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BORN AGAIN
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I love the little colored lights and the smell of a pine tree inside my home--so warm and cozy. ![[hug]](graemlins/hug.gif)
God bless, BORN AGAIN
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It's a great day when the Religous people are in agreement with the pagans and the ACLU that want to ban all public expressions of Christmas.
It's very ironic to say the least.
Perhaps Christmas has pagan roots, but it's the pagans ie ACLU types who wish to ban it.
Ask yourself why?
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Hi Betty,
I just read your newest posting and I completely agree with you. I cannot comprehend why they want to take God out of everything. There will come a day they will regret their actions and wish they could go back and change their actions. This PC thing goes way too far. God bless you very much, Betty!
With love from your friend,
Joanne
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Truth is the world sees the Christmas Tree as Religious. My son is on the phone with me now, complaing about this. Today he spent his lunch hours putting up a tree in his department that he bought and decorated. He got compliments all day until the boss came and told him to remove it because it is not PC.
This shows that the tree is seen by non-Christians as a Christian symbol.
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Yes Hardcore and I do think that this can be explained in a loving way that says this is what the Lord has convicted me of and I know that if HE wills you to be convicted as well that will happen in HIS time not mine.
In dealing with family, I think it is important to tell why we believe as we do. I do not have a problem with my mother in law knowing why we believe as we do; that does not mean that it is up to me to MAKE her believe as I do.
In thinking on how to deal with the celebrations of our families I am reminded of these scriptures:
1 Corinthians 8:1 ¶ Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.
3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.
4 ¶ As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
7 ¶ Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol’s temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
1 ¶ Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
3 ¶ Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel
To me this speaks to this very thing. Would I offend my mother in law and not go when invited to her home for Christmas dinner?
No! I would not. I would go to her home and I would not be offended and I would be gracious and not seek to offend, but I would neither be silent about what we believe.
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I thank you too Linda - for your honesty and your desire to honor our Lord in truth, above all else.
Tradition, regardless of the fact that it is not scriptural and is indeed steeped in paganism, still trumps the truth in many Christian households this time of year.
I don't get it, but I guess I probably struggle with things that other Christians don't. We're all at different places with regard to our obedience, convictions, understanding, etc.
Personally, I think it is a far stronger witness for a Christian to explain why they don't celebrate Christmas, than to explain why they do.
My family knows that we take our faith seriously and that Santa, trees, presents and carols do not represent our Lord in any way, shape, or form. (nor do bunnies, chicks, eggs and candy in the spring)
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Linda,
Thank you for your reply. I appreciate you telling me about your mother-in-law as well as your own children. I would be interested in hearing anyone else's story as well.
This will be the 2nd year that my husband and I don't celebrate Christmas. But I have kept the feasts (not all of them, I'm still growing in my knowledge) for several years.
(I have understood Sukkot to be a type of His second coming, rather than His first. So, I would love it if Yahsway would expound more on this.)
I'm afraid that I have offended my parents in this area, and that is the LAST thing that I wanted to do. But we made our decision based on wanting to separate the common from the holy.
Leviticus 10:10 and that ye may make a distinction between the holy and the common, and between the unclean and the clean;
I understand that those of us who have chosen to stop celebrating Christmas do it with pure intentions. And many of the Christians who do celebrate, also do it with pure intentions. And because of this, it can cause (at the least) hurt feelings.
May The Lord be with us all as we strive to keep our eyes on Him and walk out our salvation with fear and trembling. (Phil 2:12)
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Linda,
I can answer you question about the wrong day for the birthday. I had my daughter's birthday party on the wrong day one year by mistake.
But in our family we have our birthday cleberations on Sunday no matter what day you were born cause everyone can get together on Sunday. Personally I don't care when the celeberate my birth as long as they have cake and invite me. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
I honestly believe what is more important to Jesus is that we honor Him in our celeberations.
God bless you, Linda
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Linda
I must thank you. Your last post was an answered prayer. I have been praying alot about the whole Christmas thing.
Thank you
God bless
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I think that Drew began his post with an answer to this question Daughter Ann:
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I don't impose my beliefs on my family so we will have a tree, and open packages on Christmas morning. It is difficult to remove 50 years of tradition overnight. I hope and pray that one day I to can practice what is in my heart, that Christmas and Easter are pagan cloaked in the sacred, and that the truth is to be found in the Feast of Tabernacles when God tabernacled with man, and that Christ is our Passover Lamb, far removed from the Easter Bunny.
This is where we are in our house. This conviction is not an easy one to live with. I can tell you that personally speaking it has been for me in years past very difficult. I cringe at the tree coming into my home. I cannot be excited about it and yet my children love this time of year. In the beginning I struggled internally with this. Praise God for HIS mercy and grace because he has brought peace about this issue. I am today at peace because I know that my children know the truth and while they enjoy the traditions... the cookie baking and the family all together for a speacial meal and warm seasonal decorations in a home where mom really does not get into decorating etc.
It is the family time and tradition that they enjoy and value and they do not any longer hold that we do these things in HONOR of Christ's birth.
We do these things because we enjoy the time together and we know when Christ was born and it was not Dec 25th, and we know that Jesus never told us to memorialize HIS brith... we know that what Jesus said to do in remembrance of HIM is taught in Luke 22:19.
