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No I am not a Freemason. I am a Messianic Jew. I believe God, Jesus and the Bible. I believe the Jesus was born, was crucified and did resurrect from the grave and that one day He will return. I believe the earth and everything in it was created in 6 literal days. I believe Jesus was born of a virgin. Truly God and Truly Man. Perfect from birth on to resurection. I believe God has given his instruction thru His Word.
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**NEWSFLASH!!!**
AMERICAN CHRISTIAN FREEMASONS DENOUNCE FREEMASONRY AS BABY-EATING SATANISTS, RESPONSIBLE FOR ROCK MUSIC, MARILYN MANSON, AND THE NEW WORLD ORDER!!!
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That text book is from my Junior year of High School. Well actually the class was a mix between seniors and juniors. I remember my teacher who put her career on the line and taught the mandatory evolution and also creation. Mrs Tarrello was fired during Christmas break.
As for Dr Hovind, He received his Doctorate in Christian Education from Patriot Bible Univeristy. Which is accredited through American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions.
Yes, that was under discussion a bit earlier, also quoted earlier:
"Critics of Hovind have charged that Patriot Bible University is a diploma mill, as it has unreasonably low graduation requirements, lack of sufficient faculty or educational standards, and a suspicious tuition scheme, among other issues...
Hovind may have a "Doctorate in Christian Education" - but that does not establish him as a science or biology authority.
Also wondering - does he have a Bachelor's and Master's degree in Christian education as well??
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Have you ever hear of Dallas Theological Seminary? Guess what is their accreditaiton?
I do not know if you are a Christian, but many Christian Universities do not seek to be endorse by the Government. And do you know why?
Certainly! They often do not meet accreditation requirements.
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When Unlce Sam endorses an institution, it can also mendle in and start governing what is taught and what is not taught.
One of major changes in the Military Chaplaincy is that when a person seeks to be commission in the Military as a Chaplain. That person has to be so verstaile that his basic belief which motivates his faith will be watered down.
I have done 21 years in the military and know for myself what I am talking about. There are alot of good people who are generally agnostics or aethist who seem to have better ethics than some people who claim to be Christians. I seen both sides of the coins.
OK.
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Why I would not choose a secular education?
1- The curricula teaches "if it feels go, then its okay"
I'm not understanding that.
"if it feels go, then its okay" - you seem to be just recycling a cliche' here.
What in the world would that even be taught under? Pop culture? Ethics? Philsophy? Not sure.
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2- It is okay to direspect your parents when they against your feeling.
That's another one that's a bit hard to understand, and I seriously doubt if it has anything to do with school accreditation. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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3- I have two daddies "Endorse the gay and alternative life style" This book is mandatory in kindergarten, first, second grades.
That really has nothing to do w/ Hovind, or college-level accreditation.
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4- Secular schools teach there is no god.
No they don't. Even if this was somehow included in school curricula - in what subject area would it be presented?
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5- Secular schools belong to the government
That's pretty vague, but hey! - There are some MAJOR ADVANTAGES to that, such as standardization of curricula over wide geographical areas for instance. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Did you know that education system is not about teaching but about brainwashing kids for the NEW WORLD ORDER
Did you know the New World Order mandates, there is no religion other that what is approved by the UN.
Sorry, but that's largely a load of bunk propaganda that you're just recycling. I've certainly heard it many times before.
"New World Order/Novus Ordo Seclorum is a term that goes back to previous centuries. Nothing new really.
Btw eduardo - did you know that most all non-denominal "Christian Schools" in the U.S. are run by the American (Christian) Freemasonry Movement??? I know this first-hand, having attended and graduated from one.
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One day we will wake up and find ourselves in the New World Order.
Hey! Wait a minute ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) ....I thought we were already supposed to be in it!!##@@$$??? I mean....since all the way back in 1991-1992 with Bush the Elder!!??
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Currently today in Philadelphia; Corpus Christi and one other place where the are telling the homeless unless you take this ID Chip- you will not receive any goverment benefits. Here in Texas we must be on a national ID card system by the year 2008.
