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The Biblical truth may hold closer to the context if the bride of the Lamb and the wife were under the premier consideration.
While reading these threads, and certainly it may be accurate to say that that Manessa would migrate to America, while Ephriam might migrate to the islands north and west (Brittain), that does not necessarily mean that all white people in these countries are of Israel, and just because Israel had been driven over the Caucasus Mts. doesn't make all white people Hebrew either, not unless the Bible specifically says so, otherwise it is speculation.
The entire Hebrew nation, being members of tribes, where notatably not a large peoples.
There are plenty of Hebrew people in both places and they have maintained their Hebrewism. My fathers were not part of the iesodus or the exodus.
Acts 28:28 is clearly the first instance of the salvation of God being sent an apostle, for in the selfsame ch. Paul states he is in bonds, or chains, for the hope of Israel, which is completely set aside at the conclusion and fulfillment of Isa. 6:9-10 at the end of Acts, wherein the mystery revelation is made known to the apostle Paul who is then sent and stated to be the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles in Eph 3:1, stating "for this cause", interluding till v. 14 as he makes a necessary explanation and expansion, "that you may be able to comprehend...and to know" - because it was a secret now made known, hithertofore "hid in God", and therefore "unsearchable" G.untrackable {=leaving no traces = not in the OT} whereby Paul states during the Acts, he preached none other things than - Act 26:22 "Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come"
Which teachings utterly ceased upon Israel taking her place amidst the nations, being no more the preimenent and chosen channel to bless the nations thereby, and the mystery made known...
even so, Paul makes clear that even the Hebrew must lay aside their Hebrewness to become a member of the church which is His body in Phip 3., in order to reach for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus, and it is this word which the inspired sent one to the nations says completes the word of God {Col 1:25} Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now {emphatic} is made manifest to his saints
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I completely agree with you BORN AGAIN that Manasseh and Ephraim are represented today by Britain (commonwealth) and America.
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The reverse of the American seal
On the national seal of America, the "Great People," above the shadowing wings and the scroll, is a Cloud emitting rays of Glory. "Aaron spake unto the whole congregation of the children of Israel . . . and behold the Glory of the Lord appeared in the Cloud." (Ex. 16:10).
To our fathers that glory Cloud was significant of the presence of Jehovah. That Glory Cloud, which hung over Israel, guided those who had but just escaped from the Egyptian bondage, and it stood between them and their enemies. But this is not all, for this Cloud of our American heraldry surrounds what is called "The Constellation."
The Great Pyramid (Reverse Side of America's National Seal)
The Great Pyramid
(Reverse Side of America's National Seal)
This constellation is a group of thirteen stars, or planets, on a field of azure sky, which is exactly the same number of planets that appeared on the azure sky in the dream of Joseph, which drove him into separation from his brethren.
Any one of these features in the blazonry of our nation might have been a coincidence, but when we see that there is not a single feature, but that which is Josephic and Israelitish, it is simply astounding.
But when we turn our face upon the reverse side of that great national seal we are overwhelmed, for there stands the Great Pyramid of Egypt, which is one of the two great monuments of Egypt, the birthplace of Ephraim and Manasseh, the Egypto-Israelitish sons of Joseph, the son of Jacob, the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham.
And, marvel of marvels! The national Crest of England has that other great monument of Egypt, the Sphinx, on its reverse side. Thus do the people of Great Britain and the United States of America, the Brother nations, by that which speaks louder than words, for signs are arbitrary, say that they are the offsprings of the Egypto-Israelitish holders of the Abrahamic birthright.
The people of the United States made this declaration by that which was made a law on Thursday, June 20, 1782, for on that day the ensign which bears those shadowing wings of Israel, together with the Heraldry of Joseph, became a law among us. Also over the pyramid on the reverse side of the Great Seal of America is another thirteen-lettered motto, which, of course is not only lawful, but also national; i.e., "Annuit Coeptis," -- "He [the Lord] hath prospered our undertakings." This also is Josephic, for we read,
"The Lord was with Joseph, and he was a prosperous man." (Gen. 39:2)
"The Lord was with him [Joseph], and that which he did the Lord made it to prosper" (Gen. 39:23).
