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wildb states:

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17) The MYSTERY “Hid in God” was the divine purpose to make of Jew and Gentile a whole new thing, that is, the Church, which is Christ’s Body. The revelation of this Mystery was committed to Paul, and it is in his writings alone that we find the doctrine, position, walk and destiny of the Church.


This is one of the keys to the Berean Cult..
Check this out in detail....

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Carol states:

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Flooding the entire forum with your ENOUGH SAID is just as offensive.
why wouldyou say that Carol?

Im just finished with those conversations and will not post on those threads anymore..

I did not know that would be offensive.

sorry if that offended you...

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What does the Berean Bible Society believe?
An excellent question! Here is a copy of our doctrinal statement:


WE BELIEVE:
1) The verbal inspiration and plenary authority of the BIBLE in its original writings.

2) The eternal trinity of the GODHEAD.

3) The eternal deity, virgin birth, vicarious death, and spotless humanity of the LORD JESUS CHRIST.

4) MANKIND by nature is sinful and under the condemnation of God.

5) Personal SALVATION is by God’s grace, through faith in the crucified, risen, and glorified Christ.

6) The ETERNAL SECURITY of all the saved.

7) The personality and deity of the HOLY SPIRIT.

8) The essential unity of all believers of the present dispensation as members of the one true Church, the BODY OF CHRIST.

9) The GIFTS enumerated in Ephesians 4:7-16, have been given for the building up of the Body of Christ, and of these, only evangelists, pastors, and teachers are in order during the present dispensation. The sign gifts of the Acts period were temporary in character, and have ceased.

10) The privilege and duty of all the saved to WALK by faith as children of light.

11) The Communion of the LORD’S SUPPER as revealed through Paul for the members of the Body of Christ “TILL HE COME.”

12) All believers are made members of the Body of Christ by One Divine BAPTISM, by which also they are identified with Christ in His death, burial and resurrection. In the light of I Corinthians 1:17, Ephesians 4:5. and Colossians 2:12, we affirm that water baptism has no place in God’s spiritual program for the Body of Christ in this dispensation of grace.

13) The RESURRECTION of the Body.

14) The Pretribulation RAPTURE of the Church.

15) The personal, premillennial RETURN OF CHRIST to reign on earth.

16) The ETERNAL PUNISHMENT of the unsaved dead.

17) The MYSTERY “Hid in God” was the divine purpose to make of Jew and Gentile a whole new thing, that is, the Church, which is Christ’s Body. The revelation of this Mystery was committed to Paul, and it is in his writings alone that we find the doctrine, position, walk and destiny of the Church.


3. What is a "berean" anyway?
Thanks for asking. We get asked that a lot. Being called a Berean comes from Acts 17:10-11. In verse 11 it says that those from Berea (hence, the Bereans) were nobler than the people in Thessalonica because they "received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the Scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

So, when we say that someone is a "Berean" we mean that they do two things: (1) They have an open mind and willingly receive the Word of God when it is taught to them and (2) But then, they check out what they were taught by comparing it with the Scriptures.

Both aspects are important. Some people are so closed minded that they will not even listen to anything new or that might threaten what they already know. Others are so gullible that they accept whatever is told them without ever checking it against what the Bible says. Both extremes are to be avoided.

A Berean is one who has a balanced viewpoint. We listen to what someone has to say because we are eager to learn the word of God more perfectly. We realize that we have not learned it all. But then, we take what we have heard and compare it with the Bible. Then, if both match, we have learned something and increased our knowledge of God's Word, rightly divided.