Sounds strange but it is true.
Yes, it does sound strange, and it's also true that this sort of stuff is largely a bunch of urban myth propaganda as well.
I mean - it just pays to discern and be informed.
(hey...psst...Eduardo - you're a Freemason, right??? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) )
btw - I really don't have a problem w/ that
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That text book is from my Junior year of High School. Well actually the class was a mix between seniors and juniors. I remember my teacher who put her career on the line and taught the mandatory evolution and also creation. Mrs Tarrello was fired during Christmas break.
As for Dr Hovind, He received his Doctorate in Christian Education from Patriot Bible Univeristy. Which is accredited through American Accrediting Association of Theological Institutions.
Have you ever hear of Dallas Theological Seminary? Guess what is their accreditaiton?
I do not know if you are a Christian, but many Christian Universities do not seek to be endorse by the Government. And do you know why?
When Unlce Sam endorses an institution, it can also mendle in and start governing what is taught and what is not taught.
One of major changes in the Military Chaplaincy is that when a person seeks to be commission in the Military as a Chaplain. That person has to be so verstaile that his basic belief which motivates his faith will be watered down.
I have done 21 years in the military and know for myself what I am talking about. There are alot of good people who are generally agnostics or aethist who seem to have better ethics than some people who claim to be Christians. I seen both sides of the coins.
Why I would not choose a secular education?
1- The curricula teaches "if it feels go, then its okay"
2- It is okay to direspect your parents when they against your feeling.
3- I have two daddies "Endorse the gay and alternative life style" This book is mandatory in kindergarten, first, second grades.
4- Secular schools teach there is no god
5- Secular schools belong to the government
Did you know that education system is not about teaching but about brainwashing kids for the NEW WORLD ORDER
Did you know the New World Order mandates, there is no religion other that what is approved by the UN.
One day we will wake up and find ourselves in the New World Order. Currently today in Philadelphia; Corpus Christi and one other place where the are telling the homeless unless you take this ID Chip- you will not receive any goverment benefits. Here in Texas we must be on a national ID card system by the year 2008.
Sounds strange but it is true.
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Well, Eduardo, let me give you my interpretation of the textbook passage you cited
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"That life started billions of years ago, when the waters washed upon the rocks through the essence of time life began as a floating amoeba to the current life forms we have today."
The Text Book "Biology and Earth Science". printed 1973
Stamp of approval by the U.S. Department of Education.
..."Long ago and far away on a dark and stormy night etc..., as waves crashed upon the rocks of a distant shore, over countless eons of time, eventually life began as a 'floating amoeba' ![[pound]](graemlins/pound.gif) eventually becoming the life forms we have today"
I'd strongly discourage anyone from concluding that the text claims "life began from rocks" - it's not really claiming that, it's more an example of easy-to-read introductory science prose ...and btw -an "amoeba" was not the first life form. ...more like viral components.
Eduardo, what I think we're seeing here, is classic example of (early 70's era?) lagging third-rate science education, altho I'm not really sure what grade level this is at (good grief! Not High School,I hope???)
Sciences may not have been your strong area (it was'nt mine either at the time), but with source material like this, it's easy to see why somebody might largely dismiss "science", in favor of something with a more reassuring,personal, entertaining, feel-good approach.
I assume you were in school at that time? (approx. 1973?).....Do you recall any of your science teachers warning students about "SLIM" disease, spreading around the African continent, that may break out as a world-wide plague??? I recall hearing about it twice. Today we know it as AIDS.
At least I can give school-age science curricula some credit.
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Rocks" don't "evolve" into animals, your perception or (mis)understanding of this is wayyyy off base, and biological sciences make no such claim to begin with.
No I do not think so. First off all, I have studied science especially biological and health sciences. I can read the preface to Evoultionary Science and I still have my textbook. Which I quote, "That life started billions of years ago, when the waters washed upon the rocks through the essence of time life began as a floating amoeba to the current life forms we have today."
