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Originally posted by Itty-Bitty Girl:
I think if somebody really wanted to hear the gospel, then they wouldn't even bring up the stupid davinci code.
I think you are young. I will leave it at that.
As ST suggests, we will agree to disagree.
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Yes, some good points have been made. But I don't believe there's all that much to worry about. How much damage did "The Last Temptation Of Christ" or "Jesus Christ Superstar" do. Frankly, I believe more damage is being done to the cause of Christ by some of those who claim to be His than all the blasphemous movies ever filmed.
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There are Good and Valid points on both side of this issue from what I can see... I think it would be good for each to hold to their own convictions on this and just agree to disagree... Sound like a plan? ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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That tells me that they're searching, and I most certainly would not "pass them by".
It is fine if you are not led to pursue this subject, but there will be many Christians who are.
Yo, how do you know if they are really searching for God or searching for a debate...? I think if somebody really wanted to hear the gospel, then they wouldn't even bring up the stupid davinci code.
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Originally posted by Itty-Bitty Girl:
If I'm evangelizing, and somebody want to talk about some davinci code... I will pass them by and preach to somebody who wanna hear the gospel, not talk about some blasphemous offensive stuff.
I certainly respect your thoughts on the subject.
Thankfully, there will be some Christians who will be willing to discuss the movie with non-believers, and not "pass them by". God can use these Christians to reach the movie-going lost. It is an opportunity to share the Truth about Jesus, as opposed to what they will see in the movie.
The people who asked me about the book when it first came out, did so knowing that I'm a Christian and would not agree with it.
They already knew I wouldn't like the book, which means they knew it contradicted the bible, and yet they still wanted to hear from me.
That tells me that they're searching, and I most certainly would not "pass them by".
It is fine if you are not led to pursue this subject, but there will be many Christians who are.
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I meet people each day that say they are gods because they quote,"I have the blood line of Jesus". I also meet people who say they are Jesus.
We should never brush aside things. Look what we are enduring nowadays in American Society, One issue, " I have two Daddys and two Mommies"
A Man Can Love Another Man- It is just different"
Oh it is okay to have an abortion, because I did it.
Jesus must have been married- He was a Rabbi.
But Get this- He was never commissioned as a Rabbi through the Levitical Rite (Humanly Speaking). Since Jesus is truly God- HE NEEDS NO HUMAN APPROVAL!
I do not accept that Jesus was married, because He had no need to spread his seed because HE IS ETERNALLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER.
WE PROCREATE TO FILL THE EARTH because of death that takes people.
IF ADAM AND EVE DID NOT PROCREATE- HUMANS WOULD HAD DIED OUT IN LESS THAN A THOUSAND YEARS FROM THE POINT OF THE CREATED BEINGS.
I AM NOT ETERNALLY BEGOTTEN, I will die because of sin. JESUS CHOSE to be APPROPIATION FOR SINS. HE COULD HAD THE CUP REMOVED, and salvation as we know would never exist.
I do believe though there are people who have Mary's and Joseph's blood line, but not Jesus'.
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When asked, have you seen the movie? Respond with have you read the Bible? Just my 2 cents worth. ![[cool_shades]](graemlins/cool_shades.gif)
LOL! ![[pound]](graemlins/pound.gif) AMEN Study!!!
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Originally posted by Study:
When asked, have you seen the movie? Respond with have you read the Bible? Just my 2 cents worth.
Yo, I like that! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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I'll talk about the gospel, forget some blasphemous film... I don't have to discuss some blasphemous film.
But I will preach the word, though.
I don't want to hear what nobody got to say about that stupid movie.
If I'm evangelizing, and somebody want to talk about some davinci code... I will pass them by and preach to somebody who wanna hear the gospel, not talk about some blasphemous offensive stuff.
All you got to do is preach the word.
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When asked, have you seen the movie? Respond with have you read the Bible? Just my 2 cents worth.
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Originally posted by Itty-Bitty Girl:
Can't we just ignore the movie...? Can't we just preach the gospel...?
Can't we just preach the gospel to the lost instead of debating some blasphemous film?
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We can ignore it until an unsaved person wants to discuss it with us. Then we need to be able to discuss it intelligently, and use it as an opportunity to share the gospel.
It's called engaging the culture.
If I started preaching to my audience without discussing, or refusing to discuss what they are interested in as well, that would be bible thumping. It's a matter of mutual respect. Without it, they wouldn't listen to a word I said.
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Cory and White Eagle I agree with you, both on this. If you are going to speak intelligently with someone who has read it or seen it, you need to know what they have read and seen.
