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I honestly do not understand why Todd is allowed to stay on this board and spread false Gospel.
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Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

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That is all.....

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quote:
Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
I wonder if he's addicted to failure and frustration?

Could be. That is certainly the result for all of his efforts to attack the Word of God.

If Poor Deluded Todd would repent of his anger and hatred of God's Word and open his heart to Christ, then the chains of bondage and deception could be broken, and this poor deluded child could be set free in the TRUE Christ.

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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..

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quote:
Originally posted by Carol Swenson:
poor todd is

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Yes he is. He has rejected the Word of God and has embraced deception and seeks to lead others astray.

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1 Tim. 3:
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quote:
Originally posted by todd_vetter26:

God's Word validates itself. Your reliance upon one-third of the minority texts, and the most flawed of the three,(Vatinicus, Sinaiticus, Alexandrian), shows an intrinsic animosity to the True Word of God as represented in the Majority Texts,(which the translators of the Minority had to rely upon to fill-in the gaps), and which were substantiated in the Old Testament from the scrolls at Qumran.

You cannot handle the truth of God's Word and so you seek to attack and pervert, to wrest scriptures unto your own destruction. [/QB][/QUOTE]

I think your missing the point. The texts that Rome claims to be written by the apostles were written by Rome after they modified them greatly to their destruction and yours.

You are correct that God's word validates it's self. See page 15 for evidence of this. Please review the page before responding so that you will not look too silly by others reading your replies.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

God Bless [/QB][/QUOTE]


There is nothing more to read and waste further time over, in your pablum of error and heresy.

One does not have to drink the entire cup of poison to recognize death is in drink.

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quote:
Originally posted by todd_vetter26:
Page 27 of the following link validates the testimony in my last post to be ancinent and predating the 4 roman gospels of half truth.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

what person in the flesh today can claim the testimony is untrue after viewing a witness this solid? This is only a fragment of the evidence that illustrates the last post to be true. Prophecy (God's word) validates it along with common sence and basic reality.

God Bless.

God's Word validates itself. Your reliance upon one-third of the minority texts, and the most flawed of the three,(Vatinicus, Sinaiticus, Alexandrian), shows an intrinsic animosity to the True Word of God as represented in the Majority Texts,(which the translators of the Minority had to rely upon to fill-in the gaps), and which were substantiated in the Old Testament from the scrolls at Qumran.

You cannot handle the truth of God's Word and so you seek to attack and pervert, to wrest scriptures unto your own destruction.

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1 Tim. 3:
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quote:
Originally posted by todd_vetter26:
quote:
Originally posted by Caretaker:
Satan despises the Word of God, and has sought from the very beginning to distort and lead astray.

So too in the spirit of anti-Christ you Vetter deny the truth that God was manifest in the flesh, fully God and fully man.

As a deceiver you bring false scriptures and seek to lead astray.

You quoted Matthew 1 to me... It was you who claimed Christ did not come according to the Flesh.. if I remember correctly.. I have a mother and a Father. I'm sure you had a mother and a Father. That means you came according to the flesh.

The Matthew testimony is what John was warning you about.

In your bible you have two half truths with a twisting of the truth just as you stated.

Where is the half truth in this statement?
AND in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God, unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 2. Now Joseph was a just and rational Mind, and he was skilled in all manner of work in wood and in stone. And Mary was a tender and discerning Soul, and she wrought veils for the temple. And they were both pure before God; and of them both was Jesu-Maria who is called the Christ. 3. And the angel came in unto her and said, Hail, Mary, thou that art highly favored, for the Mother of God is with thee: blessed art thou among women and blessed be the fruit of thy womb. 4. And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found favor with God and, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb and bring forth a child, and He shall be great and shalt be called a Son of the Highest. 5. And the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: and he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. 6. Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her The Holy Spirit shall come upon Joseph thy Spouse, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, O Mary, therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Christ, the Child of God, and his Name on earth shalt be called Jesu-Maria, for he shall save the people from their sins, whosoever shall repent and obey his Law. 7. Therefore ye shall eat no flesh, nor drink strong drink, for the child shall be consecrated unto God from its mother's womb, and neither flesh nor strong drink shall he take, nor shall razor touch his head. 8. And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren. For with God no thing shall be impossible. And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. 9. And in the same day the angel Gabriel appeared unto Joseph in a dream and said unto him, Hail, Joseph, thou that art highly favored, for the Fatherhood of God is with thee. Blessed art thou among men and blessed be the fruit of thy loins. 10. And as Joseph thought upon these words he was troubled, and the angel of the Lord said unto him, Fear not, Joseph, thou Son of David, for thou hast found favor with God, and behold thou shalt beget a child, and thou shalt call his name Jesu-Maria for he shall save his people from their sins. 11. Now all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was written in the prophets saying, Behold a Maiden shall conceive and be with child and shall bring forth a son, and shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God Within Us. 12. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel had bidden him, and went in unto Mary, his espoused bride, and she conceived in her womb the Holy One.