Those who understand the Cabala and the arith mography of the Scriptures, it is known that the number thirteen is significant of rebellion, but all that we can say about it here is that the first time this number occurs in the Bible it is with reference to Rebellion (Gen. 14:4).
Surely that people whose characteristic number is thirteen did rebel in 1776, and prospered in it, too. They also prospered in 1814, in another little affair concerning the acquisition of a vast stretch of territory known as Louisiana.
This people have also had rebellion within their own borders, and it is a remarkable fact that, although thirteen was not the number of states in the Confederacy, the Confederate Congress, in 1863, formally adopted a battle flag for the Confederacy, and also a Confederate flag. The Battle Flag was a white field with a blue cross of this (X) shape, in which there were thirteen stars. The flag for the Confederacy was white, with a red field in the Dexter chief corner, bearing this same (X) cross with its thirteen stars.
God bless, ![[Cross]](graemlins/cross.gif) BORN AGAIN
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PART THIRD
The Veil Lifted from the Abrahamic Nations
Chapter 8--Egypt-Israelite and Anglo-Saxon Emblems
"Now Israel loved Joseph more than all his children, because he was the son of his old age, and he made him a coat of many colors." (Gen. 37:3)
A souvenir of this coat of many colors which Jacob made for Joseph is still found in the many-colored plaid, as worn by the Scotch Highlanders, and not only by them, but by Highlander societies which exist in nearly every large Anglo-Saxon city.
The use of this van-colored plaid, and the custom of wearing it, can be traced as far back as the Scottish people have any history, and yet its origin among them is unknown; that is, it was unknown until they began to know that they were the descendants of Joseph.
Also, once upon a time, the Gileadites were at war with Ephraim-Israel,
"And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites; and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto them, Are you an Ephraimite? If he said, No; then said they to him, Say now Shibboleth, and he said, Sibboleth; for he could not frame to pronounce it right. " (Judges 12:5-6)
The Ephraimites seem to have had trouble to pronounce the letter h, and many of Ephraim's people still have trouble with their h's, especially the modern "Cockney."
The Gileadites seem to have worsted Israel in this war to which we have referred, but, according to prophecy, there was to come a time when Ephraim would nevermore be conquered by a Gentile nation.
And it must have been to this end that the Lord told the islands to keep silent, "until my people renew their strength." For of this same people, this Israel that is dwelling in the isles, the Lord says:
"Behold, all that were incensed against you shall be ashamed and confounded; they that strive against you shall perish; they shall be as nothing. Thou shalt seek them, even them that contended with thee; they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of naught. For I, the Lord thy God, will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee. Fear not, you worm Jacob, and you men of Israel; I will help you, says the LORD," (Isa. 41:11-14).
When Balak, the king of Moab, hired Balaam to curse Israel, and he could not, but was compelled by the Lord to bless Israel, he said:
"God brought him forth out of Egypt; he [Israel] has, as it were, the strength of a UNICORN; he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his ARROWS. He crouched, he lay down as a lion, and as a GREAT LION. Who shall stir him up? Blessed is he who blesses you, and cursed is he who curses you," (Num. 24:8-9).
Now, it is a most remarkable fact that two of these racial emblems, the LION and the UNICORN, which were given to Israel with that compulsory blessing, are in the coat-of-arms of Great Britain or of the “isles of the sea”.
This national seal of Great Britain, is, in part, the "Harp of David," which was brought to the isles by Dan and Simeon when they fled from Assyrian King Tiglathpileser who took Reuben and half-Manasseh and Gad captive to Assyria, with the Unicorn reared up on one side and the Great Lion on the other.
The Lion is both Israel’s and Judah's, and the Unicorn is both Israel's and Joseph's, and in a special sense the Unicorn belongs to Ephraim, because Joseph-Ephraim was given the headship of the 10-tribed kingdom of Israel as the holder of the unconditional birthright promises given to Ephraim by Jacob.