The Text Book "Biology and Earth Science". printed 1973
Stamp of approval by the U.S. Department of Education.
I do not believe in Evolution, nor do I believe in the seperation issues that dinosaurs existed before humans. I am a creationist.
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A thesis declares what you believe and what you intend to prove. A good thesis statement makes the difference between a thoughtful research project and a simple retelling of facts.
In science, a theory is a proposed description, explanation, or model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation.
Evolution is incapable of being tested through experimentation, observation or by lab work. Hence, calling it the "theory of evolution" is a false premise implying it can be documented as an observable outcome. It can not be verified nor observed! Thus calling it a "theory" is another misdirection that attempts to validate it as "factual". Just another subtle lie that's used to support the fallacy.
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oi vey - it's turning into one of "those" discussions
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I would rather believe that God has created man in His image to even think that all life occurred out of primordial soup.
First off - "primordial soup" is not really a valid scientific term...but secondly....stop and think for a minute of the inside of a woman's womb shortly after conception. "Primordial soup" anyone?? Life "occurring there"??
I mean, I know that's not really addressing strict biological evolutionary processes, but it's worth pondering.
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There are so many loop holes to the evolution theory that anyone willing to believe that a rock could evolve into a human or even yet a crockdile then I question their inteligent.
"Rocks" don't "evolve" into animals, your perception or (mis)understanding of this is wayyyy off base, and biological sciences make no such claim to begin with.
Yes, I would question their intelligence as well...but y'know - if you stop to think about it...humans and myriad other life forms contain calcium, sodium chloride, magnesium salts...iron compounds...iodine...just to name a very few. ...and they are inanimate "dead chemicals" to boot!
The "loopholes" are a result of the evolutionary model(s) being, in most cases, incomplete, and always subject to new, or revising data.
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DR Hovind is a Creationist.
He is not legitimately a "DR".
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Any God fearing Christian who claim evolution as the beginning of life is not well centered in their faith.
Evolution does not really address "the beginning of life".
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For instance, if the earth is billions of billions years old, then the population of all living things would be to great for this earth to maintain.
I'm not sure how you've arrived at this claim (or source info?).
Disease, extinction and individual death(s) handle what (I think) you're claiming here.
Besides, the Earth was without any life whatsoever for at least the first 2-3 billion years.
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In Colorado where they store ICE cores that are drilled out of the Antartica and Greenland ice caps's the scientists there say the earth is at least 125,000 years, because the scientist assume the difference in dark and light rings are annual rings. However anyone who have grown up in the north where it snows emmensely will tell you, the rings are in relation to warm-cold relationship. On any one day the weather could bring many warm-cold situations. It is the natural thawing and refreezing of the ice.
I'm not really sure what you're saying here..."In Colorado where they store ICE cores that are drilled....the scientists there say the earth is at least 125,000 years,... ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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I believe the earth to be young and as well as no more than 10,000. I believe in the biblical account of Noahs Flood to be world wide. In recorded time alone the Hebrew Calendar year is 5767, Chinese calendar year is similar. Too many skeptics will go out of their way to lure people away from free salvation of the Lord.
The fact that Hebrew & Chinese calendars indicate such figures only shows when and at what point in history they began a consensus recording of time.
It's a societal event that only indicates when these cultures began recording time, and would be completely independent from a previous "sudden-cataclysmic- appearance-of-everything-that-is" event, a.k.a. the Cosmic Creation.
btw - the very first Chinese civilizations - the early/middle/late Joman era has been traced as far back as 7000-8000 BC and considered to have origins as far back as 11000 bc., so ultimately we likely don't really have the "very first" Chinese calendar in existence today.
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[QB] "Species" evolution is 180 degrees different than anything so-called mircoevolution supposedly is. I've never heard Hovind argue otherwise and I've yet to see any evidence to prove it. As a matter of fact, Macroevolution is not even a theory (although that's what it's called)--it's merely a thesis only.