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quote:
wildb's above quote to B... Me; is unacceptable by bbs rules...it is offensive and shows ones heart..
Flooding the entire forum with your ENOUGH SAID is just as offensive.
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quote:
Every Preacher is a false Gospel Preacher who doesn't preach that you have to go to Church on Saturday and keep the Old Testament Laws.
Betty, I have never said anyone has to go to Church on Saturday to be saved or for any another reason ...

first off no one goes to Church ...you are the Church if you are saved...

second you can be saved and never enter a meeting where the members of the body meet....you will have a great desire to be with other members of the body but that don't save you....

and about the Law , I have said it over and over repeatedly ...."The Law is now written on the hearts of true believers , if it is not they can not be saved....if it is written on your heart you are obeying the Law from the heart by walking after the Spirit but we are still in this temples of flesh and sometimes we fail but then the Holy Spirit is there to convict us to repent ...now this is where an individual can get in trouble and grieve the Spirit because we are still free souls to repent or resit repenting....

my disagreement is with anyone that says the Sabbath is now Sunday....The Sabbath is like Yahweh it is the same yesterday today forever....

same with Yahweh's Law, the scriptures by inspiration of the Holy Spirit The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. 10More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.

The Law like Yahweh is perfect , the problem was not the Law but the heart of men and women....so in salvation Yahweh does heart surgery and engrafts the Law into the heart....now making a new creature , one that loves Yahweh and Yahweh's Law and has the desire and ability to obey.

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sister Betty states:


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But, Carol, you don't get it. Every Preacher is a false Gospel Preacher, according to Barry and BecauseHeLives, who doesn't preach that you have to go to Church on Saturday and keep the Old Testament Laws. Paul would be on their case if he were alive today for preaching the same false Gospel that some of the Christian Jews did in His day: becoming Jews first and then Christians.
betty


This is an absured statement and false. i do not believe because one does not go to church on Saturday is a "false preacher" no not at all. Thats simply not true at all Betty, nor have i ever said that.

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WILDB STATES:

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talk about cults!

Berean Bible Society

This Web site is home of the Berean Searchlight, the foremost ultradispensationalist journal since 1940.

This group was founded by Cornelius Stam and J. C. O'Hair, two Chicago-area ultradispensationalists whose ministries peaked in the '40s and '50s respectively. Their distinctive teaching is that the apostle Paul inaugurated a new dispensation of grace, unveiling a brand-new gospel and (according to some) a whole new way of salvation.

Paul's teaching is thus set against the rest of the New Testament and interpreted in a way that renders most of Jesus' teaching utterly irrelevant to the present age.

Thus the Word of God is mangled in the name of Bereanism. Though no longer the force it was in the mid-20th century, this organization has stayed alive by adopting the cultish strategy of targeting untaught lay people to whom this bizarre hermeneutical approach (buttressed with selective proof-texting) appears deep and sophisticated.

BEWARE OF HYPER DISPENSATIONALISM

“Hyper-dispensationalism” is characterized by making a sharp division between the ministry of Christ and that of the Apostles, and of further dividing Paul’s teaching from that of Peter and the other apostles. Some of the well-known teachers of hyper- or ultra-dispensationalism are E.W. Bullinger, Cornelius Stam, J.C. O’Hair, Charles Welch, Otis Sellers, A.E. Knoch, and Charles Baker. There are many varieties of hyper-dispensationalism, but the following are some of the characteristics:


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Looks like your right Brother Dale..
Berean Society is a cult..

False teachings by C. Stam, and JC O'Hair;

more i study them the worse it gets, and the more it looks like a CULT!








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Bite me!

More FALSE WITNESSING

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wildb's above quote to B... Me; is unacceptable by bbs rules...it is offensive and shows ones heart..

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quote:
Originally posted by WildB:
yes thats if worms have knees!

BRING THEM 2 me!

Galatians 6:1 - If a man is overtaken in a fault, those who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of meekness.

Meekness does not mean we do not show others they are wrong. We are commanded to show them their error in meekness.

2 Timothy 2:24-26 - In meekness correct those who oppose themselves so they can recover themselves from the snare of the Devil.

People are simply mistaken if they think a meek person will never tell others they are wrong. Meekness leads us to tell others they are wrong - the same verses that say to be meek, also command us to correct others.

There is plenty of good information on the Berean Bible Society website to use to refute their mistakes.

Name calling and insults will only prove an un-Christian character.