Thus Moses, on the day of his death, while reiterating and enlarging upon the prophecies and promises made by Jacob to each of the tribal heads, said concerning the blessings of Joseph:
"His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of Unicorns; with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth; and they are the tens of thousands of Ephraim (the thousands of each of the ten tribes) and the thousands (of the one tribe) of Manasseh." (Deut. 33:17)
The English national seal does not only have the lion and the unicorn, but also a circle divided into four equal quarters. This is almost certainly a reproduction of Ephraim's cake. ("Ephraim is a cake half-turned.")
In one of thes quarterings is David's harp, and in each of the other three quarterings are young lions.
Ephraim's Cake with the Great Lion reared up on its left side and the Horned Unicorn reared up on its right side)
Manasseh was a separate tribe, as is known from the following:
"There was also a lot of the tribe of Manasseh, for he was the firstborn of Joseph," (Joshua 17:1).
And also the following:
"For the children of Joseph were two tribes, Manasseh and Ephraim; therefore, they gave no part to the Levites in the land, save cities to dwell in, with their suburbs," (Joshua 14:4).
Thus was the land divided by lot as the LORD commanded,
"But to the tribe of Levi (the priests) Moses gave no inheritance; the LORD God of Israel was their inheritance." (Joshua 13:33)
Thus with Joseph's two tribes, Joseph received his promised "double portion," and now there were thirteen tribes in Israel, but only twelve divisions of the land, so the Levites had no land inheritance; but they had the LORD, which was far better, and they could eat the meat of sacrifice from the holy altar.
But not only was Manasseh a separate tribe, but Jacob prophesied that at first Manasseh and Ephraim were to grow together until they became a multitude in the midst of the earth; after which he was separated from his brethren, and became a great nation himself. This is the reason for the prophecy:
"Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well [literally by the water], whose branches run over the wall." (Gen. 49:22).
Thus God said:
"Let the blessing come upon the top of the head of him who was separated from his brethren." (Deut. 33:16)
Since there are thirteen tribes in Israel, and since Ephraim and Manasseh were adopted after all the rest were born, and Ephraim is counted as the 12th in the place of Joseph, or they are counted interchangeably, there is no other chance but that Manasseh, numerically speaking, was number thirteen.
Now, it is a significant that when Manasseh separated from Ephraim -- when the people who were to become a great nation separated from those who had become a company of nations, because their branches continued to run over the wall -- he, Manasseh, or America, had just thirteen states, and thirteen is the prominent number in the emblems and heraldry of the land of America.
(Picture of National Seal of the United States of America)
Referring to Manasseh, the LORD said through Jacob in Egypt on his deathbed:
"He also shall become a people {literally, a nation}, and he also shall be great" (Genesis 48:19)
The first national flag of the original United States had thirteen Stars and thirteen Bars. The bars symbolized the Union, and the constellation of thirteen stars was intended to symbolize the nation formed of thirteen states.
In the Great Seal of our country, as represented above, we have the arms and crest of the United States of America. We would first call your attention to the eagle holding in what is called the "Dexter" talon an Olive Branch.
In Hosea Chapter 14, that prophet who has so much to say about lost Ephraim-Israel, says the following:
"O Israel, return to the LORD your God; I will heal their backslidings; I will love them freely; for My7 anger is turned away from him . . . I will be as the dew to Israel; he shall grow like the lily [the national flower of Egypt], and cast forth his roots as Lebanon [royal cedar]. His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the OLIVE tree. Ephraim will say, What have I to do any more with idols?" (Hosea 14:1, 4-6, 8)
Ephraim is the representative head of the house of Joseph and of the 10-tribed kingdom of Israel, and we that the OLIVE Tree is among the insignia of the birthright family of Ephraim, and is here represented as one whose branches shall spread.
And since the birthright is Ephraim’s but his brother was predicted to separate from the many nations of Ephraim and Manasseh was to become a great nation himself, and so the Olive Branch of Ephraim has been placed in the "Coat of Arms" of Manasseh, the thirteenth tribe in Israel, who has fulfilled the prophecy of becoming a great nation, Manasseh having spun off Ephraim.
