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WhiteEagle
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Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
Hi White Eagle: I dont know that this group was speaking the truth at all; actually what they were doing was doctrinally unsound. WHat they might better have been doing was praying.
There is no example in the Bible that teaches the church that they are to seek to change society by protest.
2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
I like the quote myself.
Speaking the truth in love, in my mind means that the reason in your heart for speaking it is because you love God and thus you have a burden for men to know the truth...
Jesus spoke the truth in love when the truth was "Thou Hipocrite" to the Pharisee.
Jesus spoke the truth in love when HE was turning over the tables of the moneychangers in the temple.
I agree, but we can't really love God unless we love our brothers and sisters on earth. That's in 1 John.
I also agree it's a spiritual battle, not of flesh and blood, and prayer would be the effective way to to reach people, not protesting.
I guess New England still has the spirit of Puritanism hanging around. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
We don't have the public stocks or buring witches any more.
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helpforhomeschoolers
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Sometimes I hate this white board and and type, because it can be so hard to get your point accross without being misunderstood. In person you have all kinds of things that help say what your trying to say.. expressions and body language and whatever...
Any way.
Yes, I was making the point that the best thing that they could do to help that situation would be to pray... for the owner of the store that thinks that this is the way to get customers; for the women that were modeling, and for the people who were oogling and for the spirutal warfare in their community. In our community we have seen bars close and casinos close there doors when a church begins to actively walk the neigborhood in prayer... not a crowd so as to draw attention to oneself, but 2 or 4 in a group and every one who wants taking a day and every day walking the neighborhood in prayer.
As for Jesus, I was trying to make the point that the picture we have of what love looks like is not completely accurate and I gave HIM in that situation as an example.
Sometimes love is a mom spaking a child; sometimes love is a friend, screeming at the top of their lungs "move that car is going to hit you!!!!!!!" Sometimes love is a friend saying to another..."You are being a jerk; she is write and you brother are dead wrong; go home and apologize to your wife!"
Love has many faces, voices, volumes, and tones. That is the point that I was making.
Besides, today, it would be hard to turn over tables in the temple since we are the temple. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Pleasemaranatha
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Maybe I misunderstood you. Did I get it upside down? ![[updown]](graemlins/updown.gif) I guess you are saying not to protest but to pray. You were saying only Jesus could turn over tables not us right?
Sorry ![[Confused]](confused.gif) I read too fast.
Forgive me please
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Pleasemaranatha
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Helpforthehomeschoolers we are not Jesus.
Only Jesus could say and do what He did because He was and is pure and holy. We are saved by grace and covered by His blood but we aren't to put ourselves as if we are Him. We aren't on His level. Our righteousness is as filthy rags. How can we compare ourselves in that way to Jesus. That is why we need Him. We are still running the race and aren't finished yet. I disagree with your examples.
God Bless
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SoftTouch
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Originally posted by helpforhomeschoolers:
Speaking the truth in love, in my mind means that the reason in your heart for speaking it is because you love God and thus you have a burden for men to know the truth...
And another Huge AMEN to this! ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Psalm 119:104Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way. 105Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
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helpforhomeschoolers
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Hi White Eagle: I dont know that this group was speaking the truth at all; actually what they were doing was doctrinally unsound. WHat they might better have been doing was praying.
There is no example in the Bible that teaches the church that they are to seek to change society by protest.
2 Corinthians 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
I like the quote myself.
Speaking the truth in love, in my mind means that the reason in your heart for speaking it is because you love God and thus you have a burden for men to know the truth...
Jesus spoke the truth in love when the truth was "Thou Hipocrite" to the Pharisee.
Jesus spoke the truth in love when HE was turning over the tables of the moneychangers in the temple.
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SoftTouch
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Originally posted by hardcore:
Did anyone else catch this at the top of the CBBS page?
This is for all of my fellow warriors aka doctrine hounds. You know who you are! ![[thumbsup2]](graemlins/thumbsup2.gif)
"It is better to be divided by truth than united in error; it is better to speak truth that hurts and then heals than to speak a lie; it is better to be hated for telling the truth than to be loved for telling a lie; it is better to stand alone with truth than to be wrong with the multitude...The religion of today is ‘get-along-ism.’ It is time for men and women of God to stand, [even] if they have to stand alone." ~ Adrian Rogers
AMEN my Sister! AMEN!
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Psalm 119:104Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way. 105Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
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WhiteEagle
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Originally posted by hardcore:
Did anyone else catch this at the top of the CBBS page?
This is for all of my fellow warriors aka doctrine hounds. You know who you are!
"It is better to be divided by truth than united in error; it is better to speak truth that hurts and then heals than to speak a lie; it is better to be hated for telling the truth than to be loved for telling a lie; it is better to stand alone with truth than to be wrong with the multitude...The religion of today is ‘get-along-ism.’ It is time for men and women of God to stand, [even] if they have to stand alone." ~ Adrian Rogers
I find this quote to be inadequate.
Truth alone can be damaging.
We are to speak the Truth in Love.
Example:
We have a group Christians in my area that recently staged a picket protest outside of a lingerie store. They were protesting the sales promotion used by particular shop. The store has real people modeling the underwear in the front window. Good looking shapely young women that is.
The protest effected no change in the store's practices. It ended up that the protesting Christians looked like hard unloving and judgemental type people who just wanted to paint a symbolic Scarlet Letter on the store.
I can think of all kinds of reasons outside of scripture of not to parade around in underwear in public view. I mean who wants dirty old men and creeps leering at one? Who wants to start getting obscene phone calls? I certainly wouldn't want my daughter to do this for a job.
On the other hand we currently live in a culture that shows real people in underwear every day on TV, and magazine ads, and people wear less at public beaches most of the time. (I don't say that to condone this, but to point out the reality of our culture and how people are not generally shocked, as we are used to seeing these things) I AM NOT SAYING THAT GOD'S STANDARD FOR MODESTY HAS CHANGED EITHER.
The other reality is that we can not shame people into following Christian standards, nor should we be forcing them to adhere to Bibical standards of dress.
The more Christian response would be to go to the shop and buy something, if we could, and show love to the people involved.
Truth without the Love of Christ is void.
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hardcore
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Did anyone else catch this at the top of the CBBS page?
This is for all of my fellow warriors aka doctrine hounds. You know who you are!
"It is better to be divided by truth than united in error; it is better to speak truth that hurts and then heals than to speak a lie; it is better to be hated for telling the truth than to be loved for telling a lie; it is better to stand alone with truth than to be wrong with the multitude...The religion of today is ‘get-along-ism.’ It is time for men and women of God to stand, [even] if they have to stand alone." ~ Adrian Rogers
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