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I decided to stay out of this. This is WildB's opportunity to defend his beliefs.
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But, Carol, you don't get it. Every Preacher is a false Gospel Preacher, according to Barry and BecauseHeLives, who doesn't preach that you have to go to Church on Saturday and keep the Old Testament Laws. [Big Grin] Paul would be on their case if he were alive today for preaching the same false Gospel that some of the Christian Jews did in His day: becoming Jews first and then Christians.
betty

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Brother becausehelives states:

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talk about cults!

Berean Bible Society

This Web site is home of the Berean Searchlight, the foremost ultradispensationalist journal since 1940.

This group was founded by Cornelius Stam and J. C. O'Hair, two Chicago-area ultradispensationalists whose ministries peaked in the '40s and '50s respectively. Their distinctive teaching is that the apostle Paul inaugurated a new dispensation of grace, unveiling a brand-new gospel and (according to some) a whole new way of salvation.

Paul's teaching is thus set against the rest of the New Testament and interpreted in a way that renders most of Jesus' teaching utterly irrelevant to the present age.

Thus the Word of God is mangled in the name of Bereanism. Though no longer the force it was in the mid-20th century, this organization has stayed alive by adopting the cultish strategy of targeting untaught lay people to whom this bizarre hermeneutical approach (buttressed with selective proof-texting) appears deep and sophisticated.

BEWARE OF HYPER DISPENSATIONALISM

“Hyper-dispensationalism” is characterized by making a sharp division between the ministry of Christ and that of the Apostles, and of further dividing Paul’s teaching from that of Peter and the other apostles. Some of the well-known teachers of hyper- or ultra-dispensationalism are E.W. Bullinger, Cornelius Stam, J.C. O’Hair, Charles Welch, Otis Sellers, A.E. Knoch, and Charles Baker. There are many varieties of hyper-dispensationalism, but the following are some of the characteristics:


Looks like your right Brother Dale..
Berean Society is a cult..

False teachings by C. Stam, and JC O'Hair;

more i study them the worse it gets, and the more it looks like a CULT!


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A Theological Introduction to Hyper-Dispensationalism
By jaminhubner on Jul 15, 2010 in Hyper-Dispensationalism

Is Hyper-Dispensationalism a “heresy”? Is it a “false teaching”? Or, is it just a “denomination,” “sect,” or a “cult”?

Hyper-dispensationalists do not outright deny the core doctrines of orthodox Christianity. They believe in the deity of Christ, the Trinity, justification by faith alone, etc. They also worship in the same type of setting as a traditional evangelical church. In that very general sense, Hyper-Dispensationalism is more properly labeled a “denomination” than a “sect” or “cult.” It is, to a degree, a small branch of the larger Christian tree.

However, Hyper-Dispensationalism appears, functions, and exists very much like a traditional “cult” or “sect.” These two terms might seem a bit strong. But, Hyper-Dispensationalism has strong resemblances with what we might call a “cult,” such as having its own vocabulary, authoritative writings, founding leaders/prophets, history, development, etc.

The historian Ruth Tucker defines the term cult in Another Gospel:

A “cult” is a religious group that has a “prophet”-founder called of god to give a special message not found in the Bible itself, often apocalyptic in nature and often set forth in ‘inspired’ writings. In deference to this charismatic figure or these ‘inspired’ writings, the style of leadership is authoritarian and there is frequently an exclusivistic outlook, supported by a legalistic lifestyle and persecution mentality.[1]

She goes on to offer other definitions, such as the definition by Jim Sire:

[A cult is] any religious movement that is organizationally distinct and has doctrines and/or practices that contradict those of the Scriptures as interpreted by traditional Christianity as represented by the major Catholic and Protestant denominations, and as expressed in such statements as the Apostle’s creed.[2]

Hyper-Dispensationalism fits virtually all the criteria of a cult, with the exception of having “inspired writings.” Its founder can be directed either towards John Nelson Darby (founder of Dispensationalism, 1840s-50s) or Cornelius R. Stam (founder of Hyper-Dispensationalism, 1930s-40s), both of whom believe their message was concealed from the church until their lifetime. In that sense, they could be properly labeled “prophets.”