To me... for me, that is what this is about... it is about not participating in this thing that is of the world and calling it HOLY. Particpate if you like and to the level that you feel at liberty, but dont call it HOLY.
It is no more HOLY than the dinner you have with your family on February 24 or October 17... and it is as Holy as all that you do because all that we do, we do unto HIM. For me it is about being honest with ourselves about what it is that we are doing. We are doing something that is traditional. There is nothing wrong with traditional. You want to traditionally decorate your house and cook a trukey dinner any of the 365 days of the year... then do it and enjoy it, but dont say that you do it for the honor of HIS birth... you do it because you enjoy it and it is tradition.
Some have said here that "we celebrate our oiwn births". Well I have to wonder how honored you would feel if your friends and family came together every year and the whole town you lived in decided that they would ignore the time of your birth and celebrate your birthday on a completely different day? How odd would that be? Would you really feel honored or would you feel like well that is nice folks , but I was born on June 3rd and not December 18th!
If we want to do something for HIS honor... then we live as he lived, obey HIs commands, love God above all things and your neighbor as yourself. Go into the world and make disciples, preach the Gospel to every creature... it is in these things that we Honor God.
What has this looked like in our home? We have removed Santa completely. We have taught our children now (in the last 5 years or so) that this is not the time of Christ's birth and that the origins of Christ-Mass are pagan. We do give gifts to our children, but they are either Christ/Bible/ God related or they are things that are needed and we did not give earlier in the year. We do not desire to receive gifts ourselves. We do not buy gifts for each other. We do not participate in the "Holiday" merchandising madness... most of what we buy, we buy throughout the year and/ or we buy online. We don't have Christmas parties; We dont send Christmas gifts to others outside our immediate family. We use the several hundred dollars that we used to spend on Christmas on ourselves each year and we give more to others of things that are needed throughout the year or we pay a bill for someone who is out of a job or something like this.
But we still have one child at home and she loves the season and the lights and the tree and the Poinsettias and the pine boughs and we still have a tree. I can tell you that there will probably be a tree in our home this year and next, if God allows and Christ tarries, but my husband and I have no desire for a tree and we will not likely have one after she is off to college.
Some I know still gather with their families in their family's homes for Christmas dinner. I am not about to impose my convictions on my mother in law who has celebrated Christmas in her home for 30 years. And I am not about to offend her either because I dont want to celebrate Christmas. I know that there are some here who handle this this way.
When our last child has left home, if they want a tree in their home I will go there if they like, for a holiday meal together, or I will still cook a turkey dinner here if they want to come, but there will not likely be a tree. The presents I buy will likely be something that contributes to their Christian walk or growth in grace.
It is not so much about what we do or do not do on December 25th or any other day for that matter... it is about the truth that we spread regarding Chirst and the scriptures.
The truth is that the origins of Christmas are pagan through and through. The truth is that the gluttony and frivolity and commercialism of Christmas done in HIS name probably makes HIM ill and is in no way illustrated in scripture. The truth is that Christ was not born on December 25th. The truth is that we are not anywhere in scripture taught to celebrate or remember HIS birth, but HIS covenant cup and the bread. The truth is that it is very sad that most Christian children can tell you all about Christmas and have never heard of the appointed times of God in the scriptures and the feasts and the fasts that God gave to HIS people in the OT and that they are all prophesy of Christ and are being fulfilled by Christ each of them in HIS appointed time.
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Sorry dear, you know it is like this, when a puppy gets kicked enough times, he forgets who did which bruise.
But I love you Sis, and I will leave you in peace not to celeberate Christmas and I am sure you in Christian love will allow me to celeberate Jesus' birth in peace also.
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TG, You need to re-read becauseHelives post. He is the one that posted that, NOT me. Love ya!
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yahsway,
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Yeshua declares "few will be saved"
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these statments did indeed make me see that you see yourself as better than others but not only that, but you question how someone can be saved and celeberate Jesus' birth.
If I had question your faith because you refuse to celeberate and keep Jesus in Christmas, you would have been offended and rightfully so.
So, yes, I am offended and hurt.
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TG, I hope you read my post. I in no way feel superior or better than anyone. And I have never questioned anyones salvation. To me (Christmas) it is not a salvation issue. And I sure do not put myself on some "pedestal". In fact, I believe I told you in an earlier post that I hoped you and yours Christmas would be a blessed one.
I celebrated His birth at Succot(Oct.) with 300 people for 10 days. Worshipping, singing, praying, fellowshipping. I feel sure you see nothing wrong with this?
As I have said before, each one must be convinced in their own mind. I just told you what convinced me. Thanks for listening. I love you TG! Shalom dear Sister
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DaughterAnn, I grew up celebrating Christmas, the only difference was my Dad would not let us have a Christmas Tree because he said it had its origons in pagan worship.
But we still had the big dinners, opening of presents, singing of Christmas songs, ect..
Christmas for me was about how much money I had to spend to get those I loved a little something and it was also about what I was going to get for Christmas. Yes, we spoke of it being Jesus's birthday, but mostly it was all about the tree and the gifts, the parties, Santa and just warm and fuzzy feelings and I loved it! We always said that Jesus was the reason for the season but for me personally, what I saw and practiced was far from putting Jesus firstat this time of year.