Still if this fact stood alone, it might not mean so much, but in the other talon of America’s seal, in the "Sinister" talon, is a "Bundle of thirteen ARROWS," which represent the nation individually and collectively prepared for war.
It is marvelous that the Olive Branch in the dexter talon should have been made our official insignum of Peace, and that the Arrows should to represent the War Power of the country, for Arrows were in the heraldry of Israel, as well as the Unicorn and Lion, when Balaam was compelled to bless Israel instead of curse them.
Also, the Josephites were BOWMEN, and Jacob, after speaking of Joseph and his branches, said,
"The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him. But his bow (of war) abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob," (Gen. 49:23-24).
It is a well-known and much-rejoiced-over fact that the Bow of the United States, which has sent her Arrows into the ranks of her enemies, has always abode in strength, and that both her chief men and people have always said: "God has helped us."
NEXT: the scarlet thread is everywhere in England's symbols.
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BA, I would like to hear some more on this.
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The distinction between the house of Israel and the house of Judah.
Most Christians know about the three-tribed kingdom of Judah.
The Spirit of the LORD gave 7 unconditional promises to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and by the Spirit, Jacob gave Judah 3 of these 7 unconditional promises, and Jacob gave Ephraim 4 of these 7 unconditional promises.
To Judah, Jacob gave the 2 “Sceptre” promises that “kings would come out of Judah”, which included that the Messiah the King of Israel would come out of the three-tribed kingdom of Judah, and "an inheritance in the land of Israel".
Judah did have an unbroken dynasty of kings and Messiah the King of Israel came from Judah, and so the church was born out of the three-tribed kingdom of Judah.
But the church was not born out of the house of Israel.
We Christians know a lot about the three-tribed kingdom of Judah (consisting of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi) and how Judah fulfilled the 3 unconditional promises which Jacob had given to Judah on Jacob’s deathbed in Egypt.
But we Christians often ignore that the Spirit in Jacob gave Ephraim the remaining 4 unconditional promises, which are that the ten-tribed Ephraim-Israel would “become a multitude of people”, would "become many nations”, and would “posssess the gates of their enemies” and would "receive an inheritance in the land of Israel".
Christians are generally ignorant of how the ten-tribed kingdom of Ephraim-Israel, which was carried away captive to Assyria in 721 B.C., fulfilled these promises in its history, if at all.
But these were unconditional promises which did not depend on whether the house of Israel was good or bad; the promises were guaranteed by the LORD God who “swore by Himself” to make these promises come true in the earth.
We know that the house of Judah brought forth its 2 of its 3 promises thus far, namely "kings shall come out of Judah" which included "the Messiah the King of Israel" out of which also the church was born. But where did the house of Israel bring forth its 4 promises, if at all?
Most Christians choose to ignore that the ten tribes of Israel-Ephraim-Samaria are in possession of the other 4 unconditional promises, namely “become a multitude of people”, “become many nations”, “possess the gates of their enemies”, and receive "an inheritance in the land of Israel".
Judah’s promises included bringing forth the Messiah the King of Israel and so also the church is from Judah , but the church is not from the 10-tribed house of Israel.
The house of Israel does not have the Sceptre promises but has the 4 other unconditional promises to fulfill.
Indeed, it is fascinating that after most of Judah rejected their Lord Yahshua-Jesus, that the Lord said:
Matthew 10:6
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Ezekiel 3:5
For you are not sent to a people of a strange speech and of an hard language, but to the house of Israel.
Jeremiah 5:11
For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt very treacherously against Me, says the LORD.
Jeremiah 18:6
O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? says the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel.
Jeremiah 31:33
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel. After those days, says the LORD, “I will put My law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be My people.
After most of Judah rejected the Lord, the Lord gave the blessings of getting saved by the blood of Jesus firs to the house of Israel .
Jeremiah 31:2
Thus says the LORD, The people who were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.
