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Chaplain Bob
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While no one knows the timing of the end-time events it is my belief that the "Rapture" will not take place for at least one thousand years.
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Bob Allen
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BORN AGAIN
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hi, strongmeat, you write quote:
What the head (Christ) started in the first three and a half years will be completed by the body (the glorious church)in the last three and a half years.We shall then enter into the greater works.' Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.'(Jn.14:12)
Could be. We certainly as a body of Christ have not seen that scripture really fulfilled where as a body of Christ we do greater works toward the end than He did. Sounds good to me.
God bless, ![[Cross]](graemlins/cross.gif) BORN AGAIN
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epouraniois
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When I study the word hope, a word which is closely associated with the Day of the Lord, it seems to have to do with ones calling, which is vitally linked to ones 'adoption.
Paul said after Acts, where the immenent return of the Lord was in view, that he now awaited the Lord's appearing, not His coming.
I find nothing involved with the word hope and flying away from the planet, niether do I find anyone being changed before the dead in Christ who rise first, and even they do not rise first until the last trumpet sounds.
Certainly there is nothing I have found showing the Lord having a second and then a third advent. Is the subject in 2nd Thes 2 really speaking about leaving the earth? Just putting out some food for thought.
Personally, it is rare for me to shut off any further revelation in what I perceive to be depths unplumible in the verses which make up God's understanding which He gives to us. I am open to futher study, for I am nothing and know nothing before the great and might God who knows the end from the beginning.
I would urge all using the word rapture to look up it's meaning in it's original language, Latin.
In fact I am editing this in for those who do not know, the word means, Violence of a pleasing passion. A state or experience of being carried away by overwhelming emotion, ecstasy, or passion in a carnal, sensual, sexual manner.
Today, some dictionaries still define rape to include any serious and destructive assault against a person or community. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape
Just because words change, and we now use them differently according to Websters, it must be noted that God wrote to the common man, and this was written to the common man living 2,ooo years ago, and they didn't use their common word for rape in place of resurrection to my knowledge.
Resurrection, imo, should not be associated with that word, nor is it, Biblically. Probably why the word isn't used once.
Resurrection is said to come as lightning, in a moment, that's the Greek word atome meaning the smallest slice time could possibly be sliced into. Resurrection is not said to come violently, rather quickly.
Agape.
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Adv.Christian
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The debate over post, pre, and mid tribulation rapture will continue for as long as the Lord Terries. Man’s mind is incapable of comprehending the organization of God’s plan due to man’s highly limited mental ability. As long as we ( we being man kind) continue to attempt to understand the rapture and all of the implications there of from with in the constraints of lineal time we will never come to any facsimile of a complete understanding. All things happen in God’s time and as we all are aware of time as we know it has no effect on God. The entire concept of tribulation is a debate over time not occurrence. There are too many Biblical conflicts with any particular one of the beliefs of post, pre, or mid tribulation and since we know God’s Word dose not contain errors the error must be in our understanding of what is written. To began to grasp the concept I humbly suggest taking a long look at all scriptures supporting each view and then look at how they over lap when you remove the effects of timing in the equation. While I will admit it is difficult to begin to grasp the concept, or at least it was for me, once the theory becomes clearer you began to see how all scripture is in fact understood from a limited view. By removing chronological restraints from Biblical interpretation many of the items people find confusing or used by some in an inept attempt to show the Bible to be in error are removed. Well I must go for now, my love to all and May God Bless. ![[Prayer]](graemlins/prayer.gif)
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oneyearandcounting
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I have a question. It came to me while watching Ththe TBN pledgeathon. Lets just say there isn't a pre trib rapture. Now lets say thatthe little chips that eveyone thinks is the mark is the mark. IF you believe in a pretrib rapture and they are handing out a chip do you take it.
I mean do you say well I'm still here this can't be the mark or do you say oops I was wrong.
Just curious.
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greg
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strongmeat
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Dear BornAgain,
I agree with you. The last day will be the end of the church age.Moreover, the sounding of the seventh trumpet actually brings in the eternal day, since time shall be no more.
My brother,let us draw near to God. In the tribulation period those who know God shall do exploits in His name.Seven is the Biblical number of completion. Jesus Christ ministered for three and a half years while on earth. Three and a half does not represent completion. Another three and a half years are needed to total seven. What the head (Christ) started in the first three and a half years will be completed by the body (the glorious church)in the last three and a half years.We shall then enter into the greater works.' Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.'(Jn.14:12)
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Heb.5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
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BORN AGAIN
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dear strongmeat: quote:
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father who has sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. {bold by BORN AGAIN}
"at the last day." I think that is a compelling statement, "at the last day".
What is "the last day"? Is it "the last day" of the church age and the start of the divine reign of the Prince Yahshua-Jesus? I think it is.
Especially, when tied to "the last trumpet", at "the last trumpet" of Revelation 11:15, "when the seventh angel begins to sound, then the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdoms of our Lord".
Also, the The dead are changed at "the last trumpet", in the twinkling of an eye (the Rapture), occurs at that same last trumpet:
1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our LORD, and of His Christ; and He shall reign forever and ever.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
At the last day must mean the last day of the church age?
God bless, BORN AGAIN
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TEXASGRANDMA
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Like I said I appreicate your right to your belief but the 4 studies I did, and the one I am doing now at Church does use the Bible. And yes, my heart was open. I spent two weeks in prayer asking God to show me the truth a year ago. God gave me peace in my heart that the tribulation is not for the Church. Nothing you can say will steal the peace that God gave me.
But, I wish you only the best and welcome to the board.
betty
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strongmeat
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I also held to the pre-trib position for several years. However, when I laid aside the pre-trib bestsellers and my prejudices, and went to the word of God with an open heart the correctness of the post-tribulation position was inescapble.
Regards in Christ Jesus
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Heb.5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
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TEXASGRANDMA
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I respect your right to your beliefs, but after 4 sudies on the end times, my belief in the pre-trib raptue is unsakeable. God bless you,
betty
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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strongmeat
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In this time so many things are happening all around us and many are asking 'when will the rapture take place?' I sumbit the following for prayerful reading by believers.
Consider this prayerfully. Jesus said in John 6:44 ‘No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.’ See also John 6: 39-40, 54. It is clear that all believers will be raised up at the last day. Paul said in 1 Cor.15:51-53 ‘Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.’ We can only be raptured when our bodies are changed. This will happen when the last trumpet sounds.. When is the last trumpet going to sound? The only place we read of trumpets sounding after Paul wrote 1Cor.15 is in the book of Revelation. Seven trumpets are mentioned. Seven is the Biblical number of completion or totality. The seventh trumpet is the last trumpet. We read in Rev.10:5-7 ‘And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.’ Notice that the angel swore that time should be no longer when the seventh angel sounds. The last day of John 6 is the same as when time should be no longer. The rapture takes place when the seventh trumpet sounds. From Rev.11:14-18 we learn that the seventh trumpet comes after the second woe. The seventh trumpet heralds the rapture of believers and the ushering in of the third woe, the seven vials full of the wrath of God. The church is in the tribulation period but not in the time of the vials of wrath. He who has ears to hear, let him hear. Amen
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Heb.5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
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