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What does it mean when we read 'God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those that believe'. ??
Why especially believers? Is it not what Eph speaks to, that God can live in us if we believe, that we are already seen as being dead buried risen with Christ? But how can we submit and yield our faith if we do not believe? Is salvation something we can do, or is it totally beyond us and found only in what Christ has already done when He raised from the dead?
Peter speaks to Israel in the flesh here, but we can learn something of a deeper instruction by looking at the Greek this verse contains:
1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Are (kept) guarded
a military term, (phrouroumenous), indicating a continuous process, made up of the passive articular (tous), and from (phrouros), being the sentinel
and we find that it is God preforming this continuously
elsewhere used:
Act 9:24; 2Co 11:32
also being used of God’s love in Phi 4:7 of guarding the gift of inheritance
Through faith (dia pisteōs)
providing us with an intermediate agency (dia), staying with subject and object of the grammar we see 'through faith' is also of or by God’s power.
Unto a salvation (eis sōtērian)
Deliverance is the goal (eis), out of of this process of God's guarded faithful salvation we are given the consummation of the ever present goal, as in 1Th 5:8, where we read sōtēr (Saviour, from sōzō, to save).
This is stated more straightforwardly in the English as Paul writes to Timothy:
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Eph 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
Then we have words which must fit somewhere, 'the last day':
Joh 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
oh 6:40 A...and I will raise him up at the last day.
Joh 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
When is this 'last day'? Well, as I read it, this last day speaks to God's earthly people who will see Him coming, as apposed to the members of His body who appear with Him when He appears (Col3.4)
And finds it's placefulness with those who are not hurt of the second death in Rev2,, giving the instruction that there is a first resurrection being directed towards Israel that she fulfill all those OT prophecies left yet to be accomplished, where they shall be priests to bring the knowledge of the Lord to the nations in that great time of teaching,
and then there is the fire, of which we read many times that God is a consuming fire. but what is it that is written that God will consume?
Is it not the works? or is it man? What does the Bible actually say?
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
so there is a distinction made, a difference to be acknowledged, of reward, which speaks something more than what is Biblically termed 'common salvation', and of the Jew, Hebrews 11, Galation 4, and Revelation 3 and 21, all speaking to the Jews of reward, of a 'better resurrection', which leaves the earthly people for the inheritance to those who fail to overcome in faith.
the masses teach, and we listen, that there is no difference between salvation and reward, but if we read carefully, there are places like Ez44 (I believe) which speaks of the dead who are visited for incouragment by their loved ones. Well, if this is to find a place that fits, then these who are called and considered dead are resurrected, but not within the same company of those in the first resurrection, for it is those of the first resurrection who are doing the teaching as we read in Rev 20.
But of those where there is no law, there is no sin, or affectively, the accountability of sin. but there is much language given to clarify that there is a race to run, a prize to win, a reward to secure, yet these are never said to be concerning salvation, but as something in addition to salvation.
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1Ti 4:9 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation.
1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those that believe.
1Ti 4:11 These things command and teach.
Well, either Christ spoke the truth or He didn't, He either came as the reconciler of the whole world or He didn't, either He is the just and the justifier of the ungodly or He isn't, either (1Ti 1:15) This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, or it isn't,
either there is a Biblical distinction between salvation and reward or the inspired writers failed and God gave us the words anyway
so before we run out and quote all the verses which were written to Israel alone (which the OT clearly states only Israel has He known and only Israel shall He punish) and apply it to everyone else with the broadest of strokes, perhaps we should acknowledge that there is a plan and purpose that the age times were created to address, resulting in some remarkable interpretations by the Holy Spirit for our learning:
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, by (grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
this grace is of God and God only, not by any meritorious works man might do:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior;
Tit 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace...
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus
and these verse set forth the basic outline that salvation is of God and nothing else. now, there are two ways, in Scripture, in the mind of man whereby salvation is reckoned, I say, in the mind of men, but only one way in the mind of God.
in the mind of men it is set out that by works we can somehow merit the salvation of God, but if we read carefully, we should easily see that salvation is unto good works, and not works unto salvation. ephesians sets it forth that there is only two walks
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience
Paul includes himself, a Pharisee, includes the Jews in this, although this is written to the gentiles
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13 But now
Eph 4:1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Tit 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
I might say too, that the purpose of Bible Study is that we may get to know Him. Everything we inherited from Adam must die. How vain is a life that only ends in the grave. And who would put us there? Men who place themselves in the position to be our judge. But where do they get this athority to tell us that our end is given in one or two verses written to the Hebrews?
2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us; we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Eph 1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
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So which one is true? Did God make some Born Again people to Never live for Him but most others to Get it Right?
