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wparr
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So do you think we are growing in grace as we should?
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Did I say we as Christians should be sinning?
By the way I have never had an abortion.
There is difference in living in sin and being a baby Christian. There is a difference in growing in grace and living a life of sin.
betty

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quote:
Originally posted by wparr:
You are TOTALLY missing what I writing.

I'm saying we are not growing as we SHOULD.

Are you saying that the Church in America - with all the divorce, kids having sex, abortion, gambling, adultry - is God design and planning - or are we FAILING to grow as we should????

Is it that The Holy Spirit is waiting years to convicting us of sin - or - that we are not LISTENING to him as we should???

NO FAULT in God - the problem is US Christians.
We are too selfish
We are too rebelious
We are to WORLDLY.


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You are TOTALLY missing what I writing.

I'm saying we are not growing as we SHOULD.

Are you saying that the Church in America - with all the divorce, kids having sex, abortion, gambling, aultry - is God design and planning - or are we FAILING to grow as we should????

NO FAULT in God - the problem is US Christians.
We are too selfish
We are too rebelious
We are to WORLDLY.

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so you are saying that God judges a 7 year old the same way He judges a Christian of 20 years. Goodness me, name one way I have tried to excuse myself of sin. Maybe you have never grown as a Christian and you are the one making excuses for you lack of spiritual growth.
If you have never grown spiritually in your Christian walk, then I feel pity for you.
betty

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quote:
Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
If you get saved at 7 there is a limit of how much you can understand way up into your twenties. At 18, I still was quite naivie. If a person had called me on the phone and asked for my social security number, I would have given it out at 18 and possibly even in my 20's. I am in no means trying to say that I am contantly taking baby steps my whole life. I am saying that God deals with us where we are. I have known people who got saved and they were not convicted to stop smoking for years later. But on the other hand I hope I am a better Christian this time next year then I am today. If we don't keep growing spiritually, we are not still learning from God's Word.

Betty you are using experience and intelectual thinking to justify the condition of American Christianity today rather than examining it from a Scriptural perspective.

Again I ask.

Do we continue to make up excuses for our short comings and failures?

or

Do we admitt them, repent of them, and begin to REALLY grow-up in Messiah and walk in the full dunamis POWER of The Holy Spirit of Yahweh.

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2 Timothy 3:5
holding to a form of piety, although they have denied its power; and turn away from such men as these.

Most pastors standing in the pulpit to day fit the

holding to a form of piety, although they have denied its power

the "power" mentioned is the dunamis ABILITY TO DO Power of The Holy Spirit.

That's why MANY pastors are falling to adultry, homosexuality, porn ect.

And they CAN'T teach what they DON'T know - the Power of The Holy Spirit.

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If you get saved at 7 there is a limit of how much you can understand way up into your twenties. At 18, I still was quite naivie. If a person had called me on the phone and asked for my social security number, I would have given it out at 18 and possibly even in my 20's. I am in no means trying to say that I am contantly taking baby steps my whole life. I am saying that God deals with us where we are. I have known people who got saved and they were not convicted to stop smoking for years later. But on the other hand I hope I am a better Christian this time next year then I am today. If we don't keep growing spiritually, we are not still learning from God's Word.

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Betty, those verses supoort growing, yes.

But NOT the tiny baby steps over many many years.

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2Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, 2 as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow *thereby, 3 if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

2Ti 3:16All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

"We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other," 2 Thess 1:3
Notice it says grows which is a present term. Faith is growing and continues to grow.

I wish I could say I always do and say what I should. But, I take comfort in Paul’s Words:
Rom 7:15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.

Most of us when we become a Christian do not turn into perfect people. We grow as Christians should as we grow from being a baby in the physical sense. Only Enoch lived such a perfect life that God took him without death.

Do we take the fact that we are still growing in God as an excuse to sin? Of course not!!! When God convicts us of sin, we fall on our face and seek forgiveness. But on the other hand we should be careful of false pride that makes us think we have arrived at perfection.
betty

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So the question becomes

Do we continue to make up excuses for our short comings and failures?

or

Do we admitt them, repent of them, and begin to REALLY grow-up in Messiah and walk in the full dunamis POWER of The Holy Spirit of Yahweh.

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quote:
Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:

I believe the longer we walk with Jesus, the more our spiritual lives should grow in Him.
The Bible makes it plain that we start out as baby Christians and we grow through our walk with Jesus and daily time in the Word of God.

Goes to show that we ARE NOT growing up In Christ as Scripture calls us to - We are TO MUCH in the world.


quote:
Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:

Sometimes a new Christian has to take baby steps before God hits them with the hard stuff.
God bless your day,
betty

Show me the Scriptural basis for this teaching.

Most Christians are still crawling in their faith rather than "running the race" as Paul puts it.

If we were HONEST, and analized our lives, MOST American Christians would have to say we are MUCH MUCH closer to worldly living than NT Scriptural living.

Again I say most Churches are putting out a whimppy powerless Gospel.

Being saved at 7 as you say - if your Church(es) had PROPERLY discipled you as Y'shua commanded - then you, operating in the POWER of the Holy Spirit would not have married an unbeliever (God didn't lead you marry him) or would have gotten in bondage to soap operas - that you have had to given them up.

