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Eduardo Grequi
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When I do witness to people who have been practicing gays/lesbians. I have to go thru what I have experienced; after all-most would not give any Christian a time of day- if all what is being preached down and at is a life style. When I did realize all the abuse that went on in my life, I was grief sticken and in mourning for a childhood I didn't have because sins of my father etc..
When Mariam Magdalena came to Jesus and asked for forgiveness- he forgave. She was a prostitute. No different than any other sinner. Eventually, Magdelena reclaim her purity through Jesus.
And for the record anyone who gives their sexual sins over to Jesus and lets him be Lord- they are working on complete surrender.
Brothers and Sisters- There are many, many brethern within the church who struggle with gay and strait porn as well as child porn all these as well are an abdomination.
All sin seperate us from God!
We are mandated by the word of God, to always walk in love, and in reproof, and in obedience, and in prayer.
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WKUHilltopper
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So, IMO a homosexual who is celibate can be a "Christian".
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Interesting point, however, the Lord says if you lust after a person in your heart you've committed adultry. So I would say it's immaterial if one is celibate or not--it's what's in the heart and mind. God hates sin.
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Bob I don't think you understand repentance.
A homosexual that repents doesn't just stop fornicating with their own sex (male with male or female with female) Yahweh changes their mind completely.
The way you worded your post a child molester would believe that they could continue lusting after little children just as long as they didn't touch a child
unless i misunderstand you, your version of the Gospel is sick.
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The Bible teaches us that homosexual SEX in an abomination to God not the homosexual individual. Yet the Christian community is quick to condemn the individual not knowing whether that individual has been involved in homosexual sex. This is the reason we fail at attempting to reach the homosexuals. The Bible also teaches that if homosexuals continue in the practice of homosexual sex they will not see the Kingdom of Heaven. This implies that homosexuals CAN refrain from homosexual sex. So, IMO a homosexual who is celibate can be a "Christian".
I do not believe they are "born that way" but make a deliberate choice and/or are influenced by their enviroment. So, as we reach out to the homosexual we must do so in the love of Jesus and not condemnation.
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WKUHilltopper
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Originally posted by BORN AGAIN:
brother WKUHilltopper, this is the best part for me of your sermonette: quote:
If it weren't for Jesus, we'd all be sentenced to damnation and fearful judgement.
Amen to that, huh brother WKUHilltopper?
"every day Your Mercy is Brandnew; I never get used to what You do, never get used to what You knew"
brother WKUHilltopper, I am not gay and do not have to try stop being gay. I assume you are not gay, but do you have any idea how difficult it is to stop being gay? ![[dance]](graemlins/dance1.gif)
I think among all the sins of the flesh, being gay is probably one of the most difficult to quit, and brother WLUHilltopper, I know of some other ones that are hard to quit, if you want to know about them. ![[crying]](graemlins/crying.gif)
Are you thankful to the LORD God of Israel that no one in your family is gay, or how does that work exactly?
I am BORN AGAIN by the LAMB OF GOD who appeared in Israel in the 1st century A.D.
Brother BA, all sin is difficult to defeat. But it's not by our hand that this is done. The only way it can be defeated is by the Grace and Mighty works of God.
All have fallen short of the glory of God. I fail at maintaining the holiness of God all the time, but it's through the blood and sacrifice of Christ that reconciles me with God.
I have to die on the cross with Christ every day--I can not defeat sin alone. I am sinful by nature. The Scriptures say the "heart is sinful, who can understand it?" Just because I've accepted the Lord doesn't mean I'm not still a pathetic sinner.
No, I've never been involved in homosexuality, but as a sinner, I'm no better than those who commit homosexual sin. Sin is sin. I can be judged to hell by killing someone or sleeping with a man--doesn't make much difference, the sentence is the same. One is no worse than the other, because God hates sin. Without Christ, I would participate in the sins of the flesh--but I have repented and seek to honor God by denying such.
No, I have no idea how hard it is to be a homosexual. But one thing I know-- Sin is hard, regardless of the sin. And I know how hard it is to tear yourself away from sin. And you can't do this by yourself. Only God can do this for us--Christ is the only way one can be liberated from sin. Again, we have all fallen short of the glory of God and if it weren't for Christ, no one would be worthy to come to the Father.
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Matthew 21:16
And said to Him, Do you hear what these say? Then Jesus said to them, Yes; have you never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings You have perfected praise?