First of all God does not make anyone become a Born-Again person. We have free will and are not robots. Another thing is I never can understand why someone that loves the Lord Jesus Christ would ever want to know how much one can sin and still be saved. This is a bad state to be in, as it shows one really don’t love the Lord but what you can get from the Lord. If you are saved you will look forward to meeting the Lord Jesus Christ and not just want to make it to heaven. If this is the state one is in, I suggest they should get right with God. Since God is the judge and He will be doing as he pleases and not what some man is telling Him he must do. Then God is the one we should be trying to please and not man. That is why it is called judgement day. God will decide – period. I know I sure don’t want to be there on judgement day and say I once knew Jesus Christ but now I don’t want Him to be my advocate. What do you think Jesus’ Father will say? He is the judge.
One does not lose their salvation they but they can forfeit it.
WHY would Jesus tell us, to be faithful unto DEATH, and we will receive a crown of righteousness? WHY In Revelation, when writing the seven Churches, does He admonish each one: HE THAT OVERCOMETH? WHY should we contend for the faith—be faithful unto death—be an over comer, if regardless what we do as Christians, WE WILL STILL BE SAVED ANYWAY?
Is it possible for a Christian to deny the Lord?
If WE suffer, we shall also reign with Him: If WE deny Him, he also will deny US. - 2 Timothy 2:12
Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father. If on judgement day you are standing alone because you have decided that you do not believe that Jesus died for your sin, then there is no payment for your sin and you will pay for it forever and eternity.
The kind of sin stated in Hebrews 10:26 is a different kind of sin altogether, described in verse 29: "trampled the Son of God under foot," that is, renouncing Christianity. It would make sense in this case that no sacrifice for sins is left, because if a person does not rely on Jesus' perfect sacrifice, what other sacrifice can save them? If Christ's sacrifice is rejected, "no other adequate sacrifice remains."
Things Children of God Can Do:
1. Fall from grace - Gal. 5:1-4,13
2. Be led away with error - 2 Pet. 3:17
3. Err from the truth - James 5:19-20
4. Weak brother may perish - 1 Cor. 8:11
5. Fall into condemnation - James 5:12
6. Be moved away from the hope - Col. 1:21-23
7. Deny the Lord who bought them - 2 Pet. 2:1
8. Depart from the living God - Heb. 3:12
9. Can be a castaway - 1 Cor. 9:27
10. Can become accursed children - 2 Pet. 2:14
Parable of sower
* Mark 4:16 (Luke 8:13) "And in a similar way these are the ones on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with joy; (they believe for a while) and they have no firm root in themselves, but are only temporary; then, when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately they fall away.
Fallen from grace passage:
* Galatians 5:4 "You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace."
Pruning passages:
* John 15:5-6 "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me, and I in him, he bears much fruit; for apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch, and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
* Romans 11:19-23 "You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in." Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will He spare you. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in; for God is able to graft them in again."
Hebrews Passages:
* Hebrews 6:4-6 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God, and put Him to open shame.
* Hebrews 10:26-27 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain terrifying expectation of judgment, and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries."
* Hebrews 10:38-39 "But My righteous one shall live by faith; And if he shrinks back, My soul has no pleasure in him. But we are not of those who shrink back to destruction, but of those who have faith to the preserving of the soul."
Doctrinal Apostasy passages:
* Acts 20:17,28-30 "And from Miletus he sent to Ephesus and called to him the elders of the church." ... "I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves men will arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them."
* 1 Timothy 1:18-21 "fight the good fight, keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith. Among these are HYMENAEUS and Alexander"
* 2 Timothy 2:16-18 But avoid worldly and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness, and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are HYMENAEUS and Philetus, men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and thus they upset the faith of some.
* 1 Timothy 4:1 "But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons"
* 1 Timothy 6:20-21 "O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you, avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is falsely called "knowledge"-which some have professed and thus gone astray from the faith."
* 2 Peter 2:1 "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves."
* 2 Peter 3:17 "You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard lest, being carried away by the error of unprincipled men, you fall from your own steadfastness"
* 2 John 8-9 "Watch yourselves, that you might not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward. Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son."
Moral Apostasy passages:
* 1 Timothy 6:9-10 "But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith, and pierced themselves with many a pang."
* 2 Peter 2:20-22 "For if after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment delivered to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A dog returns to its own vomit," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.""
* James 5:19-20 "My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth, and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death, and will cover a multitude of sins."
Revelation passages:
* Revelation 2:4-5 "'But I have this against you, that you have left your first love. 'Remember therefore from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you, and will remove your lampstand out of its place-unless you repent."