Oops - You'll have to explain what the difference between thesis and theory is, in this instance. ![[1zhelp]](graemlins/1zhelp.gif)
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That's a cop out. Prove that he was motivated by greed. Or prove that he even lied and lied about what? I have no idea what his defense was in court; I don't believe that's the basis for the government's claim--I could be wrong.
I'd need access to Hovind's tax records to get anywhere in that area.
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Then I'll also need proof that the tenents of your argument is insipred by God as you claim.
Whew - well the last one's easy anyways - "Proof" of Divine inspiration pretty much boils down to - Cuz I sez so!! - So there's your proof!! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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I would rather believe that God has created man in His image to even think that all life occurred out of primordial soup. There are so many loop holes to the evolution theory that anyone willing to believe that a rock could evolve into a human or even yet a crockdile then I question their inteligent. DR Hovind is a Creationist. Any God fearing Christian who claim evolution as the beginning of life is not well centered in their faith. For instance, if the earth is billions of billions years old, then the population of all living things would be to great for this earth to maintain. In Colorado where they store ICE cores that are drilled out of the Antartica and Greenland ice caps's the scientists there say the earth is at least 125,000 years, because the scientist assume the difference in dark and light rings are annual rings. However anyone who have grown up in the north where it snows emmensely will tell you, the rings are in relation to warm-cold relationship. On any one day the weather could bring many warm-cold situations. It is the natural thawing and refreezing of the ice. I believe the earth to be young and as well as no more than 10,000. I believe in the biblical account of Noahs Flood to be world wide. In recorded time alone the Hebrew Calendar year is 5767, Chinese calendar year is similar. Too many skeptics will go out of their way to lure people away from free salvation of the Lord.
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"Species" evolution is 180 degrees different than anything so-called mircoevolution supposedly is. I've never heard Hovind argue otherwise and I've yet to see any evidence to prove it. As a matter of fact, Macroevolution is not even a theory (although that's what it's called)--it's merely a thesis only.
That's a cop out. Prove that he was motivated by greed. Or prove that he even lied and lied about what? I have no idea what his defense was in court; I don't believe that's the basis for the government's claim--I could be wrong.
Then I'll also need proof that the tenents of your argument is insipred by God as you claim.
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If anyone could prove evolution, then it would be immaterial how the "contractual" challenge read.
Ok -
1.) Evolution has indeed been "proven" on the "micro" scale.
2.) We live, ultimately, on the "micro" scale.
3.) As above, so below.
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I have no indication that he "lied", as you charged, and I doubt if you do either. I'm not defending him other than challenging the fact your argument is loose.
Yes, my argument is loose,it is from YHWH who guides my hands.
Kent Hovind lied in order to make money, altho he may not have been aware of this at the time. He was basically a LIAR by vocation.
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I'm not sure if his tax problems were motivated by "greed". These are payroll taxes he didn't pay, not income taxes. I can understand his protest, but not sure I can his reasonableness and method. What right does a government have in taking capital from an organization it didn't create and then penalizing it with a payroll tax? I can understand and appreciate his point of view, but I can't condone it.
If anyone could prove evolution, then it would be immaterial how the "contractual" challenge read. I have no indication that he "lied", as you charged, and I doubt if you do either. I'm not defending him other than challenging the fact your argument is loose.
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I'm not exactly sure which issues we're getting at here....
**Hovind's tax problems-that I'll suggest may well have been rooted in his own greed, ignorance, neglect, and having been deluded & misguided by the (fraudulent) anti-tax protester movement.
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**That Hovind largely based his "ministry" on mis-representating scientific work, studies, and data, so he could then appear to heroically "debunk" them to his gullible audiences - and often times engaging in blatant lies concerning supposed "claims of science", ignoring certain areas of valid evidence he could'nt refute, and of course his phony $250,000 reward to anyone who could "prove evolution" that was worded in such a way that there was no possibility of his ever having to actually pay it!
Sorry, but that last one right there, is contractual fraud in a nutshell.