Furthermore, Hyper-Dispensationalism’s doctrines contradict the Scriptures as interpreted by the historic church. Hyper-Dispensationalism teaches that there are two gospels in the New Testament, that Jesus and Peter taught works-righteous salvation, that all forms of water baptism are unnecessary and “dangerous,” that the Great Commission in Matthew’s gospel is inapplicable for anyone today, and that the teaching in Paul’s epistles are the only relevant sources for doctrine in the church.

Their reasoning goes as follows:

1.The Bible is divided up into dispensations.[3] Therefore…
1.Paul introduces a completely new gospel (the “mystery” was revealed to him only) with the inauguration of the Dispensation of Grace.[4] Therefore…
1.i. There are “two gospels” in the New Testament[5]; Peter and Jesus taught works-righteous salvation while Paul taught grace.[6] Therefore…
2.ii. Only Paul’s epistles are the basis for doctrine today,[7] and people are not saved by the teachings of Jesus or Peter, but exclusively by the gospel of Paul.[8]
2.There is no “Great Commission” in Matthew’s gospel.[9]
3.Water baptism is no longer necessary. In fact, it’s “dangerous.”[10]
This is why I said Hyper-Dispensationalism is a branch of Christianity to a degree. It has a lot of the “right stuff,” but it also has a lot of the wrong stuff.

Hyper-Dispensationalism also fits the characteristics of a “sect,” which Ernst Troeltsch defines as,

…a religious group which is gathered or called out of some natural organic group or state church on positively anticonformist grounds, sometimes by a charismatic leader, but as often by some principle of greater strictness, more single-minded dedication, or more intense abnegation of the world and its attractions. Often, even usually, the sect has as its main principle some aspect of the orthodox faith which is being lost or neglected.[11]

Hyper-Dispensationalism believes that the aspect of the orthodox faith that has been neglected is the distinctiveness of the Apostle Paul. As Cornelius Stam said,

It was the teachings of such men as Ironside, [Arno C.] Gaebelein, [Lewis Sperry] Chafer, Haldeman, Pettingill, Newell, Ottman, and Gray that led us to the position we now hold. We saw that their dispensationalism, as a system of interpretation, was sound, but were increasingly convinced that their failure to see the absolute distinctiveness of Paul’s apostleship lay at the root of their many doctrinal differences.[12]

In many ways, Hyper-Dispensationalism is consistent Dispensationalism. Darby effectively replaced Gods’ covenants (i.e covenant with Adam) with his dispensations (i.e. “dispensation of innocence”). But only hyper-dispensationalists fully carry out the implications.

In conclusion, it appears that Hyper-Dispensationalism has attributes of both a cult and a sect, and due to its adherence to some of the classic doctrines of orthodoxy and evangelical form of worship, it also appears as a denomination. Hyper-Dispensationalism is truly a mix of all of these categories, which is partly why it is so difficult to understand and therefore difficult to critique.


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[1] Ruther Tucker. Another Gospel: Cults, Alternative Religions, and the New Age Movement (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1989), 16.

[2] Ibid.

[3] Joel Finck. The Mystery: The Key to the Bible (Rapid City: Grace Bible Church Publication, 1997), 6-8; Cornelius R. Stam, Things That Differ: The Fundamentals of Dispensationalism (Nappanee: Evangel Press, 1996), 11.

[4] Finck, The Mystery, 23. See also, Cornelius Stam. “Paul, the Apostle of Grace.” August/September, 2002.

[5] Joel Finck. Common Questions About the Grace Message (Parsons Publishing Company, 2002), 17, 57-59. See also chapter 2 of Lordship Salvation (Grace Bible Church, 1998), entitled “Two Gospels.”

[6] Finck, Common Questions, 57.