Then as I grew older, And had my own family, I finally could have a Christmas Tree. My children grew up the same as mine, with all the stuff that goes along with celebrating Christmas.
Then I started to do my own study about the Christmas Tree, what real purpose did it serve? Why do we decorate a tree once a year? and so on.
I was amazed at what I found out. Then I studied on what time of year Jesus was born. I know we do not know the exact time, but if the Feast of the Lord are foreshadows of Christ, it made sense to me that He was born at the time of Tabernacles/Feast of Succot. He did come and tabernacled among men which He will do again. This was the foreshadow, not unlike Passover where He is our passover Lamb. These feasts were practiced every year by the Israelits as they were commanded to. It was a foreshadow of Him/Jesus.
Now, our family celebrates His birth at Succot time. We sing all the traditional songs and celebrate His birth as well as our new birth in Him.
I get a lot of flack from Christians for celebrating His birth at that time of year.They say that the "Feasts" are done away with. So I tell them that God said they were to be perpetual/forever. But then I ask them, has Chrismas not also been done away with? What I mean is He already was born, lived on earth, and died, and was resurrected. You are just celebrating His birth, right? So I decide to celebrate His birth from what I percieve as actually being the time of His birth. These feasts of God were not given for nothing. They were foreshadows of Him/Jesus. Dec 25th was, for many years before Jesus's birth, pagan gods birthdays. Constantine found a way to bring the masses togethere to celebrate on that day.
Now i do not know if his intentions were good or not. I only know that mixing of different religons if you will does not set well with the Father. But I do not believe that it is a sin for someone to celebrate His Birth, even on Dec 25. Here is my reasoning behind this.
Lets say that my birthday was yesterday, but my son brings gifts to me today and has a party for me today. Do I berate and belittle him because he missed my actual birthday? NO. I love him and he loves me enough to honor me with a celebration.
God says in His word that when He returns, He will teach us His ways. You see, none of us really knows all His ways yet. But we will when He returns.
But know this. Christmas was mixed with pagan rituals and so its no surprise that saying Happy Holidays is in question. I know so many unsaved people who celebrate and love this time of year, but Christ is not even a part of it.
Most people dont question why we do the things we do (Traditions) Its simply traditions passed down thru the ages. And some families add their own traditions.
And I might add, that for some people, including myself, traditions can be very hard to break if we are called from our heart to break them. Shalom
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Christmas was given to Christians, Yes, it has some pagan influences but it started out as a celebration to God of the wonderful gift that He gave us, (His Son) To imply that Christians are not right with God if they celebrate His Birth is not right.
It has been said here last year that our calendar has pagan influences but I dare say that every one of you uses a Calendar. I dare say that many of our day to day life chores are influenced by pagan history. I don’t see that as wrong. Mankind many times learns from each other and is possible to take some good things from others and form them into your life with out becoming apart of the bad thing. Even what we eat, we have adapted from recipes from other cultures.
The truth is many Churches celebrate Christmas and have for hundreds of years. It is a time when not only Christians draw closer to God, but there are many who only come to Church on Christmas, which Churches seek to reach out to. I have no issues with those who don’t celebrate Christmas, but I refuse to allow others contemn us who do make a special effort to keep Jesus in Christmas. If all Christians were to bow out of Christmas then it would indeed become Santa Day. I will fight with all I can to make Christmas about Jesus. I will remind everyone that says “Happy Holiday, which Christmas is about Jesus.
There is nothing wrong with having different opinions about Christmas, the problem is when people put themselves on a pedestal because they don’t celebrate Christmas. Just remember when you are sitting high and above the rest of us, that Muslims don’t celebrate Christmas either.
Paul says not to allow others condemn you over celebrations of days. I think it is a hypocrite, who cannot give a day of celebration of Jesus’ birth by celebrates their own birthday or families. At least the Jehovah Witness are honest about it and celebrates no birthdays. Not that I want to be a part of that group. All over the world Churches or celebrating the gift of Jesus birth and yet a few people who think they know more than the rest of us, or at least they think they do, seek to destroy Christmas for all Christians.
Personally, I lost respect for these few, when it was said that many are called and few are saved. To question another Christian’s salvation just because they honor their Savior by celebrating His birth is wrong and God will hold you accountable.
Betty
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I can not tell you to celebrate are not celebrate. Unlike others, I do not feel that it is my responsibility to tell you how to celebrate our Savior’s birth. But, I will tell you that if you choose to celebrate Jesus’ birth, you will be in a great number of Christians from around the world, who take time and effort to celebrate Jesus and His precious gift to us.
But, let me wish you a Merry Christmas, taking in mind that Merry means blessed.
Have a Blessed Christmas!!!!
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I have a question for those of you who dont celebrate christmas.
How do you deal with your families? I would assume that most of you grew up celebrating christmas. And I also assume that most of your families still do celebrate. So, how did you tell them that you would no longer celebrate? How do they take it, even now?
What conflict has it caused in your families (if any), and how do you deal with that conflict?
Thanks for your response. I know this is a touchy subject.
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becauseHelives,
I agree with most all of your posts. My intention was to show that even Hannukah was a celebration that man had ordained. Yes its true its origons are not paganistic, but it is not one of the 7 Feasts of the Lord that were to be perpetual/forever and was not a direct command from God to celebrate it. It also is a Tradition of men if you will. Shalom
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Betty, the record of Yeshua's birth and the wise men seeking Him out, serve to more convince the honest truth seeker that December the 25th can not possible be the time of Yeshua's earthly visit a a baby. (the shepards can't tend the flocks in the fields in Bethelehem in December, now or then!)
