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epouraniois
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I can't get enough of the study of the word predestinated these days, so much is to be received by it's Biblical usage, comprized of 2 words really, having little to do w/English interpretations, the tribes were given lots, 'cept for Levites, and these lots were the bounds/boundries, wherein we have the meaning of pro-horizo, like the horizon is the boundry where our vision finds it's limit, pro-horizo, meaning to set before hand the boundry wherein we are to walk therein, and as with Judas, the Lord pre knows who will walk within these boundries and who will not
working all things to the pleasure of His will
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re: satan serving God, I would ask for docs to study before I could comment - having satans nature too, perhaps Adam had the fallen nature we inherit, but is it the same as having satans fallen nature? but certainly anti christ in our fallen nature, I mean, satan leads the rebellion as the authority of the aristocracy of heaven, whereas us who walk under the sun who are followers of him, whether knowingly or unknowingly, purposed to lift up satan or ourselves, are deceived by the enemy who has done this, named the deceiver/counterfeiter/spurious messiah and god of this world and prince of the power of the air who is named accountable, \\
Eph 3.10
nevertheless, I feel that Judas is a type or figure showing forth what happens to those who satan does enter, rather than being the son of perdition spoken of in 2 Thes...and perhaps even somewhat of that which we see and read about as mind control by groups like mkultra and the like???
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Those are two ideas worth discussing in regard to 'evil,' Epi ![[Wink]](wink.gif) ...'Satan' and 'antichrist.'
Satan, of course, meaning 'adversary,' 'accuser': an entity that serves God, actually - by providing opposition, temptation, and even sometimes acting as a catalyst, perhaps. In the case of Judas, that's the role I perceive (presently).
But Satan did not act as 'antichrist,' the way I see it - perhaps there were many purposes for entering Judas (I strongly suspect it is very complex) on various levels. God is exceedingly efficient so that's more likely than not. I don't think of Satan as 'antichrist' because he is serving the role God has assigned.
'Antichrist' is simply anyone/thing/idea/spirit against Christ and the work going on in fulfillment of His sacrifice. The bottom line, bluntly examined, is that every soul is born into this world 'antichrist,' because we are born, by necessity, requiring 'ego' in order to grow up physically. We are thus born 'in sin.' It is our
materially-confined state of being that deceives us into thinking we are each independent and separate - and anything but the idea of 'unity' is emnity with God (because unity is the product of loving one another as He loves us all).
So, then, it would be that Satan first interacted with Judas, and the actions of Judas following were definitely anti-christ on one level - in regard to he obviously wasn't thinking about anything more than his own ends when he plotted with Caiaphas and Annas to betray Jesus.
On the other hand, he wasn't really damaging anyone but himself by acting in this fashion - while he had a devastating reaction afterward, he
did every other soul a favor, of sorts...
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Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
now, using me as any ole example, I could be in the spirit of antichrist, but that would not make me THE antichrist, and Biblically, we are always given types and figures of the true, and this brings to mind that long after Judas expired, the inspired writers still speak of the man of sin,and not only does Job and Genesis tell us who the great spiritual foe is, Christ tells us explicitly that Satan entered into Peter (Mat 16:23) desiring to sift him (Luk 22:31), as well as entering into Judas (Luk 22:3). Note that his name is specially given for emphasis, Iscariot = a man of murder; a hireling
When we read to put on the new man in the prison epistles, this is based upon a given structure, even a super structure, for it is not anything that man can do, as this putting on must be done in the new creation which is made by Christ as given us in (Eph2), and even this is by founded of acknowledgment where (Eph 1:13) 'trusted' is founded in what the Lord has done, the Lord's work, the Lord's will, and the Lord's purpose, additionally founded upon the supposition that no matter what evil is imposed upon the mind of man, from either w/in or w/out, the Lord's plan of redemption can in no wise be retarted, or fail to reach it's forgone conclusion - and this being accomplished w/out using any of the sinful ways which we are exposed to, for one thing is clear in this, we do not know, and have not understood what true holiness is, nor did Israel, even though they had true holiness in the midst of them for an example, ho hagion there, beyond the inner veil -
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him
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What a sorrowful enigma Judas Iscariot is for me! He served as a lesson in avoiding judging the motives of those whose hearts I can not know - from a very early age. On the one hand, he committed an unspeakable act of treason (of the worst kind - betrayal of friendship); on the other hand, surely he did God's will. In this case, there is a third hand. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) Judas, on a personal level, lost this significant battle with the adversary sent into him after he accepted the sop of bread from his master's hand...