[7] Robert Brock. “Seven Basic Bible Facts Every Christian Should Know and Believe.” http://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/articles/1017954587.html. “…This is God’s only message for the lost in this present age. We are to follow Paul as he followed Christ (I Cor. 11:1). In his writings ALONE do we find the doctrine, position, walk, and destiny of the Christian.”

[8] Finck, The Mystery, 24-25.

[9] Finck, Common Questions, 45-46. See also the chapter entitled “The So-Called Great Commission” in Cornelius Stam’s Things That Differ.

[10] Finck, Common Questions, 28-38.

[11] Tucker, Another Gospel, 20.

[12] See Cornelius R. Stam. The Controversy (Gorr Press, 1962), 275.

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is this true my brother:

for i looked up and it was stated:


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The Berean Bible Society, sometimes called the Grace Movement, is a hyper-dispensational FALSE/CULTIC BELIEF system that was started by Pastor Ohair in Chicago and Pastor Baker as author.

Not believing in "minor" doctrines (like hell, baptism, etc) this group simply states that all of the Bible other than a few books of Paul (prison epistles, pastoral epistles) is NOT for us today. It redefines the Bible, the Gospel, Baptism, Kingdom etc)

Do NOT confuse this cult with the Berean Fellowship denomination that is mostly "baptistic" and I know many of the pastors personally. Their doctrinal statement would be identical to many Baptist churches.

[The use of "heresy" or "cult" is very limited on the BB so we don't call each other names like other boards! But like the Adventist, Mormons, Millennial Exclusions, etc, we do list cultic beliefs and label them as 100% in error.]
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http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=67372

im gonna further check this out...


Is Mr Stam from the berean bible soc.?

i know o'hair is..

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quote:
you and others have labeled me a cult....I am not a cult ,neither is what I believe cultist...


I have NEVER labeled you a cult! Where did you get that idea?

I said Armstrongism is a cult.

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I believe walking after the Spirit and obeying the Commandment from the heart are the same thing....
Walking in the Spirit is more than obeying the Law.
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amen Daniel

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quote:
Did you read the link I provided?
yes Carol I read it before you posted it...I read it when I was researching J. C. O'Hara...I had never heard of Him till last night. I've been reading all night.

you and others have labeled me a cult....I am not a cult ,neither is what I believe cultist...

I believe Yahweh is the same yesterday, today, forever....

I believe what was important to Yahweh in the Old Testament is important in the New Testament....

I believe Paul preached the same gospel message as Peter, John, James, Matthew, Mark, Luke.....

I believe The Commandments of Yahweh have not changed or been done away with, it is only that they are no longer on stone tablets now, they are written on the heart by the Holy Spirit....

I believe walking after the Spirit and obeying the Commandment from the heart are the same thing....

I believe not being under The Law does not make me free to disobey the Law.....

I believe the Sabbath has not been changed to Sunday, I believe The Sabbath is still a day to remember is set apart by Yahweh and called Holy but I also do not believe keeping The Sabbath adds anything to salvation.....

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Jesus gave the command to preach the gospel to the ends of the earth........and to teach the new disciples to observe the things that He has taught.

We have a doctrine delivered to us by the Son of God. The apostle Paul does not bring another brand new doctrine that supersedes the doctrine of Jesus.

I do not know how this false teaching came about..........but I could only speculate that it might be one of these reasons...............

1. Dispensationalists divide and sub-divide scripture so much.

or

2. The thinking that there must be some contradiction between Jesus teachings in the gospels and Pauls teachings on grace

With love in Christ, Daniel

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becauseHElives

Did you read the link I provided? Even if you just scan over it you'll see that the Berean Bible Society was mistakenly lumped together with others who teach ultradispensationalism, but they don't teach that themselves.

You said, "one very wrong teaching is...there are different ways of salvation in the Old Testament."

This is what Stam says:

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Now we believe that the principles of God are eternal and unchanging. They could not change. God could not change His standards; men have always been, and men always will be, saved only by grace through faith, essentially, and could only be saved on the basis of the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. The sacrifices that were demanded for atonement in Old Testament times did not in themselves save: "It is impossible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sin." They served only as an expression of the faith of the individuals who brought them. CORNELIUS R. STAM:

Anyway, WildB is the Stam guy so he should be the one to defend Stam.