None of this information that is available with regard to apologetics against the Da Vinci Code would be available if some Christian did not watch it or read it.
As you have said, there are some who have no business seeing it as they are not of strong faith or grounded in the word, but some I believe are called to apologetics on these things and need to know what they are talking about.
I also agree with David about spending our money supporting this kind of thing and that we should not do this, but there are alternatives. My husband got the book for .25 at a garage sale. You can check it out from the library, etc..
I also think that Walt is correct regarding our witness and we need to take great care not to be viewed as supporting such as this by the world.
Exactly HFHS.
The answer lies between each individual and our Lord. As you, I agree with everyone that has commented. They all have very valid points.
At least someone is selling the book for a quarter instead of turning it into a shrine. I've seen those shrines at my neighborhood book store - whole displays right in front, for this book and others like it. Ugh.
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Da Vinci Code tries to put a twist on the humanity of Jesus that he could be married etc.. BUT THE BIBLE, DID NOT TAKE TIME OUT TO GIVE THAT PIECE OF iNFORMATION. Therefore, I will not dare to add this to the cannon of scripture.
AMEN!! ![[clap2]](graemlins/clap2.gif) ![[thumbsup2]](graemlins/thumbsup2.gif)
I know. They can't prove anything... it's just some sick twisted fantasy.
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Da Vinci Code tries to put a twist on the humanity of Jesus that he could be married etc.. BUT THE BIBLE, DID NOT TAKE TIME OUT TO GIVE THAT PIECE OF iNFORMATION. Therefore, I will not dare to add this to the cannon of scripture.
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Can't we just ignore the movie...? Can't we just preach the gospel...?
Can't we just preach the gospel to the lost instead of debating some blasphemous film?
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Cory and White Eagle I agree with you, both on this. If you are going to speak intelligently with someone who has read it or seen it, you need to know what they have read and seen.
None of this information that is available with regard to apologetics against the Da Vinci Code would be available if some Christian did not watch it or read it.
As you have said, there are some who have no business seeing it as they are not of strong faith or grounded in the word, but some I believe are called to apologetics on these things and need to know what they are talking about.
I also agree with David about spending our money supporting this kind of thing and that we should not do this, but there are alternatives. My husband got the book for .25 at a garage sale. You can check it out from the library, etc..
I also think that Walt is correct regarding our witness and we need to take great care not to be viewed as supporting such as this by the world....
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In my circle, I wouldn't be credible, if I didn't see it.
If you have to see this movie to have "credibility" then you have NONE in your cirle
LOL. I like that, that's hard. I'd like to see more stuff like that on here, yo.
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With all due respect to wparr (and I do have a GREAT deal of respect for him), I do not agree with his above statement.
I have a great deal of credibility within my circle and it's because I do not behave as they expect a Christian to behave. My husband and I are the "cool" Christians. Why? Not because we water anything down, but because we treat them with respect and because we stand firm on our beliefs.
We meet them at their level. This is how we reach them. This is why they listen to us. Bible thumping does not work with this group.
It's because I would not attempt to dispute a book I hadn't read, that they have respect for me.
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I am confortable in my belief to know that a movie can not sway me from believing in non-scriptural garbage. It is quite canny that all these things come out these last few years to discredit the Christian Bible and the Deity of Jesus the Christ. If I have the chance to watch it, afterall it would be entertaining. To understand the enemy, is to understand the concepts behind what motivates such thoughts. Imagine if you will Secular Psychologist based their care on- "There is No Hope" Christian Psychologist say there is an absolute and there is a hope and a purpose. Since I have been studying Psychology and Counseling most people I come into contact with have problems of loneliness, and not being accepted. Da Vinci Code tries to put a twist on the humanity of Jesus that he could be married etc.. BUT THE BIBLE, DID NOT TAKE TIME OUT TO GIVE THAT PIECE OF iNFORMATION. Therefore, I will not dare to add this to the cannon of scripture.
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In my circle, I wouldn't be credible, if I didn't see it.
If you have to see this movie to have "credibility" then you have NONE in your cirle
LOL. I like that, that's hard. I'd like to see more stuff like that on here, yo.
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My other scriptural reference is Joshua.
He sent spies into Jericho. He sent spies to search out the weakness of their enemies.
I think of this venture in the same way. Going into the enemy camp and seeking out it's weakness.
If Joshua used those tactics, It's good enough for me.
Well it ain't good enough for me, or Joshua, or God... cause you got it twisted, on the real.