James 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God who gives to all men liberally, and does not upbraid us; and it shall be given him.
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brother WKUHilltopper, this is the best part for me of your sermonette: quote:
If it weren't for Jesus, we'd all be sentenced to damnation and fearful judgement.
Amen to that, huh brother WKUHilltopper?
"every day Your Mercy is Brandnew; I never get used to what You do, never get used to what You knew"
brother WKUHilltopper, I am not gay and do not have to try stop being gay. I assume you are not gay, but do you have any idea how difficult it is to stop being gay?
I think among all the sins of the flesh, being gay is probably one of the most difficult to quit, and brother WLUHilltopper, I know of some other ones that are hard to quit, if you want to know about them.
Are you thankful to the LORD God of Israel that no one in your family is gay, or how does that work exactly?
I am BORN AGAIN by the LAMB OF GOD who appeared in Israel in the 1st century A.D.
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What people don't understand or maybe don't want to understand is God hates sin. You think He would allow His only Son to die a humilating death on the cross only to follow up "Oh, I love you and therefore it's ok for you continue participating in your sin"? Ain't gonna happen.
It's because of God's love for us that He permitted His only Son to suffer through that indignity. This is the only way for man to be reconciled to God--the only way we can have everlasting life.
What we are to do is lovingly pray for this young man that he turns from his sins or suffer the judgement of a just and mighty God. If it weren't for Jesus, we'd all be sentenced to damnation and fearful judgement.
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Eduardo Grequi
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You know this guy claims to be a gay christian ! Fillabuster of an oxy-moron
I like to hear how he defines the word- "christian"
Did he confess Jesus as Lord? or has he made up his own rules to what a christian means!
I personally can say this much with first hand knowledge and experience- as a child who was forced to have relations with a man 3x my age at the age of 8, because my dad sold my brothers and I to this creature. I have lived with conflicting issues. It wasn't until I read in the bible that having same sex relations with the same sex was a sin (this was when I was 16- did I finally have a storm brewing within me. You see- this guy lends that he knew he was gay in high school. I bet ya bottom butter- someone got to him when he was a kid.
This life style is learned. In fact there are groups who main purpose is to make each man a gay persons. Before the age of consent.
In the end- he may find physical love for a season, but the end thereof is death.
Many in that day will say- Lord! Lord! and Jesus will say depart from me- I never knew you.
His parents seem to advocate this decision.
Why not change the bible to read it to be okay? Why don't we change the bible and say it is okay for a woman to rule over men? Why don't we remove any verse that challenges our behaviour?
God forbid! If we cann't meet Christ on his standards then what do we have?
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>>> If a person deals with being attracted with someone of the same sex, does him/her abstain would be a way to keep himself from sinning?
Yes exactly. We can not stop the thoughts but we must not dwell on them. Stop doing the sin. If one gives their life totally over to the Lord Jesus Christ. He will send the Holy Spirit to help them be overcomers.
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. - Philippians 4:7
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I have a question:
The bible says that it is a sin for a man to lay with another man as if it was a woman, also it is a sin to have sex outside of marriage. But, as many other sins that we struggle our whole life like : jealousy, glutonary (eat too much) etc, etc..
If a person deals with being attracted with someone of the same sex, does him/her abstain would be a way to keep himself from sinning?
For instance; I am attracted to male (since I am a female) but my problem starts when I start having sex with one of them right? Would the same apply for a man that likes another man?
I really do not know how to ask this, I hope you guys understood my question.
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Johnson has lived in Lexington with his parents and two brothers since the early 1990s. He was baptized in 1996 at Central Baptist Church, which split from the Southern Baptist Convention and the Kentucky Baptist Convention.
That probably is our clue right there. Many churches, like the Oneness Pentecostal Church, have split from the traditional church. going off into some 'new' theological tangent of their own making. Watch out for these new churches, many of which call themselves Baptist and Pentecostal.
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But he's also more confident, finally at peace with being gay and Christian.
To read article - click here
This is so sad. I guess he is another product of the people that want you to believe all are forgive. But Jesus told people to repent and turn from their sin.
... And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.” Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”
John 8:11-12
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:... Acts 17:29-30
"Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent. " (Acts 17:30)
"Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of God." (Acts 3:19)
"I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. " (Luke 13:5)
"Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance. " (Mark 2:17)
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