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Doesnt it say somewhere in the Bible that if you do something to glorify God, its pleasing to him?
You can't disobey Yahweh's Word, justify joining pagan holy days and call it worship. Yahweh disires obedience not sacrifice.
(It did not work for Israel, and it want work for anyone today.
Scriptural Support Against Celebrating Christmas -- Unacceptable Worship
A. 2 Chron. 33:15-17 -- The Israelites had kept the old pagan form (the high places of Baal), but had merely introduced the worship of God into that form -- a refusal to let go of pagan worship forms (i.e., God was to be worshiped in the Temple, not on the high places). This was unacceptable worship because the right object of worship was mixed with wrong forms of worship; i.e., the mixing of godly worship with ungodly form. Likewise, is not the celebration of Christmas the taking of a celebration established by pagans and for pagans, and then introducing the worship of Christ into that pagan form?
B. Deut. 12:29-32 -- God warned His people Israel to destroy all vestiges of pagan worship that they found in the "Promised Land." Not only did God want to prevent His people from being enticed to worship false gods, but He also specifically revealed that He did not want His people to worship Him in the same manner in which the heathen worshiped their gods. We know, therefore, that our Lord is displeased by practices which profess to honor Him, but which are copied from the tradition of false religions. The command here was to worship God only in His way, i.e., do only what God commands -- not adding to God's commands nor taking away from them. Therefore, is not "putting Christ back into Christmas," worshiping "the Lord your God their way"? Is there any command in the Bible to give special reverence to the Scriptural account of Christ's birth more so than to any other Scripture, let alone even a suggestion to celebrate or commemorate His birth in any way whatsoever? God never intended for His people to be imitators of the pagan customs of the world, but has called us to be separate and set apart.
C. Lev. 10:1,2 -- Nadab and Abihu offered strange fire to the Lord. Is not the celebration of Christmas, with all its pagan symbols and forms, a "strange fire" unto the Lord, and is not this form of worship contrary to what God commands?
D. 1 Sam. 15:1-3, 7-9, 21-23 -- Saul disobeyed God's prophet in order to worship God in his way. Is not the celebration of Christmas one of man's ways of worshiping Christ? There is certainly no Biblical command to offer worship in this manner.
E. 2 Sam. 6:2-7 -- David attempts to transport the ark on a "new cart" instead of using the rings and poles as the Law required (Exo. 25:12-15). Additionally, the "transporters" of the ark were not even authorized to carry it (1 Chron. 15:2, 13-15); i.e., the ark was not only transported in the wrong way, but was transported by the wrong people! Is not the celebration of Christmas the wrong way (pagan forms and tradition) with the wrong people (the heathen of the world join right in with the professing Christians)?
F. 1 Ki. 12:26-33 -- In order to unify the northern ten tribes of Israel, ungodly King Jeroboam set up pagan idols, not in place of God, but as new focal points for directing worship to God. He even instituted a new festival on a new day; i.e., a new religious holiday of his own choosing. Even though the true God of Israel was still to be the object of worship in the new religious holiday, both the holiday and the worship were not authorized by God nor accepted by Him (1 Ki. 13:1-3; 15:29,30). Why? Because the concocted mixture of error with truth constituted false religion! Likewise, is not the celebration of Christmas a religious holiday of man's own choosing, replete with pagan symbols and forms, all under the guise (by sincere Christians at least) of worshiping the one true God and Savior? But does not this worship form and system still constitute false religion, and thereby, make it unacceptable to God? And besides, where in the Bible do Christians have the right to add a new holy day to the so-called Christian calendar, any more than King Jeroboam had the right to add a new holy day to God's theocratic calendar?
G. 1 Cor. 8:4-13; Rom. 14:1-13; 1 Cor. 10:14, 18-21 -- These passages concerning Christian liberty are discussed in more detail under Roman numeral IV. [Christian liberty can best be defined Biblically as "the freedom to engage in practices not prohibited by the Scriptures or denying oneself what is permitted (i.e., a moral choice of self-discipline) in order to be a more effective witness for God." So the question must first be answered, "Is Christmas permitted?"] Briefly, some claim that Paul is teaching that the participation in pagan forms condemns no one, and therefore, participation in Christmas and its forms, even though arising out of pagan idolatry, is inconsequential. However, Paul nowhere approves participation in acts of idolatry, of which the participation in the pagan forms of Christmas comes dangerously close to doing. Instead, Paul is speaking of the liberty to continue in Jewish days of worship/festival that had been previously ordained under the Jewish law. There is certainly no liberty to bring outside pagan forms into the church's worship services. Likewise, there is no liberty to Christianize Babylonian/Roman pagan holy days as special days.