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Jesus had meals with the publicans and the sinners. They may have even said something "wrong" or even blasphemous in Jesus presence. But Jesus only accused the Pharisees of blasphemy.
What? Is that all you got? Yo, that's weak. You might as well kept that to yourself. You can't PROVE the publicans were blasphemous in the Lord's presence! You must really be desperate, graspin ahold of anything to play devil's advocate...
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When our culture gets all excited about something such as this movie the da Vinci Code, then we are already in the LION"S DEN whether we want to be there or not. ( Get it! itty bitty! ) We can't just ignore something and pretend it don't affect anything and hope it will go away.
Naw, I don't get it. You mind walkin me through it? By ignoring the movie, it DOES go away... Christians show that they do not support it, they don't feed into it. What since do it make, to watch a blasphemous movie to evangelize, when all you need is the Gospel?
All you need is the Gospel...
Watching a blasphemous movie to evangelize make as much sense as watching a porno to evangelize.
"Oh, i was just trying to evangelize, i meant nothing wrong by it."
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Hardcore:
I guess we at least agree about this. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
Yes. I guess we do. And probably on far more than either of us realize.
I heard a discussion on this very subject on Christian talk radio today. Listening to both sides from a distance was a good thing. The opposition to my view made some very good points, as have some here. And I don't necessarily disagree with those points.
I listened with an open mind, and came to the conclusion that in this case, everything is definitely not black and white.
I think it's different for each of us. We are each at different places in our walk. We each have different levels of faith. We each have different levels of discernment. We each have a different group of people that we interact with regularly. Etc.
Because of this, I think that the Lord will lead some to read the book and/or see the movie, and others not.
I know my audience well (speaking specifically of non-believers in my immediate circle), and so does the Lord. An intelligent dialogue absolutely would not take place if I were to admit to not having read the book or seen the movie; whichever the case may be. They would tune me out pronto. Credibility gone. For someone else, it might not matter at all.
Some respond to fire and brimstone preaching and some don't. Some respond to tracts being passed out door to door, and some don't. Some respond to Billy Graham, and some don't. Same concept.
Having said that, I think that there are many Christians who have absolutely no business reading the book or seeing the movie. It could very well cause doubt and a crisis in faith. I have seen proof of that with someone I know. Satan gets a grand slam for every Christian that he fools.
Only rock solid believers need apply, and only if led.
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( Get it! itty bitty! )
![[Eek!]](eek.gif) That was a bit 'sharp,' don't ya think?
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My other scriptural reference is Joshua.
He sent spies into Jericho. He sent spies to search out the weakness of their enemies.
I think of this venture in the same way. Going into the enemy camp and seeking out it's weakness.
If Joshua used those tactics, It's good enough for me.
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Hardcore:
I guess we at least agree about this.
Jesus had meals with the publicans and the sinners. They may have even said something "wrong" or even blasphemous in Jesus presence. But Jesus only accused the Pharisees of blasphemy.
When our culture gets all excited about something such as this movie the da Vinci Code, then we are already in the LION"S DEN whether we want to be there or not. ( Get it! itty bitty! ) We can't just ignore something and pretend it don't affect anything and hope it will go away.
Christians did that in the 1970's and Abortion became a fixed national law of right. Up to the 9th month of pregnancy, because Christians were TOO GOOD TO DEAL WITH IT!
We're in the Lion's Den by living in this old World, honey.
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The author of the above article starts by saying:
"I cannot understand how anyone that calls himself a Christian could have any interest or fascination at all with Dan Brown’s The DaVinci Code."
Does he include himself in this group of Christians that he can't understand?
How did Mr. Yulish write this article without reading the book?
And why write the article if we're not supposed to have interest or fascination with it?
Did the author write the article because he didn't have interest?
How could he possibly write an accurate assessment of Dan Brown's claims unless he did?
How could any of the Christian authors who have written rebuttals of the DaVinci Code done so without reading it?
How could their rebuttals be taken seriously if they hadn't read the book?
If they haven't read the book, what is the basis for their rebuttal?
This author also said:
"First of all, one must realize that Brown and his supporters do not want the truth."
For some this may be true. But it is not true of all and is wrong to make such a blanket statement. Not all book readers and movie goers are die hard Brown supporters who "do not want the truth". Most of them are probably typical sheeple who have no idea what they really believe and are simply looking for good entertainment. They will be swayed by the story because it is well done.
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"I have been told that Dan Brown’s book The DaVinci Code is thus also."
I guess this brings home my point. Where is his credibility for writing this article if he hasn't read the book that he's writing about?