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It means he needs to repent.
It means he might have been “Born Again” or maybe he only had mental assent.
It means he was human like the rest of us.
It means we all need to take the Christian life serious,…
“Therefore we ought to pay greater attention to the things that were heard, lest perhaps we drift away.
For if the word spoken through angels proved steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense;
how will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation-which at the first having been spoken through the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard;” Hebrews 2:1-3
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so what does this mean?
he's another purpose calling himself a Christian but really isn't?
like those "God Hates Fags" people, the world won't tolerate them much longer and they, along with muslims, and just all other criminals mess it up for the TRUE People of God.
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Yes, Independent Fundamentalist are considered localized "church cults" by at least one source that I have seen.
btw - they also include other sects beside Baptist, but Baptist and Pentecostals are the two biggest affiliations.
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I got the impression that Hovind's presentations were open to anyone. And his "tapes" are free to anyone as well. So I'm not sure he was being "separate".
I've watched alot of his lectures, but never got the impression that was his aim. Who knows anymore these days though.
What you describe does sound a bit cultist. Almost like the Amish. I've never seen them verbally witness or proclaim the way to salvation. But they are separate and insist on doing things "their way"--that's for sure.
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. I've never heard of Fundamental Baptist ministries. What has the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church done that is concerning to you?
From me on Exposing the Exposers "A lot of these 'prophets' seem to have tunnel vision and it makes me wonder if they are of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church movement. That church refuses to fellowship with anyone other than in their own group. They won't have anything to do with outside functions or joint meetings . They remain separate and have lots to say about anyone and everyone who worhips the least bit differenty than they do. What does that remind you of? A cult. Any church outside of their group is a target and cannot possibly escape the barbs.
Reminds me of the Pharisees, who came strongly against Jesus. Matthew 9:34 But the Pharisees said, "He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils."
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Hey, Ahar. Since youre from the UK, just wondered if you had a thread on the discussion about the Docs making a life or death decision regarding infant disabilities upon the time of birth.
Sorry this isn't the right thread, but just wondered if this has been discussed. Just interested on your take.
Hi mate
I'm pretty busy with a new project at work at the moment so didn't start a thread on this, but I did see it briefly in the news.
Pretty appalling idea really - that a doctor could choose to end a life based on a value judgement that the child wouldn't have a good enough quality of life to merit survival. However, as I remember it was just a report or call from a advocacy organisation and isn't going to actually happen.
Yeah, it's pretty appalling in that Doctors would even consider it. First thing I thought of when I read an article on it was all the numbers of Brits who lost their lives fighting against "Nazi programs" just like this. Life unworthy of life...
Of course, across the pond, we're not in much better shape ourselves in that regard...
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Hey, Ahar. Since youre from the UK, just wondered if you had a thread on the discussion about the Docs making a life or death decision regarding infant disabilities upon the time of birth.
Sorry this isn't the right thread, but just wondered if this has been discussed. Just interested on your take.
Hi mate
I'm pretty busy with a new project at work at the moment so didn't start a thread on this, but I did see it briefly in the news.
Pretty appalling idea really - that a doctor could choose to end a life based on a value judgement that the child wouldn't have a good enough quality of life to merit survival. However, as I remember it was just a report or call from a advocacy organisation and isn't going to actually happen.
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Hey, Ahar. Since youre from the UK, just wondered if you had a thread on the discussion about the Docs making a life or death decision regarding infant disabilities upon the time of birth.
Sorry this isn't the right thread, but just wondered if this has been discussed. Just interested on your take.
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Sorry for the diversion, but very interesting info on accreditation. Cheers!
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We're a bit digressing, here...but if you'd like to see the Independent Fundamentalist view on educational accreditation - try THIS - it seems the pertinent issues are....get a load of these -
**smoking
**miniskirts
**disobedience
**disrespect for authority
**availability of narcotics
**vulgar words and vulgar stories in textbooks
**sex education program
**hippie-haired boys
**teachers who use curse words in class
**permission to wear blue jeans to school
**talking back to teachers
...well, great...Kent Hovind may have been an impulsive liar, fraud, greedy tax cheat, and scientific illiterate, but at least he did'nt dance, swear, smoke cigarettes, listen to rock music, have long hair, or make-out with his girlfriend.