Bye

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yes true Wildb has many time posted articles stating facts mentioned by David Cloud's article......

one very wrong teaching is...there are different ways of salvation in the Old Testament !

there is only one way of salvation taught in scripture....Faith in the Blood

Old Testament Saints looked forward to the Messiah...

New Testament Saints look back at the Messiah....

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Not true.

http://www.bereanbiblesociety.org/articles/1011392439.html

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talk about cults!

Berean Bible Society

This Web site is home of the Berean Searchlight, the foremost ultradispensationalist journal since 1940.

This group was founded by Cornelius Stam and J. C. O'Hair, two Chicago-area ultradispensationalists whose ministries peaked in the '40s and '50s respectively. Their distinctive teaching is that the apostle Paul inaugurated a new dispensation of grace, unveiling a brand-new gospel and (according to some) a whole new way of salvation.

Paul's teaching is thus set against the rest of the New Testament and interpreted in a way that renders most of Jesus' teaching utterly irrelevant to the present age.

Thus the Word of God is mangled in the name of Bereanism. Though no longer the force it was in the mid-20th century, this organization has stayed alive by adopting the cultish strategy of targeting untaught lay people to whom this bizarre hermeneutical approach (buttressed with selective proof-texting) appears deep and sophisticated.

BEWARE OF HYPER DISPENSATIONALISM

“Hyper-dispensationalism” is characterized by making a sharp division between the ministry of Christ and that of the Apostles, and of further dividing Paul’s teaching from that of Peter and the other apostles. Some of the well-known teachers of hyper- or ultra-dispensationalism are E.W. Bullinger, Cornelius Stam, J.C. O’Hair, Charles Welch, Otis Sellers, A.E. Knoch, and Charles Baker. There are many varieties of hyper-dispensationalism, but the following are some of the characteristics:

(1) The four Gospels are entirely Jewish and contain no direct teaching for the churches. Yet, the writer of Hebrews said that the same gospel of salvation that was preached by the apostles was preached by Christ (Heb. 2:3-4). Though we know that Christ presented Himself to the Jewish nation and we do understand that there are differences between the gospels and the epistles, yet in Hebrews 2 we do not see a sharp delineation between the gospel preached by Christ and that preached by the apostles who followed. In fact, the Gospel of John presents exactly the same gospel as that preached by Paul. Further, 1 Timothy 6:3 shows that Christ spoke directly to the church age.

(2) The book of Acts is also largely Jewish. Hyper-dispensationalists commonly believe that after Christ was rejected by Israel in the Gospels, that they were given a second chance to receive the kingdom in the first part of the book of Acts. Thus, they teach that there are two different churches viewed in the book of Acts, and the true Pauline church only started after Acts 9, 13, or 28. The church mentioned in the first part of Acts allegedly refers to a different church than that of Paul’s prison epistles. The earlier “church” in Acts is simply an aspect of the kingdom preached in the Gospels. Most of the book of Acts is therefore discounted as a guideline for the churches today. Yet, at the very end of the book of Acts we still find Paul preaching about the kingdom (Acts 28:23). In fact, he was still preaching about it in his epistles! (2 Thess. 1:5; 2 Tim. 4:1). While we can see an obvious transition in the book of Acts, and not everything in Acts continues to be in effect in the churches today (e.g., tongues speaking and apostolic sign gifts) this does not mean that there are different gospels and different churches in various parts of Acts. The book of Acts is a book about and for the churches. The pattern of the first church as described in Acts 2 is the pattern for the churches throughout the age, except for the temporary and unique aspects pertaining to the coming of the Holy Spirit and the apostolic miracles.