If one of my unsaved friends read this article, they would immediately toss it out as rubbish the minute they read this statement. You and I know he's right. But whether he's right or wrong doesn't matter to my unsaved reader. He loses all credibility the minute he admits he hasn't even read the book.
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The world looks at Christians and if we appear to be afraid of this movie, it will not be a good thing.
I sure did not say I was afraid of this movie. But I did say I don't think one (meaning a born-again follower of Jesus Christ) should give their money to go see it, KNOWING it is trash. This only supports the movie and shows non-believers that we don't care what people say about our Lord Jesus Christ, if we shall go see it any way. If you did go see it and get the the blastheming parts and don't get up and walk out, I would think something is wrong and the person should think on where they really know and love Jesus Christ. I know I would not go see something that talked badly about my wife.
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In my circle, I wouldn't be credible, if I didn't see it.
If you have to see this movie to have "credibility" then you have NONE in your cirle
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AVOID The DaVinci Code: IT IS ACCURSED
http://www.rapturealert.com/2006/050706avoiddavincicode.html
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I cannot understand how anyone that calls himself a Christian could have any interest or fascination at all with Dan Brown’s The DaVinci Code. The premise of the novel, and the movie as well, is that Jesus was not crucified, was not divine, married Mary Magdelene, had a child and moved to France.
Brethren, what exactly don’t you understand about this heresy? It is in such opposition to the Gospels that if it were not presented as fact instead of the fiction that it is, then it probably would have been written off as some obscure bad farce.
But the extreme popularity of the book, which is not surprising because it demeans Jesus (Col.2:8), has encouraged many Christians to say that they have to see the movie (and/or read the novel) so they can know what it says and thus be more effective in discussing it with unbelievers. Paul did say that we are “fools for Christ’s sake” (1Cor. 4:10), but I seriously do not believe he meant it in this way.
First of all, one must realize that Brown and his supporters do not want the truth. They may say that they do but, when it stands before them like Jesus before the Pharisees and the Sanhedrin (Luke 22:70), they do not see it at all.
They just want to latch onto something that shows that they do not have to give up their sinful lifestyles. And furthermore, one does not have to experience evil to know how to combat it. If that were the case, then one should watch pornography, have an abortion, and have a homosexual affair (or a heterosexual one for that matter) so that you can see where these sinners are coming from. I don’t think so! The Bible says to run from evil and temptation (1Thess. 5:22).
The Bible says that “the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing” (1Cor.1:18). They don’t want the truth. They just want secret “knowledge” or gnosis (1Tim.6:20-21). They want knowledge that Jesus was not God (1John 4:2-3) and that He is not the only way to the Father (John 3:16).
They want to believe in lost hidden gospels that will enable them to wallow in their own sins. The Bible calls that “always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth” (2 Tim.2:7).
They want the same heretical gnosis that Paul warned against 2000 years ago (1Cor.8:1). It is a secret knowledge that is prideful and false and does not recognize Jesus Christ as divine. If there were no crucifixion and Christ did not die for our sins then there is no hope for remission of sin.
This is a false Christ (Matthew 24:24), not the redeemer of the gospels. Also, Gnostics were, and still are in many cases, sexually erotic deviants. They see flesh as evil not spiritual and thus anything goes sexually. I have been told that Dan Brown’s book The DaVinci Code is thus also. Be careful!
Dan Brown disingenuously tries to convince the reader that the gospels were not brought together until the Council of Nicea in 325 AD by Constantine and that many were omitted.
He then presents as fact that Jesus was first made divine by this Council which is, of course, nonsense. The Muratorian Canon of 170 AD brought together most of the writings that we recognize today as the gospels and Jesus is clearly presented as divine in them as He was to the early ante-Nicene Fathers of the Church.
Brown does not want the truth but neither do his readers as I explained earlier. As the Prophet Isaiah said “all he does is open wide his mouth and sticks out his tongue, child of rebellion, offspring of deceit” (Isaiah 57:4).
Think about what he is saying when he erroneously purports as fact that Jesus was not crucified. That is exactly what Muhammad wrote in the Koran “they say in boast, ‘we have killed Christ, Isa, the son of Mary…but they killed him not, nor crucified him.” (Surah 4:157).
Can we as Christians really believe this? Of course we cannot, and if we do, than we are Muslims rather than Christians. And who was Muhammad referring to as killing Christ? It was the Jews of course. But even they write of the crucifixion of Jesus in their writings.
