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helpforhomeschoolers
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Yes, that is exactly where I am coming from Dale. My post wasnt a response to yours even though it followed yours.
Infact, I saw that you answered the case very well, but what I had hoped to say to the original poster was that perhaps this is what the friend was trying to say, when he/she said not about feelings.
Our love for Jesus is not a "feeling" it is a condition of obedience (abiding) that occurs because He first loved us (because of the blood).
yada yada yada... I dont want to repeat my previous post. Perhaps I am unable to express my thoughts better on this. If the post ade no sense, disregard it and forgive me.
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becauseHElives
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Not sure where you coming from Linda,
Abiding has nothing to do with feelings, but has everything to do with "Love"
1COR 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these [is] charity.
Faith, hope, love - Are the sum of perfection on
earth; love alone is the sum of perfection in heaven
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helpforhomeschoolers
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ah, but LOVE is not a feeling! Much of the world's problems can be linked to "feelings".
Our love for Jesus is not a feeling. Feeling is based in emotions and emotions subject to experience, which is at best faulty.
If our love for Jesus was based on feeling, then that feeling might be subject to change, when we experienced a tragedy in our lives that we could not reconcile. For example, a mother who loses a teen due to a drunk driver; or a child that watches a step parent kill his mother. These things can lead one to have a faulty perception of God, and develop feelings that are less than the "feeling" we call love.
But in this verse that Caretaker pointed out, we see that our experience, our feelings, are NOT the basis of our love for Christ, but HIS Blood is the bases for our love...
John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
Our Love exisits because HE loved us first!
This is a picture of the power of the blood!
The expression of Christ's love, for us is given in the shedding of his blood for me and you, undeserving lost without hope creatures, for who he OBEYED the will of the Father and lay down his life that the shedding of blood be given a propitiation for our sin and thus reconciling us to GOD.
Love is not a feeling but an expression of obedience, a verb. Christ's love was expressed in obedience to the Father's will. Because of this our obdience and thus our love is expressed to Christ.
Love (agape) is not possible for the unreconcilled; not possible without the blood; not possible except that it was first expressed for us by Christ.
The difference between love and a feeling is like the difference between Truth and Fact. A fact is rooted or founded in imperical knowledge and understanding, a Truth transcends fact. Truth is of God! Jesus IS TRUTH.
When life is good it is easy to feel love for Jesus; but when the body is tortured, sick, starving, without home, shelter, food, water; enduring physical torment, or emotional trail, when prayer seems unheard and unanswered. When God seems silent; when relief does not come...it is in this time that feelings are fleeting at best; thank God that we can have LOVE for Christ even then. Because our LOVE is not a feeling, not rooted in emotion, but LOVE planted firmly in the BLOOD that he shed for us and existing ONLY because He first LOVED US.
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becauseHElives
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Gail this is my understanding.
Source of the life of the believer is the Vine (Yeshua) unless we are vitally connected we have no life.
JN 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
JN 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
JN 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
JN 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
JN 15:5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
(Key word---- abide)
Abide (a root word) Strong’s Concordance 3306
1) to remain, abide
a)in reference to place
1)to sojourn, tarry
2) not to depart
a) to continue to be present
b)to be held, kept, continually
b)in reference to time
1)to continue to be, not to perish, to last, endure
a)of persons, to survive, live
c) in reference to state or condition
1) remain as one, not to become another or different
2) to wait for, await one
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 120
abide 61, remain 16, dwell 15, continue 11, tarry 9, endure 3, misc 5;
http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1059757545-3234.html
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Hi Gail,
I really appreciated the question. I think like Drew put, through the Word, that we are to love. Can't help but to think of my children when I think of loving Jesus. I have 5 children, all individuals, but I love them all equally. With 2 teenagers in the house, that is sometimes hard to do. But I have learned to love them for who they are, regardless of what they may or may not do. I think that is how Jesus loves us. With the kind of love you have to have for teenagers. My sacrifices on earth are not even close to His sacrifice on the cross. Just to save some poor, broken down, "teenager" like me!!
The Bible tells us to love Him, I love Him, because He first loved me!!
In His continual service,
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Amen!!!!
1 John 4:
11: Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
12: No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13: Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
14: And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15: Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
17: Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
18: There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
19: We love him , because he first loved us.
20: If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21: And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..
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Just Passing Through
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Thanks SKY ---this answered my question---- she just threw me for a loop when she said we were not to feel anything about Jesus only his blood He loves me and I love him. ---------GAIL
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wonderful_sky
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Hi Gail,
At first your post frustrated me, are you asking how we should feel about Jesus? I read all of John 14 and believe that the verse that you are missing is John 14:28.
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"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. John 14:28.
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15When they had finished eating, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon son of John, do you truly love me more than these?"
"Yes, Lord," he said, "you know that I love you."
Jesus said, "Feed my lambs."
16Again Jesus said, "Simon son of John, do you truly love me?"
He answered, "Yes, Lord, you know that I love you."
Jesus said, "Take care of my sheep."
17The third time he said to him, "Simon son of John, do you love me?"
Peter was hurt because Jesus asked him the third time, "Do you love me?" He said, "Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you." 18
Jesus said, "Feed my sheep. I tell you the truth, when you were younger you dressed yourself and went where you wanted; but when you are old you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go." 19Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God. Then he said to him, "Follow me!"
John 21:15-19
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37"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me.
Matthew 10:37-38
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Does that help? I hope so. God loves us with agope love, unconditional. Could it be that the love that one felt then and even now was so extreme that it could not be put into words? To tell you the magnitude of love that I have for Jesus would be almost impossible. He died for me...who else is willing to do that so I may have eternal life?!!?
In His continual service,
Sky
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Me and a friend were taklking about the verse that says Jesus is the way the truth and the life no man comes to the Father except through Jesus---not exact words She said salvation comes throug the shed blood of Jesus , we are saved by the blood ---I am ok with this part----heres ths part I dont understand---she said there was no verse in the bible that said how we must FEEL about Jesus--that it didnt matter how we felt about him---only his blood-----I thought we are to make him our LORD, to know that he was God in the flesh come to earth,to love and trust him---what she said just sound right to me-----someone please help me with this-------Thanks
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