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Topic: Is there really a Mormon Jesus?
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mpaper345
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There is a Mormon Jesus but it is in their mind and not true.The Mormons beliefs and the Holy Bible conflict each other.
The Mormons believe that we must always have a prophet,a main guide,to show us the truth.But the Bible says we do not need any man to teach us but the Spirit will teach us the word of God.
Matt
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Brother Paul
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Ecellent post! A lot of people do not realize but as nicety as they seem their basic doctrine is straight from the play book of the Serpent
1) You cannot trust God's word (you shall not surely die...)
2) But if you eat of their extra-biblical fruit (the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price)
3) Your eyes shall be opened
4) you shall become as a god
Sadly they are totally blind to this.
Paul
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byfaith
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I read a book called out of Mormonism, about a lady who was deeply involved in the LDS church.
Very scary stuff...what she witnessed and went through.
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Carol Swenson
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"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!... We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see."
( Teachings of the Prophet by Joseph Smith, page 345)
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Carol Swenson
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Comparing the Mormon Jesus with the Jesus of the Holy Bible
How was Jesus born?
According to Mormon theology, Jesus is the literal son of god and his goddess wife. He was born through physical sexual relations with Mary. Brigham Young taught that Jesus was not born with any involvement of the Holy Spirit.
According to the Bible, Jesus is not the literal son of god and his goddess wife. He was not born through sexual relations. Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born. There is no such thing as a goddess wife. Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 1:20).
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Where was Jesus born? Of what tribe?
According to Mormon theology, Jesus was born in Jerusalem (Book of Mormon, Alma 7:9,10) and is of the Tribe of Benjamin. The city of Jerusalem (Jebusi) belonged to the tribe of Benjamin (Joshua 18:21-28).
According to the Bible, Jesus was born in Bethlehem, of the Davidic, kingly line of Judah (Matthew 2:1, Hebrews 7:14). Jesus is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah (Revelation 5:5). Jesus is a descendant of David, a Bethlehemite (Matthew 1:6, 1 Samuel 16:1). Several other verses refer to Jesus as "Son of David" (Matthew 15:22; 21:9; Mark 10:47). The line of King was through the Tribe of Judah and not Benjamin (Genesis 49:9-10).
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Spirit brothers
According to Mormon theology, Jesus is the brother of all spirits born in heaven. He is also the spirit brother of Lucifer.
According to the Bible, Jesus is not the brother of all spirits born in heaven and he is not the spirit brother of Lucifer. Lucifer is an angel created by Jesus (who created all angels). Lucifer rebelled against God. Only those that do the will of the Father are considered spiritual brothers and sisters of Jesus (Mark 3:35). Jesus even told some Jews that their spiritual father was the devil (John 8:44).
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Earthly marriage and celestial marriage
According to Mormon theology, Jesus was married and had wives. Thus, in Heaven, Jesus will continue to be married to his wives forever.
According to the Bible, Jesus was not married and did not have wives. Jesus said there is no celestial marriage. "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven" (Matthew 22:30).
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Polygamy
According to Mormon theology, Jesus was a polygamist (Journal of Discourses, Volume 4, page 259).
According to the Bible, Jesus was not married and did not have wives.
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The Godhead
In Mormon theology, in the "Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith p. 370", Joseph Smith taught that God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit exist as 3 gods. The Trinity is three separate gods.
According to the Bible, Jesus is not one of 3 gods in the godhead. The Trinity is 3 persons in one God. Jesus is God. There is only 1 God, but many false gods.
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The Nature of God
According to Mormon theology, in Doctrines and Covenants 130:22, "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also". According to Doctrines and Covenants section 93, man was co-eternal with God in the beginning. In 1844, Joseph Smith began teaching that the Book of Abraham teaches that God is but one link in an infinite ancestral chain of Gods stretching back through eternity. God is only one of innumerable Gods. The Church believes that humans are the literal offspring of God and one of his celestial wives, and because of this we all have the potential to achieve exaltation to divine status. Smith taught beginning in 1844 that God had a literal father, and that father had a literal father, and so on. Mormons also teach that we existed in heaven with God (our literal Father) as spirits before we became human.
According to the Bible, Jesus teaches us that God is a spirit. Man was not co-eternal with God. Jesus created man. God did not procreate with celestial wives.
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The Existence of Jesus
According to Mormon theology, Jesus had a beginning. Jesus was a created being.
According to the Bible, Jesus did not have a beginning. Jesus is the Eternal God.
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Atonement for Sin
According to Mormon theology, Jesus atoned for sin on the cross and in the garden of Gethsemene. Jesus' sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p. 247, 1856.
According to the Bible, Jesus atoned for sin on the cross alone. His atoning death on the cross was able to cleanse all sins
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Plan of Salvation
According to Mormon theology, Jesus offered a plan of salvation in addition to the one offered by Lucifer. Also, there is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, p. 188.