I'm not pointing fingers at you in this Betty (I'm guilty also).
I'm pointing fingers at the American Church as a whole and it's leaders.

We are FAILING in the great commision to make DISCIPLES.
We are FAILING at teaching and enabling people to walk in the dunamis (ability to do)POWER of the Holy Spirit.

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Maybe because I got saved at 7, that I don't have radical change, that some people have in their lives. I never got involved in drugs and I have only been with one man and that is with my husband after marriage.
But in my life as I get closer to God, I have seen instances where God has convicted me of things that I did for years with out conviction. Take soap operas. I grew up watching soap operas. I was never convicted of them. 15 years ago, after, praying for my husband's salvation for 12 years, God impressed on my heart the question of whether I was willing to give up soap operas for my husband's salvation. I said yes. 3 years later my husband got saved and I haven't watched them since 15 years ago. Do I condemn anyone for watching them? No. I made a promise to give them up and I don't regret it. This is what I mean when I say that God works on us over the years. There may be things I do today, that God may ask me in the future not to do.
I believe the longer we walk with Jesus, the more our spiritual lives should grow in Him.
The Bible makes it plain that we start out as baby Christians and we grow through our walk with Jesus and daily time in the Word of God.
Yes, I have seen radical changes in people who have gotten saved. But even with my husband who got saved when he was over 40, God weeded out things little by little. Sometimes a new Christian has to take baby steps before God hits them with the hard stuff.
God bless your day,
betty

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quote:
Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you some how suggesting that a Christian never grows in faith? Do you believe we should be the same person after being saved for 20 years?


Phl 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

I believe that we should grow in the Lord as we walk with Him daily. When I was 7 years old and I got saved, I was not able to understand what I do today. I still believe as we walk with Jesus and grow in our relationship with Him, He will show us where we need to change.


betty

No.
What I'm saying is that what we see and called for in Scripture is RADICAL change - not this little-by-little over many years stuff being taught today.

You look at most Christians toady, and look back 5 years earlier and you don't see a whole lot of change.

Mary Magdalane was RADICALLY changed

Matthew was RADICALLY change

Paul was RADICALLY changed

Most Churches are putting out a whimppy powerless "sprinkling" Gospel rather than a POWERFUL "fully immersed" Scriptural Gospel

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I have no idea what you are talking about. Are you some how suggesting that a Christian never grows in faith? Do you believe we should be the same person after being saved for 20 years?


Phl 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

I believe that we should grow in the Lord as we walk with Him daily. When I was 7 years old and I got saved, I was not able to understand what I do today. I still believe as we walk with Jesus and grow in our relationship with Him, He will show us where we need to change.


betty

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quote:
Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
I have found as I get closer to God, that there are tv shows and books that I don't want to read or watch, anymore. I believe as we grow in Christ, God brings us under conviction. God is merciful, and He is patient with us. I think that is why He tells us things little by little. He doesn't knock on our heads and convict us everything at once. But I have found as I grow, that little by little, He is helping me weed out things that are in my life, but should not be there.
betty

But that's NOT the concept you see painted in Scripture.

That's NOT what you see John the baptizer proclaiming.

That's NOT what you see Y'shua teaching and accepting.

That's NOT the message Paul and James and Peter write about.


That's a man-made concept put forth and accepted to justify our flesh.

That's a living and believing by EXPERIENCE rather than by FAITH


It's we STOP living by experience and the flesh and START letting the AWESOME dutamis "ability to do" power of Yahweh's Holy Spirit work in and thru us.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mike777:
Steel yourself against the world's strong magnetism.

Steel itself is magnetic, by property.

Stop your lies, and go back home to Satan. [Razz]

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S-E-P-A-R-A-T-E

I forgive you, by the grace received through Jesus Christ, our Lord.

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I have found as I get closer to God, that there are tv shows and books that I don't want to read or watch, anymore. I believe as we grow in Christ, God brings us under conviction. God is merciful, and He is patient with us. I think that is why He tells us things little by little. He doesn't knock on our heads and convict us everything at once. But I have found as I grow, that little by little, He is helping me weed out things that are in my life, but should not be there.
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Steel yourself against the world's strong magnetism. The world has now taken to itself
powerful instruments to beguile each of us. Think of television,that lighted rectangle. What
does it do? It lies and lies and lies to you. It would have you believe in fornication without tears,

Violence without death, death without judgment and indulgence without responsibility. Lies, all lies!
Against these lies, you must be strong. Perhaps it is time to put a sign on the TV set that says,

"This is the voice of Satan." The world's slick magazines should have a sticker on the cover saying,

"Baloney!" Ah, the dulcet voice of this world believe it not! This world don't fall in love with it!


1Jo 2:15 Do not love or cherish the world or the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in him.

Sure hope that this thread has spoken to your Spirit man to get you to rethink where you are at with the Lord Jesus Christ. We don't want to like the world or we will be judged with them at that appointed time. We are suppose to be acting like Jesus Christ did when He was on the earth, being set apart from the WORLD.

From: The Revolutionist His Bondservant Forever In Christ Jesus \0/

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