I have even wondered, did he just not pay attention when he should have? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Jesus said, 'whoever takes this bread from my hand,' and yet you would think not a single disciple would have done so. Unless he hadn't heard it. I don't find anything in the fourth gospel to say that the words were spoken quietly. And in Matthew's gospel we find:
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Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.
(~Matthew 26:25 KJV)
Anyway, back to your intended context in regard to evil:
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But godliness with contentment is great gain.
For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
(~1 Timothy 6:6-10 KJV)
Judas, in being the treasurer of the band (although seemingly a necessary post that someone had to fill, just as the role of betrayer had to be filled), is presented as one whose motivations were not perhaps of the same tone as the other 12. Jesus called each of these men, in turn, and each followed. The reasons Jesus chose whom he did are not a mystery--and I am sure that all but Judas were compelled in their very soul to follow.
But what was in the soul and heart of Judas Iscariot? He had been caught embezzling - obviously godliness wasn't enough to provide him contentment - he had a love of money from what we read in certain passages such as when Jesus was anointed the week before the crucifixion.
Perhaps he saw an opportunity to increase his worldly self, somehow, by joining this new movement. That is, until it became apparent that the movement was doomed and the leader was sure to be tried by the Sanhedrin on some grave offense. And, in those days of false messiahs whom were always seen as pestilence by the leaders of the Jewish community - to be a follower of one of these could very well gain a disciple a similar punishment, in the aftermath. Obviously this was a prevailing thought of all the remaining disciples after the crucifixion; they spent several days cowering together in fear for their lives and uncertainty of the future. The thirty pieces of silver (the price of a slave) that Judas received really wasn't that much; perhaps his more prominent motivation was the thought of some sort of immunity with the Sanhedrin, once Jesus was done away with.
It was Judah's idea to sell Joseph to the Midianites, for 20 pieces of silver (the price of a slave in those times). The one separated from his brethren was destined to deliver his family. Without that betrayal and subsequent regret (I'm sure he, and the rest, felt, especially at the sight of Jacob's grief) the family that seeded Israel would have perished in the famine in Canaan.
Jacob's deathbed blessing to Joseph, in Genesis 49:22-26, is very significant in regard to Jesus's role later on.
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Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
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What was wrong with this man? How could he live for 3 years in
Christ's inner circle and then betray the best friend he ever had?
Judas is an important part of our spiritual education. His hopes,
dreams, and mistakes are on record for our benefit. The darkness
that surrounded him is for our enlightenment. His grief and regret
are described to help us draw near to the love of God.
In the following study, RBC research editor Dennis Fisher shows us
how the life of Judas can help us to understand not only the
inclinations of our own human nature but the danger of a darkness
that hides in the light.
UNDER THE COVER OF DARKNESS
In J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord Of The Rings, an inscription on a gold
ring describes the moral struggle between good and evil.
One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring
them all, And in the darkness bind them.
In Tolkien's imaginary world of hobbits, dwarfs, elves, and humans,
the one who possesses this "ring of power" is given long life and
the ability to become invisible by wearing it. But the ring has a
dark side: It carries the corrupting influence of evil. Over time,
the ring takes possession of the one who has it. As it darkens the
soul of its owner, it reaches out to harm others.
Today the concept of evil is often ignored, except as entertainment
in novels and movies. But the Bible portrays evil as both real and
dangerous.
Part of evil's danger is that it operates under the cover of
darkness (Jn. 3:19). The hidden and secretive qualities of evil are
some of its most disturbing elements.
Like colorless and odorless carbon monoxide, evil can remain
undetected for extended periods of time and can kill without warning.
Perhaps even more insidious, however, is the ability of evil to
mimic goodness. People are surprised, even shocked, to learn that
evil often uses sacred settings as a cover. The apostle Paul,
writing to followers of Christ living in Corinth, warned of those
who use the language of spirituality as a disguise:
What I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the
opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just
as we are in the things of which they boast. For such are false
apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles
of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into
an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers
also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end
will be according to their works (2 Cor. 11:12-15).
As early as the first century, self-proclaimed "apostles" were
pretending to work as ministers of the gospel while actually opposing
the work of God.
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