In the Rabbinic writings, the Oral law, The Talmud, it says three times:
“On the eve of the Passover, they hanged Jesus the Nazarene. And a herald went out before him for forty days saying ‘he is going to be stoned because he practiced sorcery and led Israel astray.
Anyone who knows anything about him let him come forward and plead on his behalf’. But no one did and they hanged him on the eve of Passover” (b. Sanhedrin 43a, t.Sanhedrin 10:11, y. Sanhedrin 7:16, 67a).
Also, the great medieval Jewish sage Moses Maimonides wrote in his book Mishneh Torah, that “Jesus of Nazareth who aspired to be the Messiah was executed by the court” (Sanhedrin). Thus the Jewish extra biblical commentary acknowledged that Jesus was crucified. Brown’s notion that he was not is more like the Koran than the Bible.
But the bottom line for Christians is what Paul wrote to the church at Corinth. “If Christ was not raised your faith is worthless and you are still in your sins” (1Cor.15:17). Christ was raised as first fruits of those asleep” (1Cor.15:20).
If Jesus was not crucified for your sins and resurrected from the dead on the third day, then you are still in your sins, there is no hope of eternal life, and Christianity is worthless.
Can you now see why I said that that The DaVinci Code should be anathema (accursed) to all Christians? If it is really fact, then you are no longer a child of God.
Again, I can see how an unbeliever would latch onto this book and movie as a rationalization for their sins, but why would a Christian? Paul wrote to the Church at Galatia “that when we believe, we are crucified with Christ and Christ now lives in us” (Galatians 2:20). He tells them that “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law because cursed is he who hangs on a tree” (Galatians 3:13).
Thus, no crucifixion, no redemption from the curse of the law, no Christ living in us, no Christianity. Can you not see what Dan Brown is trying to do? His motive and purpose is to discredit Christianity altogether.
The DaVinci Code along with The Gospel of Judas and The Jesus Papers are all trying to delegitimize Christianity.
These attacks of Satan are not like Harry Potter or Dungeons and Dragons or Satanism which are clearly demonic, but these purport to tell us the real story of Jesus. Paul warned us 2000 years ago not to “mistake myths and lies for the truth” (2Tim.4:4).
These lies and deceptions not only serve to keep those that are lost and perishing in their trespasses, but also cause believers to potentially fall into sin.
The bottom line is who cares about Brown’s secret societies and alleged suppressed Gnostic heresies. If Jesus was indeed not crucified and went on to marry Mary Magdalene and have a child and went to France, then we are all lost and perishing and our savior is no more.
But we know by faith and the true, eternal Word of God that Brown is wrong and Jesus came to this earth sent by the Father to die for our sins and that He was risen on the third day and sits at the right hand of the Father, who is not, by the way, living in France. Because Jesus did this, all of us who believe in Him shall not perish but will have eternal life (John 3:16).
What we all need to do when asked questions by unbelievers is to tell them what Christ has done in our life. He took a worthless, unrepentant sinner like me and washed me clean by his blood from Calvary. People who see me now know that I am a new man from what I was before. Tell them what Christ has done for you. It is up to God to save people, not us.
All that we are to do is tell them the good news and leave it to God. To those Christian friends who want to see this movie, tell them that the Bible says to run from evil (Proverbs 4:14-15). Tell them that if indeed Dan Brown is correct that Christ was not divine then they are no longer Christians but they are just lost sinners like everybody else.
We should remember that, as followers of a risen Christ, “we are children of God, being the children of the resurrection” (Luke 20:36).
If Jesus was not crucified and really married Mary Magdelene and had children, we all are dead in our trespasses. This is why The DaVinci Code is anathema, accursed, devoted to destruction (1 Cor.16:22) and should be avoided like the plague.
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If your faith is firmly rooted in Jesus Christ then the film or anything else that is happening today will not harm you and should not surprise you as it was predicted in Scripture.
Frankly, as one who spent many years in the movie theatre business, I can tell you the more you publically protest the film the more business it will do.
Very true!
The world looks at Christians and if we appear to be afraid of this movie, it will not be a good thing.
Go into the Lion's den...finally my brethern "Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might."
Eph. 6:10 and put on the whole armour of God.
Hold up, nobody is making you watch this movie... as i recall, Daniel was forced into that lion's den.
And being strong in the Lord might as well be resisting temptation, not yielding and watching some blasphemous film.
Look, I dont want people to make the the mistake I made, I saw some riddiculous movie called "Saved!", Dispite the warnings from Christians. And the movie just made me ANGRY, I thought EVIL thoughts about the cast, crew, and director.