For more information on this.. see page 36 at the following link.

http://www.thedeathandresurection.com/pdf/the%20death%20and%20resurrection.pdf

False teaching from part three from your site:

"the angel answered and said unto her The Holy Spirit shall come upon Joseph thy
Spouse, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee, O Mary, therefore also
that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Christ, the Child of
God, and his Name on earth shalt be called Jesu-Maria, for he shall save the people from
their sins, whosoever shall repent and obey his Law.
7. Therefore ye shall eat no flesh, nor drink strong drink, for the child shall be
consecrated unto God from its mother's womb, and neither flesh nor strong drink shall he
take, nor shall razor touch his head."


Your false teaching that Jesus was a Nazarite such as Sampson, Samuel, John, and Paul.

Jesus was a Nazarene as He was from Nazereth.

Jesus drank wine, which a Nazarite could not do.

You rely upon the most flawed of texts which supports your antagonism to the Word of God.

Matt. 1:21
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jesus in the Greek:

�Ihsou'� of Hebrew origin (03091)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Iesous 3:284,360
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ee-ay-sooce' Noun Masculine
Definition
Jesus = "Jehovah is salvation"

1. Jesus, the Son of God, the Saviour of mankind, God incarnate
2. Jesus Barabbas was the captive robber whom the Jews begged Pilate to release instead of Christ
3. Joshua was the famous captain of the Israelites, Moses' successor (Ac. 7:45, Heb. 4:
4.
5. Jesus, son of Eliezer, one of the ancestors of Christ (Lu. 3:
6.
7. Jesus, surnamed Justus, a Jewish Christian, an associate with Paul in the preaching of the gospel (Col. 4:

Hebrew origin:

[wXwhy from (03068) and (03467)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Y@howshuwa` None
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
yeh-ho-shoo'-ah
Definition
Joshua or Jehoshua = "Jehovah is salvation" n pr m

1. son of Nun of the tribe of Ephraim and successor to Moses as the leader of the children of Israel; led the conquest of Canaan
2. a resident of Beth-shemesh on whose land the Ark of the Covenant came to a stop after the Philistines returned it
3. son of Jehozadak and high priest after the restoration
4. governor of Jerusalem under king Josiah who gave his name to a gate of the city of Jerusalem


You deny the true Christ, God manifest in the flesh, fully God and fully man.

Isaiah 9:
6: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7: Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

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Satan despises the Word of God, and has sought from the very beginning to distort and lead astray.

So too in the spirit of anti-Christ you Vetter deny the truth that God was manifest in the flesh, fully God and fully man.

As a deceiver you bring false scriptures and seek to lead astray.

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Drew

1 Tim. 3:
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You bring pure heresy from a counterfeit theology Vetter.

Matt. 1:
18: Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
19: Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
20: But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22: Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24: Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

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1 Tim. 3:
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quote:
Originally posted by practicalbibleteaching:
You wouldn’t buy a home unless you’ve first inspected it. You’d check the foundation, wiring, roof, and things like that. If we’re so careful before accepting something temporary, how much more careful should we be before accepting teaching which deals with things that are eternal?

“Prove all things,” the Bible says and “hold fast that which is good.” (1 Thessalonians 5:21) But how do we tell the difference between good and bad bible teaching? In Acts 17:11 the believers were commended because they “received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” In other words they didn’t just accept whatever was being taught, they studied for themselves to make sure it was true. That’s how we tell good bible teaching from bad. We compare someone’s teaching to what God has told us in the Bible. We must read our Bibles and know what's in it. The good Bible teacher wants people to study their Bibles because when you find out something for yourself you are a lot more likely to remember it.


Let’s look at 1 John 4:1-6 for some help in this area.
TRY THE SPIRITS

v. 1) “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” John first tells us to not believe every spirit. The world is filled with spirits. God is a spirit. God's Angels are spirits. The devil and all the fallen angels are spirits. Every living person also has a spirit. We can not believe everything we hear because the world is filled with false teachers and false teaching. This has been true since man's fall into sin. In 2 Timothy 3 we learn that in the last days many people will have a form of godliness but deny its power and that wicked men and deceivers will grow worse and worse. We’re warned to stay away from such people.

John then gives two tests to help us.

TEST #1 - WHAT DO THEY SAY ABOUT JESUS?

v. 2) “Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:” A good bible teacher teaches about Jesus. The good teacher teaches that Jesus is God (John 1:1) who became flesh and dwelt among us (John 1:14), that He is the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29), that He died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures. (1 Cor 15:1-4)

Too many teachers focus more on healing or prosperity than they do on sharing the main reason why Jesus came, to save us from our sin. Jesus is not just a part of the Bible, he is the centerpiece of it. (John 14:6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

v. 3) “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” John says those who deny that Jesus is from God have the spirit of antichrist. Antichrist means “against God” but it can also mean “in place of God”. For almost everything God has which is true and right, Satan has a counterfiet. 2 Corinthians 11:14-15 tells us that “Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness.”