Christians in the first century churches had the liberty to observe Old Testament holy days and feasts (days that had previously been revealed by God) if they were so immature as to do so. The weaker brother, Paul wrote, was at that time not to be censured for continuing to attach some importance to the Old Testament holy days, as a clear knowledge of their abolition in Christ was not yet given to him (the weaker brother). But to observe a pagan holy day is something this passage does not sanction. They certainly did not have the liberty to regard Babylonian/Roman pagan holy days (days that were invented by the devil) as special days. Again, that would have been idolatry, worldliness, and perhaps even a form of Satan worship on their part. Therefore, how can the observance of Christmas Day, or any other Babylonian/Roman Catholic holy day, be a matter of Christian liberty?
Yet when some of us refuse to regard the pagan holy days as special days, we are the ones often referred to as the "weaker brother" in this matter! Are we opposed to such days because we are "weak in faith"? Faith would be defined as believing what the Word of God says about a matter and acting upon it. It was by faith that we stopped regarding pagan holy days as special days. Would we be more mature Christians if we would start regarding such days again? It would certainly be much easier on our families and us.
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Doesnt it say somewhere in the Bible that if you do something to glorify God, its pleasing to him?
WHO cares what the pagans did? So what if they burned candles and chanted? I m not doing it, I m celebrated the birth of my Lord and Savior. So what if its the wrong day.
I agree with some of you, DOWN WITH THE SCROOGES!!!!! LOL.
Its not like you are worshipping the lights, the tree, or Santa.
If you dont want to celebrate it, then dont. But dont tell me how I m wrong and I need to know the "true" pagan activities, etc etc.
The pagans probably wrote in books too but that doesnt mean I shouldnt read books. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
And before someone gets upset, no I m not mad or flaming anyone.
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First Christmas celeberation:
Wise Men from the East
2Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, 2 saying, "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen His star in the East and have come to worship Him."
3 When Herod the king heard this, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. 4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he inquired of them where the Christ was to be born.
5 So they said to him, "In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written by the prophet:
6 'But you, Bethlehem, in the land of Judah,
Are not the least among the rulers of Judah;
For out of you shall come a Ruler
Who will shepherd My people Israel.'"*
7 Then Herod, when he had secretly called the wise men, determined from them what time the star appeared. 8 And he sent them to Bethlehem and said, "Go and search carefully for the young Child, and when you have found Him, bring back word to me, that I may come and worship Him also."
9 When they heard the king, they departed; and behold, the star which they had seen in the East went before them, till it came and stood over where the young Child was. 10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceedingly great joy. 11 And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
12 Then, being divinely warned in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed for their own country another way.
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BOTH Christmas and Hannukkah are man-made traditions
Hannukka is found in Scripture and I am still waiting for a source for Crist-mass found in Scripture Bettie or Grandmajo are anyone else that practices Christ-mass
Jesus "Yeshua" Jhn 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
Hanukkah
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Ha·nuk·kah or Ha·nu·kah also Cha·nu·kah (KHä'nə-kə, hä'-)
n. Judaism.
An eight-day festival beginning on the 25th day of Kislev, commemorating the victory in 165 B.C. of the Maccabees over Antiochus Epiphanes (c. 215–164 B.C.) and the rededication of the Temple at Jerusalem. Also called Feast of Dedication, Feast of Lights.
[Hebrew ḥănukkâ, dedication, from ḥānak, to train, dedicate.]
http://www.answers.com/topic/hanukkah
I have said it before and I will say it again. "once saved always saved" is the most damnable doctrine as believed by most of the Church???
2Th 2:7-12
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Some love their tradition more than the truth,
to stand for truth will always cost you something (family, friends, position, comfort)
Mar 8:35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes [shall be] they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
to not stand for truth will aso cost you something (it will cost you Eternal Life)
read the scriptures in Ezekiel 33 closely, prayerfully maybe your eyes will be open beore it is to late
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Hi Betty,
The lighting of the Advent Candle at your church service would be beautiful and so very enjoyable. As we approach December we can do so with full blessed assurance that we are celebrating Jesus's birthday which is the total reason we celebrate Christmas. We do so in honor of Jesus's birth and I know that God is very pleased that we honor Jesus's birth! We will continue to honor Jesus's birth! God bless you very much every day, Betty!
With love from your friend,
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Thank you GramaJo.
I know I really enjoyied the lighting of the Advent Candle this morning in Church. I have decided to ignore those who insist on leaving Christmas to the secular people and keep Jesus as the reason for the season.
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Hi Betty,
You know and I know that we celebrate Jesus Christ's birthday and Jesus Christ is the center and focus of our celebrating Christmas. We even bake a birthday cake which has Happy Birthday Jesus written on it and we sing Happy Birthday to Jesus Christ! For those of us who celebrate Jesus Christ's birth that is our right to do so and in doing so does not make us any less a christian or have any less faith whatsoever! So to you I say even though it's early yet "Merry Christmas", you and your family have a very blessed wonderful Christmas and Jesus is with you 24/7! To Jesus Christ I say Happy Birthday and to you we give you all the praise, love, glory, thanks forever! God bless you very much, Betty!
With love from your friend,
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I give up. I leave this place to those who would strip everything Holy from Christmas.
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TG, BOTH Christmas and Hannukkah are man-made traditions. Men made them Holy days, not God.
The Feasts or festivals of the Lord are Holy days for only He can call something truly Holy.
To say Happy Holidays is to say Happy Holy Days
And To say Merry Christmas is to say Merry Death of Christ.
Even people who practice witchcraft call this time of year Holy Days for they keep Yule as a Holy Day, Dec 25th, worshipping the Winter Soltice. You see, there is truly nothing new under the sun.