People don't stand strong against something because they afraid of it, that's riddiculous... I don't think it appear that Christians is afraid, it's more like they just strongly disapprove.
And the whole armour of God is put on so people may be able to STAND AGAINST the wiles of the devil.
And armour ain't put on for folks to be ignorant of the devils devices.
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If your faith is firmly rooted in Jesus Christ then the film or anything else that is happening today will not harm you and should not surprise you as it was predicted in Scripture.
Frankly, as one who spent many years in the movie theatre business, I can tell you the more you publically protest the film the more business it will do.
Very true!
The world looks at Christians and if we appear to be afraid of this movie, it will not be a good thing.
Go into the Lion's den...finally my brethern "Be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might."
Eph. 6:10 and put on the whole armour of God.
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You can find more then enough information to know that the move it wrong. Going to it only shows people you support it.
People that see you going and know you claim to be a Christian will be confused.
I don't know why any one would want to get saved, just because you went to see a known ungodly movie.
I sure don't want to tell people I went and supported this trash. I am sure you can find better ways to witness to others then going to such movies that bad mouth our Lord Jesus Christ.
Do you have to commite adultery in order to witness to someone that has. I sure hope not. And I really don't think, knowing you claim to be a Christian they would expect you to do so. The world is watching us and they really want us to try and live a good life.
OH, well just my two cents....
I see your point and understand.
I already know the movie is wrong. What I don't know is what the author uses for evidence to base his fictional story about.
I saw the previews for this movie and It's extremely well produced and cleverly packaged. No money was spared by Hollywood to put this trash out. It's going to be a propaganda film for Satan and he got all the glitter and glitz to attract lots of people.
Many young people and old will go to see this movie because it COULD give them a reason not to have to believe the gospel any more and the unsaved naturally would want to be able to shun Christ and see Him as a plain man.
The Musical Jesus Christ Superstar back in the 1970's flirted with this same idea, (that Mary Magdalene and Jesus had an affair). This is not a new concept.
I can keep repeating to people that this is only a fictional story, but if they have decided to believe in the conspiracy theory regarding the Vatican, they will just fluff off anything I might say to witness. Most people already have a Bible, they just don't believe it. These people are looking for some reason NOT to believe in Jesus.
I'll tell anyone who is confused about me being a Christian and going to see this film, that I'm seeing it because, now that I've seen it, I really KNOW it's trash and a lie.
In my circle, I wouldn't be credible, if I didn't see it. People would just shrug their shoulders and think, "oh there's another Christian who is feeling intimadated by this movie."
We each should follow our conscience according to the Spirit on this.
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Frankly, as one who spent many years in the movie theatre business, I can tell you the more you publically protest the film the more business it will do.
Better to reach the masses with warnings publicly, than to do nothing and let them just walk ignorantly into the snare of the devil.
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If your faith is firmly rooted in Jesus Christ then the film or anything else that is happening today will not harm you and should not surprise you as it was predicted in Scripture.
Frankly, as one who spent many years in the movie theatre business, I can tell you the more you publically protest the film the more business it will do.
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Do you have to commite adultery in order to witness to someone that has. I sure hope not. And I really don't think, knowing you claim to be a Christian they would expect you to do so. The world is watching us and they really want us to try and live a good life.
Amen David, you are on point!
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You can find more then enough information to know that the move it wrong. Going to it only shows people you support it.
People that see you going and know you claim to be a Christian will be confused.
I don't know why any one would want to get saved, just because you went to see a known ungodly movie.
I sure don't want to tell people I went and supported this trash. I am sure you can find better ways to witness to others then going to such movies that bad mouth our Lord Jesus Christ.
Do you have to commite adultery in order to witness to someone that has. I sure hope not. And I really don't think, knowing you claim to be a Christian they would expect you to do so. The world is watching us and they really want us to try and live a good life.
OH, well just my two cents....
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The Gospel never changes, but we are to be all things to all people that God calls us to witness to.
What is "all things"? Can you define this for me?
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Thinking you have to go WATCH the movie to witness against it is fleshy worldly thinking, and seriously FLAWED.
I don't have to read the koran or goto a mosque to witness to muslums.
I don't have to try drugs to proclaim the truyh to a drug addict.
The problem is that we become so focused and bogged down with refutting lies of the world and satan, rather than proclaiming TRUTH.
We will be in a never ending battle if we try to learn all the lies and refute them.
Our call is
Make Disciples.
Proclaim The Gospel.
I know most are so busy being "bibically correct", (which can be the same thing as "politically correct",) that they strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.