This spirit of antichrist shows itself in many different ways. Some will teach that Jesus was a good man and no more, or that He wasn’t raised from the dead, or that He isn't the only savior, or that He isn't coming again. The key thing to remember is the false teacher will change the truth about Jesus.

TEST #2 - WHO LISTENS TO THEIR MESSAGE

v. 5) “They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.” A wise preacher once said, “whenever you hear the world say something is great you probably should stay away from it!” Jesus tells us that “The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil” (John 7:7). Because the world hates God it will always embrace a message that allows sin and rebellion against God. John warns us to be careful not to embrace such a message.

v. 6) “We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.” “My sheep,” Jesus said, “hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” (John 10:27). When deciding what teaching to accept we need to ask the questions: “Do I hear His voice in this? Can I hear Him clearly or is His voice faint or is it not there at all?” We know His voice because we have His words recorded for us in the Bible and we have the Holy Spirit within us who will guide us into all truth (John16:13).

A FEW MORE VERSES TO KEEP IN MIND

Gal 1:6-8 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

2 Pet 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Duet 18:21-22 ...How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Duet 13:1-3 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.



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Drew

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Good stuff Bro!!!

2 Tim. 3:

13: But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14: But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15: And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

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You wouldn’t buy a home unless you’ve first inspected it. You’d check the foundation, wiring, roof, and things like that. If we’re so careful before accepting something temporary, how much more careful should we be before accepting teaching which deals with things that are eternal? “Prove all things,” the Bible says and “hold fast that which is good.” (1 Thessalonians 5:21) But how do we tell the difference between good and bad bible teaching? In Acts 17:11 the believers were commended because they “received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.” In other words they didn’t just accept whatever was being taught, they studied for themselves to make sure it was true. That’s how we tell good bible teaching from bad. We compare someone’s teaching to what God has told us in the Bible. We must read our Bibles and know what's in it. The good Bible teacher wants people to study their Bibles because when you find out something for yourself you are a lot more likely to remember it.
Let’s look at 1 John 4:1-6 for some help in this area.
TRY THE SPIRITS
v. 1) “Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.” John first tells us to not believe every spirit. The world is filled with spirits. God is a spirit. God's Angels are spirits. The devil and all the fallen angels are spirits. Every living person also has a spirit. We can not believe everything we hear because the world is filled with false teachers and false teaching. This has been true since man's fall into sin. In 2 Timothy 3 we learn that in the last days many people will have a form of godliness but deny its power and that wicked men and deceivers will grow worse and worse. We’re warned to stay away from such people. John then gives two tests to help us.
TEST #1 - WHAT DO THEY SAY ABOUT JESUS?
v. 2) “Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:” A good bible teacher teaches about Jesus. The good teacher teaches that Jesus is God (John 1:1) who became flesh and dwelt among us (John 1:14), that He is the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29), that He died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures. (1 Cor 15:1-4) Too many teachers focus more on healing or prosperity than they do on sharing the main reason why Jesus came, to save us from our sin. Jesus is not just a part of the Bible, he is the centerpiece of it. (John 14:6) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

v. 3) “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” John says those who deny that Jesus is from God have the spirit of antichrist. Antichrist means “against God” but it can also mean “in place of God”. For almost everything God has which is true and right, Satan has a counterfiet. 2 Corinthians 11:14-15 tells us that “Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness.” This spirit of antichrist shows itself in many different ways. Some will teach that Jesus was a good man and no more, or that He wasn’t raised from the dead, or that He isn't the only savior, or that He isn't coming again. The key thing to remember is the false teacher will change the truth about Jesus.
TEST #2 - WHO LISTENS TO THEIR MESSAGE
v. 5) “They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.” A wise preacher once said, “whenever you hear the world say something is great you probably should stay away from it!” Jesus tells us that “The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil” (John 7:7). Because the world hates God it will always embrace a message that allows sin and rebellion against God. John warns us to be careful not to embrace such a message.

v. 6) “We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.” “My sheep,” Jesus said, “hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” (John 10:27). When deciding what teaching to accept we need to ask the questions: “Do I hear His voice in this? Can I hear Him clearly or is His voice faint or is it not there at all?” We know His voice because we have His words recorded for us in the Bible and we have the Holy Spirit within us who will guide us into all truth (John16:13).
A FEW MORE VERSES TO KEEP IN MIND
Gal 1:6-8 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

2 Pet 1:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Duet 18:21-22 ...How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Duet 13:1-3 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

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