WHOOPY-DOO!!!
So much for non-accreditation!!
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Where are all the devils who used to drive the Charismatics into libidic frenzy? Two locations, history would tell us: (1) In the war zone, for devils love war and death. (2) In Fundamental Baptist ministries where gatherings are marked by rage, screaming, running wild, and in tempting men to destroy their ministries with porn, protest music, tax rebellion, gun lust, flag waving, and a hundred other distractions. Kent Hovind may very well have a devil driving him along. I believe that tax rebellion results in possession with devils. I have a video of a deliverance session in which a tax rebel clearly has been possessed with a devil.
The Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is bad news as far as I am concerned. I have expressed my concerns on another thread.
I've never heard of Fundamental Baptist ministries. What has the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church done that is concerning to you?
I guess I'm pretty naive on some of this stuff. Which probably explains why I just like to stick to Scriptures.
Personally, I'm sorry that Hovind and his wife got hammered with this. But I just can't imagine he thought he could win it. It's the Golden Rule. Those with the gold, rule.
Since he ran a 501 (c)(3) non profit...he wouldn't be paying taxes anyway. I guess they nailed him on failing to withhold or pay payroll taxes.
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What is an "unaccredited institution?"
The government only recognizes 6 institutions of accreditations; however it is not up to the Federal Government to define what is right or not, it is up to the state government.
Because this country supposedly believes in seperation of church and state, by law; it could never recognize any Christian Institution. This being said, there are other accreditation assemblies that are in line with the highest standards but the catch is- they accrediate religious schools etc..
Just because an encyclopedia or news article says a school is not accredited, the question that should be brought, what is the accrediation of the school and not the standard of the government.
A lot of liberal christians believe unless it has the stamp of the US Government on it, it can't be a good quality education. I bag to differ. The government has no standard religious authority. Look at the way it was. Harvard, Yale started out as Christian Universities but gave way to secularism. I do know majority of the schools in Korea are Christian Universties that were found by Missionaries bringing the gospel, that over time have gave way to secularism
I have looked up the Patriot Bible University and took an insert from its accreditaion page and paste it here for you to read. It is straightforward.
World-Wide Accrediting Commissions of Christian Educational Institutions is a very good accrediting commission however, the good Old USA says they can't accept it because it is religious oriented.
The news article on the person has and is biased against anything christian. The man is guilty of tax evation, and not having an unortodoxed education.
If I have to depend on my salvation thru the US Gonvernment, then that will be one big disappointment.
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Each university is accreditated by regional accreditation boards--this means the university or college meets minimum standards that are acceptable in academia and higher education.
For example:
Like the University of Michigan, Indiana University, Ohio University, etc are accreditated by the Northern Association of Schools and Colleges.
One's in the south are Vanderbilt University, University of Alabama, University of North Carolina, Duke University and my favorite, Western Kentucky University are accreditated by the Southern Association of Schools and Colleges.
If you want to go on with your education, you'll have to have graduated from an accreditated institution. If you haven't, then the university won't recognize it.
Then there's specific and general program accredatition too...for specific areas of study. Like for business schools, social work, law, medicine, journalism, etc.
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Yes, I certainly hope "the government" would be a unifying factor, or at least have some hand in U.S. National school accreditation - lest a gang of of knuckle-dragging ignorant militants come all up in here and send civilization back into Neanderthal hunter-gatherer Hell with their tool of popular National Socialist Christian Identity and "Creation Science" movements.
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un·ac·cred·it·ed adj.
Not having the proper credentials; unauthorized: an unaccredited school.