If a missionary goes to Dafur, I believe they would probably need to learn the language and culture. Correct?
If a person does missions for drug addicts, you don't have to be a former drug addict, TRUE, but you had better be able to talk on their level.
If someone wants to witness to the rich and famous, one needs to also be able to talk their language.
The Gospel never changes, but we are to be all things to all people that God calls us to witness to.
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Thinking you have to go WATCH the movie to witness against it is fleshy worldly thinking, and seriously FLAWED.
I don't have to read the koran or goto a mosque to witness to muslums.
I don't have to try drugs to proclaim the truyh to a drug addict.
The problem is that we become so focused and bogged down with refutting lies of the world and satan, rather than proclaiming TRUTH.
We will be in a never ending battle if we try to learn all the lies and refute them.
Our call is
Make Disciples.
Proclaim The Gospel.
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I don't need to taste poison to no it will kill me!
I totally agree.
But when trying to reach others, the first thing they ask is have you read it or seen it for yourself. If I say no, I have no credibility with them to discuss it further.
I have to be able to say "here's what the book or movie says", and "here's what the bible says".
Good job! I didn't read the book for the same reason I don't want to see the movie, because it is trash. Right now though the movie will be the big issue as more people will be lazy and just watch the movie.
Besides reading the book might take me 8 hours and I can see this movie in 2 hours, less of my time, all the better.
Unfortunately, for some things in this world, to reach people one needs to get on their wavelength.
Jesus went to the people who were not allowed to go to the Temple due to their illness, or to their sin.
As Christians should we do any less?
I know an elderly Christian lady who was in her 80's that used to go the local jail and visit with young men and bring them mittens she knitted. She was kind of tough and abrasive, but she had a love on her that I'm sure reached those young men in jail. I'll wager some of them even made fun of her when she left. But I also believe that they never forgot her visits.
I believe God used her to reach those young men, and even if they perhaps didn't have a soft heart then, who knows what God will do?
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I believe we can find all the information we need about The Da Vinci Code without giving them our money to support more of this trash.
Keep the money, buy some tracts.
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If the $8.00 I pay to see this movie will allow me to talk to an unsaved person afterwards and earn their respect for going the mile to see it and give them my opinion personally and not some tract's opinion, and they accept Christ, $8.00 is a small price for that honor.
I've had bad experiences in the past when discussing an issue such as Evolution with unsaved people and trying to follow someone else's material. Much Christian material on Evolution doesn't even address the true teaching of current Evolutionary Theory and people will just laugh at a Christian who tries to witness to them on the falseness of Evolution when the
Christian is refutting something that Evolution doesn't even teach anymore.
I can see the same thing happening here if I take this tract or that tract, etc.
I'm a hands on person, I need to see and hear for myself.
I have no fear of the darkness that movie provokes. It's under my feet in Christ.
If Christians act like it's so dangerous, people will begin to give it even more credence.
I work with unsaved people who are already talking about this movie. They say that the Vatican really has these secret sects, so maybe parts of this movie are true. That's their take.
How can I even begin to address those issues unless I see the same movie?
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I don't need to taste poison to no it will kill me!
I totally agree.
But when trying to reach others, the first thing they ask is have you read it or seen it for yourself. If I say no, I have no credibility with them to discuss it further.
I have to be able to say "here's what the book or movie says", and "here's what the bible says".
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I feel I will need to see the movie myself, even though I didn't want to go. I feel I will need to see it, so I can rebut it from what it is actually trying to say, and not get it second hand from someone else.
We are to be salt and light. Sometimes we have to know what the world is saying so we can address their needs accurately and not make the matter worse by escalating things. So I will see the stupid movie. I want to know the extent of what is lie about.
I saw a trailer for the movie online. It looks as though it was well done. As with the book, it will attract many more into its lies.
I read the book for the same reason you mention here, but didn't have to pay for it. One of my friends gave me her daughter's copy after her daughter read it and loved it. She asked me to comment on it, but I couldn't honestly do so unless I read it myself. This was before all of the Christian rebuttals were available.
I understand what David says about not contributing our dollars and don't disagree; but I know for a fact that in the circle of unsaved people I travel in, they will immediately discard my views if I say I haven't seen it. I have the fact that I read the book to fall back on though.