According to the Bible, Jesus is the only plan for salvation. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. There is no salvation in any other name
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Where will Jesus return?
According to Mormon theology, Jesus is expected to return to a future temple in Missouri.
According to the Bible, Jesus will return to the Jerusalem in Israel (Zechariah 14:4).
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Garden of Gethsemane
According to Mormon theology, Jesus sweat blood in the Garden of Gethsemane.
According to the Bible, Jesus did not sweat blood in the Garden of Gethsemane. "And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly, and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground" (Luke 22:44).
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Passover
According to Mormon theology, Jesus did not mention the Passover.
According to the Bible, Jesus mentioned the Passover to his disciples.
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Period of darkness
According to Mormon theology, when Jesus died darkness covered the land for three days (Nephi 8:19, 23).
According to the Bible, when Jesus died darkness covered the land for three hours (Luke 23:44).
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Where did Jesus preach the Gospel?
According to Mormon theology, Jesus came to the United States to preach the gospel.
According to the Bible, Jesus did not go to the United States or any other country after his resurrection to preach the gospel for that matter. He told his disciples to go to the ends of the earth and preach the gospel. This is called the Great Commission (Mark 16:15).
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The Church of Christ
In Mormon theology, Jesus' church ceased to exist and Joseph Smith came to restore it.
According to the Bible, Jesus built his Church and it would exist for all time (Matthew 16:18).
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Praying to and worshipping Jesus
In Mormon temples, Jesus is not worshipped and is not called God. Mormons do not call Jesus their Lord and God. Mormons never address prayer to Jesus Christ. Prayers are made in His name, but only addressed to the "Heavenly Father". They do not go through Christ.
According to the Bible, Jesus Bible is prayed to (Acts 7:55-60; Rom. 10:13; Zech 13:9 with 1 Cor. 1:1-2), is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9; John 9:35-38; Heb. 1:6), and is called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8). Jesus allowed Thomas to address Him as "My Lord and my God" in John 20:28. In Isaiah 9:6, He is called "The mighty God" and "The everlasting Father," and we read in Micah 5:2 that Jesus is "from everlasting." Christians go through Christ because Jesus is the only mediator between God and man.
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The Testament of Jesus Christ
In Mormon theology, Jesus gave a second New Testament (or Covenant). The Book of Mormon is said to be another Testament of Jesus Christ.
According to the Bible, Jesus only gave ONE New Testament (or Covenant). See Matthew 26:28, Mark 14:24, and Luke 22:20.
If you put your faith in a Jesus that is false, then your faith is useless.
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The True Salvation
Mormons believe that one's salvation is based on such good works as baptism, good deeds, missionary work, and following Mormon teachings. In The Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, justification by faith in Jesus Christ is called a "pernicious doctrine" twice and he states that it has been "an influence for evil." (pp. 107, 480) Bruce McConkie once stated at Brigham Young University that a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is "improper and perilous" (Church News, March 20, 1982, p. 5)
Ephesians 2:8-9 says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Romans 4:5 says that salvation comes to those who do not work for salvation, but believe on Jesus Christ instead!
Jesus Christ came into this world to lay down His sinless life for YOU--to pay for your sins because you couldn't. Jesus is your only hope for salvation. Only by receiving Him as your Saviour can you enter the gates of Heaven. There is no other way. "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father but by me." (John 14:6) "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12)
The Lord Jesus Christ has come and PAID for your sins by shedding His own Blood on Calvary. By receiving Him as your Saviour, you can be WASHED from all your sins in His precious Blood (Rev. 1:5; Col. 1:14; Acts 20:28; I Pet. 1:18-19). Notice these important words from Romans 5:8-9: "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."
Jesus PAID your way to Heaven! Your church cannot save you! Only by receiving Jesus Christ as your Saviour can you escape the damnation of Hell. Are you willing to forsake YOUR righteousness and receive Jesus Christ as your Saviour, your ONLY HOPE for Salvation? Romans 10:13 says, "Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:9 says, "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Why not pray right now and ask the Lord to come into your heart and cleanse you from all sin? He will save you just as He promised.
http://mmoutreachinc.com/mormons/morchristjesus.html
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Eduardo Grequi
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You won't find that in the bible. Book of Revelations says anyone who adds or takes away from the words of the prophecy will have their name removed from the book of life.
We must pray for those who are misguided. Mormons use same terminology but the words have different meanings.
(Rev 22:18) For I testify together to everyone who hears the Words of the prophecy of this Book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add on him the plagues that have been written in this Book.
(Rev 22:19) And if anyone takes away from the Words of the Book of this prophecy, God will take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which have been written in this Book.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKxQfbdYYSA
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