalize together in order to withstand the secular princely and emperor's power, whose nomination as head bishop or pope to the see of Rome, for example, was enforced with an army entering Italy.
We must be reading different History books.
First of all, all Christians are not Protestants. Baptists for example are not Protestants.
The Church exists today because it is Christ's Church and HE has preserved it. It exists today in Spite of Romanism, and not because of Romanism.
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Well they sure helped institutionalize it and placed the main focus on everything but Jesus.
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I would say that Yahweh preserved His plan and will IN SPITE of what men did "in His name" in the ROMAN catholic church.
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From what I know of the church in the middle ages, it did a lot more harm than good. Crusades (in the Middle East and in Europe), Papal indulgences (and, so I understand, orgies), changes to theology - it was a pretty brutal time.
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Eden
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Did the Catholic Christian church do any good to help preserve Christianity in the Middle Ages, or not?
In fact, one reason why the bishopric or see of Rome became so powerful was because individually, the bishoprics or sees of Europe and Constantinope and Antioch were to vulnerable by them, but in a collective or Catholic or universal grouping, with the see of Rome taking the lead, was a matter of security and protection of the scriptures against the secular power of the Germanic and barbarian princes, as once delivered to the church by the Apostles.
This was an organic process, actually lived out on earth, with European princes and an emperor, all fighting to select the abbots of the abbeys and the bishops of the sees or bishoprics.
The Christian church had to unite or catholicise or universalize together in order to withstand the secular princely and emperor's power, whose nomination as head bishop or pope to the see of Rome, for example, was enforced with an army entering Italy.
The Catholic Christian church, with Rome in the lead, protected the church's right to name its own bishops and its own abbots of abbeys, by uniting, with the see of Rome in the political capital Rome taking the lead in this, though the see of Rome had its own hierarchy battles with the see of Constantinople.
In this the Catholic church did a lot of good and preserved the Christianity until the Protestant Reformation came and took it back, again, to "justification is by faith only" (and not by works, so there is no place for boasting).
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