" School accreditation
From Wikipedia, Accreditation is a process by which a facility's services and operations are examined by a third-party accrediting agency. Should the facility meet the accrediting agency's standards, the facility receives accredited status from the accrediting agency.
In the United States, the term is most often used with reference to schools and hospitals, neither of which are directly accredited by the federal government. Instead, accreditation is performed by private nonprofit bodies known as accreditors. The Council for Higher Education Accreditation oversees accrediting agencies and provides guidelines as well as resources and relevant data."
Thanks for that. So the government doesn't have a role in enforcing University standards in the US or is the Council for Higher Education a Government body?
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...and as far as tax evasion goes...well, attributing it to outright possession's a little dicey - but I'd go with maybe "gulliblle" or "duped"
...Most of it's based on the delusional urban myth that the 16th amendment to the U.S. Constitution is not legitimate, and to "prove" this, they produce a supposed ratification voting record - that shows 1 or more states somehow voting both "for" AND "against" the amendnment!!! It's right there in black and white, but takes a closer look.
Somebody's really trying to pull a fast one (see "Red Beckman" et al search engine sometime)
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Where are all the devils who used to drive the Charismatics into libidic frenzy? Two locations, history would tell us: (1) In the war zone, for devils love war and death. (2) In Fundamental Baptist ministries where gatherings are marked by rage, screaming, running wild, and in tempting men to destroy their ministries with porn, protest music, tax rebellion, gun lust, flag waving, and a hundred other distractions. Kent Hovind may very well have a devil driving him along. I believe that tax rebellion results in possession with devils. I have a video of a deliverance session in which a tax rebel clearly has been possessed with a devil.
The Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is bad news as far as I am concerned. I have expressed my concerns on another thread.
Well, that's kind of interesting (maybe just a little extreme) - what's your source for this quote(?) I'd like to read a bit more.
btw - YES, I am aware that "Independent Fundamentalism"(mainly Baptist or Pentecostal) IS INDEED considered a cult by a few sources-this was even all the way back in the late 80's early 90's - I haven't gotten around to searching any online sources yet.
I've even had some personal contact w/ these organizations (usually a single large church w/ an "academic" attachment) and yeah! - there's DEFINITELY something fishy about 'em (imho).
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un·ac·cred·it·ed adj.
Not having the proper credentials; unauthorized: an unaccredited school.
" School accreditation
From Wikipedia, Accreditation is a process by which a facility's services and operations are examined by a third-party accrediting agency. Should the facility meet the accrediting agency's standards, the facility receives accredited status from the accrediting agency.
In the United States, the term is most often used with reference to schools and hospitals, neither of which are directly accredited by the federal government. Instead, accreditation is performed by private nonprofit bodies known as accreditors. The Council for Higher Education Accreditation oversees accrediting agencies and provides guidelines as well as resources and relevant data."
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May I ask what an 'unaccredited' university is?
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Where are all the devils who used to drive the Charismatics into libidic frenzy? Two locations, history would tell us: (1) In the war zone, for devils love war and death. (2) In Fundamental Baptist ministries where gatherings are marked by rage, screaming, running wild, and in tempting men to destroy their ministries with porn, protest music, tax rebellion, gun lust, flag waving, and a hundred other distractions. Kent Hovind may very well have a devil driving him along. I believe that tax rebellion results in possession with devils. I have a video of a deliverance session in which a tax rebel clearly has been possessed with a devil.
The Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is bad news as far as I am concerned. I have expressed my concerns on another thread.
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Here's a little background on "Dr Dino"
Kent E. Hovind (born January 15, 1953) is an American evangelist and prominent "Young Earth" creationist. The self-styled "Dr. Dino" (whose Ph.D, from an unaccredited university, is in Christian education) established the Creation Science Evangelism Ministry in 1989.[1] Hovind now speaks frequently in schools, churches, university debates and on radio and television broadcasts, and is the subject of controversy and public scrutiny.
On February 9, 1969, Hovind accepted Jesus Christ as his personal Savior. He graduated from East Peoria High School in 1971. He claims three degrees in Christian education from unaccredited institutions of higher learning.