John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
After most of the house of Judah rejected the Lord Yahshua-Jesus, the house of Israel would accept the Lord in the wilderness, wherever the house of Israel was among the nations.
But the Bible actually tells us where the house of Israel currently is, namely in the isles afar off:
Jeremiah 31:10
Hear the word of the LORD, O you nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He who scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.
Isaiah 20:6
And the inhabitant of this isle shall say in that day, Behold, such is our expectation, where we flee for help to be delivered from the king of Assyria: and how shall we escape?
Jeremiah came into Egypt with the remnant of Judah who had escaped after the murder of Gedaliah, and Jeremiah had the daughters of King Zedekiah with him in Egypt:
Jeremiah 43
5 But Johanan the son of Kareah, and all the captains of the forces, took all the remnant of Judah, that were returned from all nations, where they had been driven, to dwell in the land of Judah;
6 Even men, and women, and children, and the king's daughters, and every person that Nebuzaradan the captain of the guard had left with Gedaliah the son of Ahikam the son of Shaphan, and Jeremiah the prophet, and Baruch the son of Neriah.
7 So they came into the land of Egypt: for they obeyed not the voice of the LORD: thus came they even to Tahpanhes.
Jeremiah had been told to destroy and to uproot, but also to build and to plant. Jeremiah overseen the uprooting of the Judah-Pharez-Zedekiah royal line o, but Jeremiah still had to plant and to build, sometime before his death:
Jeremiah 1:10
See, I have this day set you over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out and to pull down and to destroy and to throw down, and to build, and to plant.
Jeremiah had already overseen the uprooting of the Judah-Pharez-Zedekiah branch of Judah whose males were taken to Babylonia. But Jeremiah had the daughters of the Judah-Pharez-Zedekiah branch with him in Egypt.
When Judah’s sons Pharez and Zarah were born, a curious thing happened. Zarah stuck his arm out of the womb and the midwife tied a scarlet thread to Zarah’s wrist after which the baby Zarah pulled his hand back into the womb.
Genesis 38
28 And it came to pass, when {Tamar} travailed, that the one put out his hand: and the midwife took and bound upon {Zarah's} hand a scarlet thread, saying, This one came out first.
29 And it came to pass, as he drew back his hand, that, behold, his brother came out: and she said, How have you broken forth? This breach be upon you: therefore his name was called Pharez.
30 And afterward came out his brother {Zarah}, that had the scarlet thread upon his hand: and his name was called Zarah.
By this it was foretold that there would be a breach in the Judah-Pharez-Zedekiah line of kings, and Jeremiah had overseen the breach or uprooting of the Judah-Pharez-Zedekiah branch and that branch was brought, as only the daughters of Zedekiah were left with Jeremiah in Egypt.
But Jeremiah still had to build and to plant:
Jeremiah 1:10
See, I have this day set you over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, and to build, and to plant.
It was now time for the breached Judah-Zarah line with the scarlet thread to be exalted, and that happened when Jeremiah took the daughters of the Judah-Pharez-Zedekiah line to North Ireland where Jeremiah caused the daughters of the Judah-Pharez-Zedekiah to marry into the Judah-Zarah line which was with the house of Ephraim-Israel in the Brtish isles.
There Jeremiah built and planted what he had uprooted in Judah, namely the king's daughters so that "never a king failed of the Judah sceptre line of kings".
The sceptre of Judah-Zarah was then, and still is, in the British isles.
England beame “a multitude of people” and became “many nations” and “possessed the gates of their enemies” like no other nation on earth; the gates were the seaports, and England possessed the gates of India, of northeast Africa, of the Suez Canal, of Gibraltar, of the Cape of Good Hope, of the Baltic Sea, of Alexandria, of Aden, of Australia and of New Zealand, and much, much more.
We will next time examine the national coat-of-arms and seals of England and America, and will show how the scarlet thread runs throughout the coat-of-arms of the Britisth isles where the house of Israel currently is, and America is where Manasseh currently is.
More on that another time...
God bless, BORN AGAIN
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