* Revelation 3:5 "'He who overcomes shall thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels.
* Revelation 3:16-17 'So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of My mouth. 'Because you say, "I am rich, and have become wealthy, and have need of nothing," and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked"
Old Testament passages
* Ezekiel 18:24-26 "But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die. "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not right.' Hear now, O house of Israel! Is My way not right? Is it not your ways that are not right? "When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies because of it, for his iniquity which he has committed he will die."
The fact the Bible exhorts to faithfulness proves one can be lost.
1. be steadfast immovable: 1 Cor 15:58
2. If these qualities are yours...2 Pe 1:5-11
3. we will reap if we do not grow weary: Gal 6:9
4. be faithful unto death and I will give crown of life: Rev 2:10
5. practice these things and God will be with you: Phil 4:9
Man has a free will: Josh 24:15 to argue otherwise is nonsense and is a veiled form of existentialism
The Bible clearly prophesied some would fall away: Acts 20:28; 1 Ti 4:1
Christians are to restore the fallen: Gal 6:1; Jas 5:19-20
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I must seriously question wheather those two verses cancels out the purpose and plan of hte ages, redemption?
Rom 5:13...sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Aren't we under grace and not law?
2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
for:
who can stop sinning? who can stop falling short? is there anyone who can do it? if anyone can stop sinning, then Christ didn't do a thing for them, as they can do it all themselves:
Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Joh 6:64-5 But there are some of you that believe not...Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
if i read the context correctly in Hebrews, the discussion centers upon believing Hebrews living in the time when most were not believers, the contrast to 'go on unto perfection' (6.1) spoken to those 'Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing' (Heb 5:11) vs. who would 'draw back' (10.38) - wherein those of that believing congregation were hearing the inspired message of reward and loss of something 'better', that there was, at that time, only one opportunity for Israel's receiving the kingdom message and good news of the real possibility of the then soon coming of the Lord to Mt Zion where He had left - that if any believer returned to dependence upon the sacrifice of animals rather than seeking those 'better things' concerning, and really, like a golden continuous thread , those Hebrew believers heard of those 'better things' that they might know what is their 'better hope' and 'better testament' 'established upon 'better promises' 'with better sacrifices' 'that they might obtain a better resurrection' unto a 'better country', 'better' being the theme of the book of Hebrews, that Israel as a nation would repent and receive their 'at hand' kingdom:
Heb 6:9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
Heb 10:12...he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever...
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Israel would and did "draw back" from this truth, there was no further sacrifice or offering for that nation, but salvation was not the issue (and should never be the issue with believers), but those 'better things' concerning 'the new covenant' could not be realized, we read, but by 'the remnant'.
In AD 70 they were judged into the blindness of national perdition, as was fortold,
We know that's exactly what happened to Israel, they all heard, the sound went out unto the ends of the word went out to the whole world (Rom 10:18-19) - Mark declairs that that commission was completed (Mar 16:20) but Israel remains to this very day in expectation and want of animal sacrifice and ritual to take away her sin-
Oh, Israel might hear of this redemtpion message, but would be blind to actually receiving the truth of it while in the flesh, for it is written of them to whom the letter is addressed, (Rom 11:26)'all Israel shall be saved', (Rom 11:15) For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
Hos 3:4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:
Hos 3:5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.
In John chapter 10, starting at verse 27, we read, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and They Shall Never Perish,” (does that look as though they can slip and fall and pick themselves up again, and again, and again? well no – because The Savior says they can’t; They Shall Never Perish, and not only that) “neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand”. (And the next verse says they can’t be plucked out of the Father’s hand)
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
Well, if that isn’t a guarantee, then I don’t know what is! Three statements there. Three unambiguous statements saying They Shall Never Perish, strongly brought before us by the Savior Himself:
They are in my hands
They are in my Father’s hands
They cannot be plucked out
No exceptions made, He didn’t say they shall never perish until they slip and fall.
Peter says, 1 Peter v. 3:
“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively (Living) hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance Incorruptible, and Undefiled, and that Fadeth not away, Reserved in heaven for you, Who are Kept”
(Kept by who? Kept by You? Kept by me? Oh no, that wouldn’t be good),
“Kept by the Power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.”
Kept, or guarded until the last time. That is future, at the Resurrection. So there is no doubt in Peter’s mind that some could go on for a short time, or even for a long time and then slip and lose Salvation. They’re kept by the power of God right on till the End. Now lets go to Philippians 1 v 3. Paul is thanking them for receiving him and all their loyal fellowship, and he says:
“I thank my God upon every remembrance of you, Always in every prayer of mine for you all making request with joy, For your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now; Being confident of this very thing”, Now, what’s is “This Very Thing”? Well, its this:
“that He (God) which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” Look at the word perform, “will finish it”.