Most all the secular, non-religous people will wish you Happy Holidays, while Christians will wish you a Merry Christmas. But like I said before, Christmas has always been celebrated by both groups of peoples. And we do live in a country that is referred to as "the melting pot" of the world. A mixed and mingled peoples. Bringing with them their own traditions.
Did you know that the Puritans banned any form of practicing Christmas here in the US? Massachusettes was one of the states that banned it in its early infancy of becoming a part of these United States.
Judaisim has practiced Hannukah for eons(even in Jesus's day) But it is still a man-made tradition. The Romans(during Jesus's day, celebrated the birth of Mithra/Dec 25th) which again is a man-made tradition) The Greeks celebrated Yule/Dec 25th, during Jesus's day, which was a celebration of the Winter Soltice, again, a man-made tradition, and finally Constantine found a way to bring all faiths togethere to worship on that day and He called it Christmas. So all the masses of the mixed and mingled peoples could set that day aside to celebrate the Birth of Christ, The Mother of/and Mithra, and The worship of the Sun during the Winter Soltice. He (Constantine) set out to Please the Masses, not to Please the Holy One of Israel.
So now after all these years, we sit and wonder why Christmas is under attack from the secular world. Its because it has always been part of the secular world. Aaron tried to mix worship of the Lord with worship of the golden calf and needless to say that did not go over well with Yahweh.
Wreaths, trees, mistletoes were all part of Greek pagan rituals long before the birth of Christ, and yet we mixed that in with the Worship of Jesus during Christmas. The lights we use at Christmas time probably came from the Hannukah tradition as its known as the Festival of Lights. So we borrowed some of their tradition. Mithra was killed by a bull but was later resurrected by His mother and then married her and his birthday was always believed to be Dec 25th (Roman practice) So we get the Mother and Child, another tradition borrowed. And it all stems from the Catholic Church.
Santa came in much later. Tradition says he was a Catholic named Nicholas and later was announced a Saint by the Catholic Church so now we have St. Nick. And we mixed him in with the birth of Christ. Another man-made tradition.
I know that many peoples hearts are in the right place, and celebrate Christmas with much prayer and giving. But I am not at all surprised to see the secular world take it over. It was never blessed and sanctified and made Holy by God in the first place.
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So now, we are condemed for saying Merry Christmas. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
http://www.christmaslore.com/why_do_we_say_merry_christmas.html
Why do we say Merry Christmas?
Merry Christmas versus happy Christmas
“Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year” are words commonly heard during the holiday season and are often printed on Christmas cards and gift wrapping. Have you ever wondered why Merry Christmas, rather than Happy Christmas is used as a Christmas greeting?
Laura Legend investigates the terminology “Merry Christmas”…
Merry Christmas is a common phrase exchanged amongst Christians during the holidays. However, religions that have celebrations around Christmas time, like the Jewish Hanukkah, are more inclined to say “Happy Holidays” rather than “Merry Christmas”.
The term Christmas is a translation of the Old English version – Cristes Maesse which is the Mass of Christ.
Under modern day definitions of the word “merry” means gay, cheerful or festive. However, when the saying Merry Christmas first came about, the widely accepted meaning of the word was peaceful or blessed. Thus, wishing someone a Merry Christmas is truly wishing them a blessed or peaceful Mass of Christ.
Christmas, under that definition, is a Christian holiday set aside to celebrate the birth of Christ, the son of God and the savior. The Jewish faith does not view Jesus Christ as the son of God. The believe a savior is coming, the Messiah, but do not grasp the belief that Christ was the Messiah, thus they don’t celebrate Christmas as the Christians do.
Did you know?Christianity and Judaism are the most similar religions in existence as both hold that the Old Testament is the authoritative word of God; however, the New Testament is not accepted in Judaism.
Rather, they celebrate Hanukkah which some people call the Jewish Christmas although it is not similar to Christmas celebrations except that it falls into the holiday season. Hanukkah is a celebration of the rededication of the temple at Jerusalem and gaining of religious freedom to practice Judaism after a long-term occupation of the city.
Thus, while Christians bid you Merry Christmas, those of the Judaism faith will wish you Happy Holidays.
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I'm with you on this one Texas Grandma!
You bunch o' grinches! And Scrooges!
Joy to the World, our God has Come, let earth receive her King!
Let every heart declare Him room and Heaven and nature sing.
Bless and have a Merry Christmas!
Between religious critcs and the ACLU, you guys will Ban Christmas yet.
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I'm with you on this one Texas Grandma!
You bunch o' grinches! And Scrooges!
Joy to the World, our God has Come, let earth receive her King!
Let every heart declare Him room and Heaven and nature sing.
Bless and have a Merry Christmas!
Between religious critcs and the ACLU, you guys will Ban Christmas yet.
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If you are an honest, sincere and discerning Christian, please read
The True Meaning Of Christ-Mass
They tell us that it is the season to be jolly. It is a time of ornaments, red and green decorations, silver bells, holly, mistletoe and colored lights. It is also a time of department store Santas calling out their universal mantra, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas." Nearly all of the realm of so-called "Christianity" join in and repeat this same greeting, "Merry Christmas!"