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One of the most amazing claims of The Da Vinci Code is that Jesus married Mary Magdalene, and she then became the most important of the apostles. If this is true, then the New Testament cannot be trusted, and its entire inspiration is in question. Did you know that the New Testament clearly predicts what will happen at the end of this age? It says there will be earthquakes in different parts of the world, increased violence, nation rising against nation, wars, a breakdown of the institution of marriage, famines, increase in vegetarianism, outbreaks of disease, money-hungry preachers deceiving multitudes and slurring the name of Christianity, a general denial of a worldwide flood (despite the scientific evidence), and we are told that skeptics would say that these signs have always been around. Another major prediction made by the Bible is that the Jews would possess Jerusalem. They obtained it in 1967 after being without a homeland for 2,000 years, bringing into culmination all these 'signs' of the times. These fulfilled prophecies are undeniable. They prove, beyond doubt, that both the Old and New Testament are the inspired Word of God.1 Do you know what the message of the Bible is? It tells us that God is good by nature, and because of His goodness He will make sure that justice is eventually done. For example, there were more than 150,000 unsolved murders in the U.S. during the last 20 years — however, those unpunished murderers will receive justice by being sent to God's "prison" — a place called "Hell." But God is so good He will also punish rapists, thieves, liars, adulterers, blasphemers, and fornicators (those who have had sex before marriage). How will you do on Judgment Day? Ask yourself a few questions: Have you ever lied (even once) or stolen (regardless of value)? Have you ever used God’s name in vain, or had sexual thoughts about someone to whom you are not married? Have you ever hated someone? The shocking truth is that if you said yes to those questions, on Judgment Day God will see you as a lying thief . . . a blasphemer . . . an adulterer . . . and even a murderer. Jesus said, "Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart," and Scripture also says that if you hate someone, you are a murderer. This is the Bible’s warning — if God gives you justice on Judgment Day, you will end up in Hell. However, God is rich in mercy, and He made a way for you to be forgiven: "God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." Jesus suffered and died on the cross, taking the punishment for your sins. Then He rose from the dead and defeated death. If you repent and trust in Jesus, God will forgive you and grant you eternal life. Pray something like: "Dear God, please forgive my sins (name them). I turn from them and trust Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. In His name I pray. Amen." Then read the Bible daily and obey what you read (see John 14:21). If you choose to ignore the Bible's warning, and instead believe the fantasies of The Da Vinci Code, then be aware that you have joined the "Elvis is Alive!" crowd. You've included yourself in the ranks of the wide-eyed and faithful tabloid customers. The choice, however, is yours. It's your eternity. So think it through carefully. There's nothing more important than where you spend eternity. By the way, if you want to cash in on the $10,000 offer, go to www.TenThousandDollarOffer.com Thank you for reading this.
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In my area of the world, people are starting to get fired up about the release of the movie; The da Vinci Code". The book has been a best seller for a while and the movie is being released May 19th 2006.
We've discussed it here before, but I wish to start a different line of debate about the movie.
First off my husband did actually met a woman customer who informed him quite seriously that "she was a descendant of Jesus and Mary Magdalene". She is a retired college professor.
My husband was quite shocked to say the least, and this was before the movie was advertised to be released. So she evidently got this idea through reading the book.
People in the world seem to put a high degree of credence toward Leonardo da Vinci. The more formal education one gets, the more this seems to be the case. (In general,) not trying to paint everyone with the same brush here, as some people who aren't educated also seem to highly regard Leonardo da Vicni.
We know Satan wants to descredit our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ anyway he can. This book and movie are doorways to that end for those who are not Christians.
This book and movie are pure fiction. It's fiction, yet many people are entralled with this idea of a cover-up by the all powerful Vatican through the ages and believe it's certainly possible the Vatican could be covering up some "bad" thing about Jesus. The world is eager the believe this and wants to discredit Christ. This book and movie are ripe material for people to believe a "lie".
If Satan can get unsaved people to believe that Jesus was just a man, and one who has descendants through a secret marriage with Mary Magdalene, it opens all kinds of scenarios; like the college professor who truly believes she is a descendant of Jesus Christ through his supposed marriage to Mary magdalene.
If Satan can get the unsaved to doubt even more about Jesus' and His Gospel, the last days are not far away, indeed.
Talk about preaching a "different Christ" this is the ultimate, and people who are not saved and who love gossip and who are titilated by the thought of Jesus having a secret affair, and that the Gospels are a lie.
I feel I will need to see the movie myself, even though I didn't want to go. I feel I will need to see it, so I can rebut it from what it is actually trying to say, and not get it second hand from someone else.
We are to be salt and light. Sometimes we have to know what the world is saying so we can address their needs accurately and not make the matter worse by escalating things. So I will see the stupid movie. I want to know the extent of what is lie about.
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