He who has begun is going to finish.
Well, Can God not finish His work if you have fallen away? Well, that can’t be true can it? God doesn’t do His Work by Halves, I think that what some have forgotten, is that the whole thing from start to finish is God’s work and not the believer’s.
He is the One who Saves
He is the One who Begins
And He is the One who Finishes
He doesn’t say, ok, now I’ve started you off and now you can go on on your own strength, oh no, Never. He who has begun is going to finish His Glorious Work. And Loved ones, if that wasn’t so, can’t you see, that the Plan that is made known in the Bible would never come to its Glorious Finish. It would be ruined, because some, who the Lord had Redeemed, just wouldn’t be there. Lets go back to the words of the Savior in John 17:11:
“And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are”.
Keep them, Guard them Father
Through thine own Name
Now, do you think that anyone is going to snatch Salvation away when they are guarded like that? Paul and Peter says you are guarded till that day of Glory. The Savior says the same thing.
“While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept”,
He had kept them, He has kept them, and He keeps telling them that, they’ve been guarded, they are kept:
“and None of them is Lost, but the son of perdition; that the Scripture might be fulfilled”.
He’s referring to the 12, primarily, but surely this is true for all that are His. The Lord has guarded, the Father has guarded, None of His are Lost. But that’s not all, come down to v 24:
“Father, I will”, Now, I can’t say that, I can’t go to the Father and say “I will” (see the 5 I wills of Satan in Isaiah 14:13-14), I can’t make demands like that! I have to come to the Father in supplication before the Great and Mighty God and pray for His Will, but this is The One Who Is Equal, Who Has Said, “I and the Father are One”.
“Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world".
This is the Will of The Son! now, are any going to drop out? are any going to slip and be turned away from God’s Glory who He has already foreordained and now making clear to all whom He Loves? Of course not, that just wouldn’t do, Christ says, All that thou hast given me will be with me and not one will be lost and they will see my Glory. Is that prayer of the Savior going to fail?
Surely this prayer cannot fail, “I have kept them”, and has His Power decreased, is He not able to complete His Plan for His children? Of course not.
Jesus Christ the same
yesterday,
and today,
and forever. All the true seed,
He has kept,
He is keeping,
and He they will be with Him, every single one. You can be sure that this is absolutely true, Praise His Name.
lets go to Romans chapter 8, where we find the Godhead and His Love, who says:
“If God be for us, who can be against us?” Well, its not even worth considering is it? if you’ve got Almighty God for you, on your side, and that is then expanded, in verse 26 telling us we’ve got the Holy Spirit helping our weaknesses. He’s on our side and He’s making intercession for us, then later on not only the Holy Spirit, but the Lord in Glory.
Now those who believe that they can be Saved today and Lost tomorrow, they’ve got the Holy Sprit constantly interceding for them, AND they’ve got the risen Savior who’s doing the same thing, and then apparently that isn’t sufficient to Keep them. They can fall into some sin and then lose everything. Do you believe that? I can’t, I can’t, because I believe this is Absolutely Effective, and not only that, the Glorious challenge at the closing of this chapter would not be true if you could be saved then lost finally through our own failure. Paul says of his persuasion in verse 38:
“For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord”.
Now wouldn’t it be Stupid to say, after all that language, that well, I might sin and lose God’s Salvation? Well lets take that and take comfort from it.
NOTHING can separate you from God’s Infinite Love, for God Is Love, and He is not the God of the Dead but of the Living, and not only that, but if your life is Hid in Christ With God, then NOTHING, NOONE, can take you, not even you yourself.
Is there no something to lose then? Absolutely:
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
No, those two verses in Hebrews 10 are not speaking of warning those believers so much as making it known what was happening to Israel as a nation, for all Israel believed what was written, but only a few, a remnant was it given to receive the truth and Re-Turn again (repent) to the risen Lord, to the truth of the age that stood fast before them;
Amo 3:2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.
Isa 61:7 For your shame ye shall have double
After Acts 28.28, when 'the Salvation of God is sent to the gentiles', the inspired writer tells how he had to lay aside his Hebrewness as a member, not of the kingdom, but of the church which is His body:
Phi 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
Phi 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
Phi 3:15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
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26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
That's Hebrews Chapter 10:26-27
But then there are those verses which talk about "those whom He called, He justified, and He glorified". There's talk of God's discipline.
So which one is true? Did God make some Born Again people to Never live for Him but most others to Get it Right?
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