Although we hear these words constantly as they resonate millions of times throughout the land, almost nobody understands what they are really saying. It is the purpose of this tract to take the words, "Merry Christmas" and examine the true meaning and essence of those words.
A true Christian would want to examine everything they say, because Jesus said in Matthew 12:36-37, "But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgement. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." We will now set aside all of the customs, glitter and traditions of Christmas, which were taken from pagan witchcraft and popularized by the Roman Catholic Church, and we will focus on the true meaning of the words, "Merry Christmas!"
The word "Merry" is simple to define. It unquestionably means to be happy, joyful and light-hearted. The word "merry" fits into the ambience of laughter and frivolity. This word "merry" by itself is innocent and innocuous enough, but as we will now see, it becomes heinously blasphemous when used with the word "Christmas."
Here let it be noted that most people think that the word, "Christmas" means "the birth of Christ." By definition, it means "death of Christ", and I will prove it by using the World Book Encyclopedia, the Catholic Encyclopedia, and a book entitled, The Mass In Slow Motion.
If you are an honest, sincere and discerning Christian, please read on; if not, you might as well stop right here. The World Book Encyclopedia defines "Christmas" as follows: "The word Christmas comes from "Cristes Maesse", an early English phrase that means "Mass of Christ." (1) It is interesting to note that the word "Mass", as used by the Roman Catholics, has traditionally been rejected by the so-called Protestants, such as Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Pentecostals and so on. The word "Mass" is strictly a Catholic word and thus, so is "Christ-Mass."
It would stand to reason, that since all of these denominations love and embrace "Christ-Mass", that December 25th is the great homecoming day, when all of the Protestants become Catholic for a day. It would seem that all of the so-called "wayward daughters" of the Romish church return to their mother, the scarlet harlot. Thus, all of the so-called Protestant churches could sing to the Pope that popular song "I'll be home for Christmas."
As previously stated, the word "Mass" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice." The impact of this fact is horrifying and shocking; for when the millions of people are saying, "Merry Christmas", they are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!" Furthermore, when the fat man in the red suit laughs boisterously and says, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas", he is mocking and laughing at the suffering and bleeding Saviour, who died for our sins. He does this while parents place their little children into his waiting arms to hear his false promises of gifts that he says he will give them. Consider what you are saying when you say "Merry Christmas."
What is so amusing about our Saviour's painful death? What is so funny? Why is Santa laughing? Why are you going along with it? Your words do count and Satan knows it. Yes, the word "Mass" does mean "death sacrifice", and to cement that fact, we will consider the definition of the inventors of the religious application of the word "Mass." I am looking at page 537 of the Catholic Encyclopedia, which says, "In the Christian law, the supreme sacrifice is that of the Mass." It goes on to say, "The supreme act of worship consists essentially in an offering of a worthy victim to God, the offering made by a proper person, as a priest, the destruction of the victim." (2) Please note carefully the word, "victim" of the Mass. The Latin word for victim is "Hostia" from which the word "host" is derived. The Mass, by definition of those who coined the word, is a sacrifice involving a victim. There is no other meaning for the word "Mass" or "Christ-Mass." On page 110 of a book entitled "The Mass In Slow Motion", we find the following words: "It is only with the consecration that the sacrifice of the Mass is achieved. I have represented the Mass to you, more than once, as a kind of ritual dance." (3)
In essence, the Mass is the ceremonial slaying of Jesus Christ over and over again, followed by the eating of his flesh and the drinking of his blood. The Mass is the death sacrifice, and the "Host" is the victim. This is official Roman Catholic doctrine, and "Christmas" is a word that they invented. Again, I ask, what is so merry about the pain, bleeding, suffering and death of Jesus Christ? Satan has done quite a job of getting millions of so-called "Christians" to blaspheme. What a deceiver he is.
Now you know the true meaning of the word "Christmas" or Mass of Christ. There is much more to know about this pagan holiday, and we will be glad to provide you with plenty of evidence that Jesus was not born on December 25th, and that Christmas is not only a lie, but is actually a witches' sabbat called "Yule" in clever disguise. Please contact us at the address below, and for the sake of your soul, flee from idolatry!
David J. Meyer
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Acknowledgements:
01. World Book Encyclopedia, vol.3, p. 408, 1986 ed., World Book Inc., Chicago, IL
02. The Catholic Encyclopedia, R.C. Broderick, 1975 ed., Nihil Obstat, Richard J. Sklba, Censor Librorum. Imprimatur, Archbishop William E. Cousins, Milwaukee, WI.
03. The Mass In Slow Motion, Ronald Knox, 1948, Sheed & Ward, Inc., New York, NY. Nihil Obstat, E.C. Messenger, Censor Deputatus. Imprimatur, E. Morrogh Bernard, Vic. Gen.
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TG, nice try, but that is just a tradiitonal tale. The candy cane was around some 350 years ago, long before there was even an Indiana.
The first candy canes were white, sugar sticks. On Christmas cards printed before the 19th century, these canes were all white. It wasnt until around 1950 that the red color was put in them.
And then sometime after that the "legend" of the Christmas cane came into being. But this was never the origional intent of the invention of the Candy Cane. Just another tradition, howbeit a nice and heartwarming one at that.
It never had its origion in the Birth of Jesus.