In 1975 Hovind started a Baptist Christian school and church, at which he taught and pastored. Over the years he has claimed to have been a high school teacher at Christian schools. Hovind has no teaching credentials or academic degrees from accredited universities in the subjects he taught. In 1989, Hovind started his Creation Science Evangelism with no academic background in science.
In 1974, Hovind received a bachelor's degree in religious education from the unaccredited Midwestern Baptist College. In 1988 and 1991 respectively, Hovind was awarded a masters's degree and doctorate in "Christian Education" from the unaccredited correspondence school Patriot University (now Patriot Bible University) in Colorado.
Critics of Hovind have charged that Patriot Bible University is a diploma mill, as it has unreasonably low graduation requirements, lack of sufficient faculty or educational standards, and a suspicious tuition scheme, among other issues...
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Jury Finds "DR" Kent Hovind GUILTY on all charges
Kent Hovind Mugshot
'Dr. Dino' guilty on all counts
Couple could get more than 200 years
Nicole Lozare
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Pensacola evangelist and tax protester Kent Hovind winked at his wife and gave her a reassuring smile as he was led away to jail.
Jo Hovind clutched the necktie he had been wearing. She kept her eyes on her husband until he was out of sight.
A 12-person jury deliberated for 2½ hours on Thursday before finding the couple guilty of all counts in their tax-fraud case.
Kent Hovind, founder of Creation Science Evangelism and Dinosaur Adventure Land in Pensacola, was found guilty of 58 counts, including failure to pay $845,000 in employee-related taxes. He faces a maximum of 288 years in prison.
Jo Hovind was charged and convicted in 44 of the counts involving evading bank-reporting requirements. She faces up to 225 years in prison but was allowed to remain free pending the couple's sentencing on Jan. 9.
Kent Hovind briefly held onto her arm as the verdict was read. Neither reacted at first. But minutes later, she held her face in her hands.
"Nobody likes to pay taxes," Assistant U.S. Attorney Michelle Heldmyer said in her closing argument. "But we do because it's the law, and he is not above the law."
The jury also granted the prosecution's request for the Hovinds to forfeit $430,400. That amount equals the value of the checks signed and cashed by Jo Hovind in the 44 counts.
U.S. District Judge Casey Rodgers released Jo Hovind until sentencing but denied Kent Hovind's request to be released. He most likely will be detained at either Escambia County Jail or Santa Rosa County Jail until sentencing.
Heldmyer said Kent Hovind was a flight risk and a "danger to the community."
His attorney, Alan Richey, argued that the Internal Revenue Service pursued his client because of his religious beliefs.
Kent Hovind, whose life's mission is to debunk evolution, says he and his employees are workers of God and therefore exempt from paying taxes. He pays his employees in cash and does not withhold their taxes or pay his share as an employer.
"There's a difference between wrong and committing a crime," Richey said in his closing argument. "You can do all the wrong things you want and still not commit a crime."
Jo Hovind's attorney, Jerold Barringer, argued that his client was a simple piano teacher and grandmother who was not aware of bank-reporting regulations concerning large amounts of cash. Any cash transaction at a bank more than $10,000 triggers a currency-transaction report forwarded to the IRS. She was found guilty of using several methods to take out just enough money to avoid triggering the report.
The Hovinds and their attorneys declined comment. Their supporters, who took up most of the six rows in Rodgers' courtroom, dwindled in number as the day went on.
Jo Hovind's son, Kent Andrew Hovind, and two women escorted her out of the U.S. District Courthouse in downtown Pensacola.
Richard Hogan, an acquaintance of Kent Hovind who observed the last day of the two-week trial, said he felt especially bad for Jo Hovind.
"He was the leader, and she probably went along with him," said Hogan, 53. He first met the Hovinds when their children were homeschooled.
"It's pretty tough to fight Goliath," Hogan said. "The first time the IRS calls, you should go ahead and deal with it. It didn't have to come down to this."
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