(3) The mysteries given to Paul are a different revelation from that given to Peter and the other Apostles, and only Paul’s writings are directly for the church today. The other epistles, such as Hebrews, James, 1 and 2 Peter, and the epistles of John are not for us today in a direct sense. Yet, Paul himself said that the church is built upon the “apostleS” plural and not merely upon himself (Eph. 2:20) and the mysteries were “revealed unto his holy apostleS and prophetS” (Eph. 3:5) and not to him alone. Peter also referred to the writings of Paul and made no distinction between Paul’s teaching and the teaching of the other apostles (2 Pet. 3:1-2, 15-16). Peter said Paul wrote to the same people and preached the same message. Though we know that Paul was the special apostle of the Gentiles and he was given unique revelations about the church as the body of Christ, his revelations in no way contradict the revelations given in the General Epistles (Hebrews - Jude).

(4) The gospel preached by Peter in the early part of the book of Acts is different from the gospel preached by Paul. Yet, there is actually no difference between the gospel preached by Peter and that which Paul preached. Peter preached salvation through the blood of Christ (1 Pet. 1:2), salvation by God’s free mercy (1 Peter 1:3), the new birth (1 Peter 1:3), eternal security because of the resurrection of Christ (1 Pet. 1:3-4). Acts 15 plainly states that all of the apostles, including Peter and Paul, agreed on the gospel. Paul plainly said in 1 Cor. 15:11-14 that they all preached the same gospel. Even in Acts 2, Peter was preaching the gospel of the grace of Christ rather than a “kingdom gospel.” He preached Christ -- His crucifixion (Acts 2:23), resurrection (Acts 2:24-32), ascension and Lordship (Acts 2:33-36). He preached that the people should repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins (Acts 2:38). This is not a “kingdom gospel.” Further, Paul states in Galatians 1, that anyone who preached a different gospel was cursed. If Peter were truly preaching a different gospel in those days, he would have fallen under this curse.

(5) Baptism and the Lord’s Supper were given to Paul before he received the church age mysteries; thus they are not for the churches today. Hyper-dispensationalists differ on this point. Some accept both baptism and the Lord’s Supper; some reject water baptism and the Lord’s Supper altogether; while others reject only baptism and keep the Lord’s Supper.

(6) According to hyper-dispensationalism there are different ways of salvation in the Old Testament and during the Tribulation. Peter Ruckman, for example, teaches that men were saved by faith plus works in the Old Testament and that they will be saved by faith plus works in the Tribulation and by works alone in the Millennium. In Millions Disappear: Fact or Fiction? Ruckman says: “If the Lord comes and you remain behind, then start working like a madman to get to heaven, because you’re going to have to. ... You must keep the Ten Commandments (all of them, Ecclesiastes 12:13), keep the Golden Rule (1 John 3:10), give your money to the poor, get baptized, take up your cross, hold out to the end of the Tribulation, wait for Jesus Christ to show up at the Battle of Armageddon, and be prepared to die for what you believe. In the Tribulation you cannot be saved by grace alone, like you could before the Rapture.” In fact, Romans 4:1-8 plainly states that Abraham before the law and David under the law were saved by faith without works. This is the only plan of salvation God ever has had and ever will have--salvation by grace alone through faith alone based upon the shed blood of Jesus Christ alone. The Old Testament saints did not know what the New Testament saint knows, but Romans 4 makes it plain that they were saved by faith without works. Like Abraham, they believed God and it was counted unto them for righteousness. Those who are saved in the Tribulation will also be saved through faith in God’s Word and by the blood of Jesus Christ and through this alone (Rev. 7:14).

Harry A. Ironside wrote a helpful little booklet about this problem called “Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth: Ultra-Dispensationalism Examined in the Light of Holy Scripture.” He deals largely with the error of Bullingerism. This is available on the Internet at....

http://www.biblelineministries.org/onlinebooks/wrongly-dividing-the-word-of-truth/

this info found at...

http://www.wayoflife.org/files/ff92e8f95e2e0887d2468156498ba416-163.html

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Strive to enter in at the strait gate:for many, I say unto you will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. ( Luke 13:24 )

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