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Betty, I think the word Christ-mass or Christmas means Christ Death. Although it is a tradition of celebrating His Birth, why is it called Christ Mass? "santamas" hmm I have no problem with Santas death during this time of year. He draws too much attention away from the "reason for the season/Jesus"
I celebrate His birth every year at Succot(Feast of Tabernacles)He came and tabernacled among men.We sing the traditional songs such as Silent Night, ect.. but we celebrate His birth at a different time of year.
I respect everyones right to celebrate Christmas on Dec 25. It is both a secular as well as religous holiday and has always been both religous and secular. It would be nice if Christmas wasn't mixed with worldly stuff, but ever since I can remember there has always been a santa claus, rieendeer, frosty the snow man, wreaths and mistle toe, candy canes and many other numerous things that have nothing to do with the Birth of Jesus, but are mixed right in there with Him and we call it Christmas.
Christmas is a time when people of all walks of life make their own family traditions of how to celebrate it. May your Christmas be a blessed one for you and your family.
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just a thought. Who keeps Christmas from being called "santamas"? Christians who keep reminding people over and over that Jesus is the reason for the season. For every Christian that does not celeberate Christmas, there is one less person who keeps Christmas about Jesus.
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I hope not. Last year, I was made to feel very uncomfortable this time of year around here for celeberating Christmas. I do not plan to go through that again. Christmas is a wonderful and happy time for my family. I love Christmas because it is a time that even the world starts to think about Jesus and His birth.
I will stay away from this site at this time of year, if I have to. But, I will not give up honoring my Lord and Savior and His birth.
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Please know that None of us (Hardcore, Drew, or myself) are in Any Way condemning you or anyone else who celebrates Christmas. It's just that we've done the research and this is the conviction that's been placed on "Our" hearts. It's our own conviction (individually) and not a conviction of anyone else (did that make sense?). Even though we share the info we've found so others can see what we see, that in No Way means we're condemning you or anyone else ![[Frown]](frown.gif) I would Never do that! (Neither would Drew or Hardcore - I feel certain that I can speak on their behalf on this issue ![[Smile]](smile.gif) )
Sis, I think you know us better then that
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I do not consider honoring Jesus' birth as baggage.
I do not condem anyone for not honoring Jesus' birth but I do resent others condeming me for doing so.
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God bless your stand for the truth, Sister Hardcore.
Not many will receive it.
It is difficult to shake-off the traditions invented by man, and to seek the truth of God, devoid of baggage.
...It is difficult to remove 50 years of tradition overnight. I hope and pray that one day I to can practice what is in my heart, that Christmas and Easter are pagan cloaked in the sacred, and that the truth is to be found in the Feast of Tabernacles when God tabernacled with man, and that Christ is our Passover Lamb, far removed from the Easter Bunny.
Amen my Brother Drew and Sister Hardcore! I'm finding it all too difficult to shake off as well - but the Lord Knows How Much I Want To! I too have Family/Friends who don't understand the truth, and now, being in a Fundamental Baptist Church... I Know they won't accept it But in my heart I Know the Truth - and the Lord Knows how I struggle with this!
At least (Thank The Lord!) my "Immediate Family" (Ian and Steven) know the Truth and we will Not have a tree, or decorations, or other junk in our house. One day (as Brother Drew said) we will be Free from all this "Baggage" that cluttering things up! ![[clap2]](graemlins/clap2.gif)
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Psalm 119:104Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way. 105Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
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God bless your stand for the truth, Sister Hardcore.
Not many will receive it.
It is difficult to shake-off the traditions invented by man, and to seek the truth of God, devoid of baggage.
There will be no christmas trees in glory, no tinsel, no mistletoe, no presents under the tree, no stockings hung by the chimney, no plum pudding, no midnight mass. All vestiges of saturnalia, and European mythology will be abscent from Glory.
God will bless those whose walk has led them away from the celebrations of Christmas and Easter. Not all will come to this truth. Traditions are hard to remove, especially those who have a semblence of the sacred.
I don't impose my beliefs on my family so we will have a tree, and open packages on Christmas morning. It is difficult to remove 50 years of tradition overnight. I hope and pray that one day I to can practice what is in my heart, that Christmas and Easter are pagan cloaked in the sacred, and that the truth is to be found in the Feast of Tabernacles when God tabernacled with man, and that Christ is our Passover Lamb, far removed from the Easter Bunny.
In Glory we will pay homage to the Lamb of God who was incarnated and bore our sin, and reigns triumphant for evermore.
Rev. 5:
8: And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9: And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10: And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
11: And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12: Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
13: And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
14: And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
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Interesting.
Hmmm seems maybe the JW's are on the right track huh.
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Should A Christian Celebrate Christmas?
I hope you will read this in full. I am only posting the opening paragraphs here.
No need to be defensive if you're one who still celebrates Christmas. It is informative and will give you some food for thought. Try giving it a read with an open mind, as opposed to fighting it before you even start.
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Should a Christian Celebrate Christmas?
There is no Biblical warrant, precedent, nor precept for remembrance of the day of Christ's birth as a day of special religious celebration. This is not to say that we shouldn't remember Christ's birth and its significance, but for religious commemorations or celebrations, we must have Biblical command or precedent! The fact of the matter is this -- the early church did not celebrate Christ's birth, but such celebration only came into the church with the "Christianization" of pagan rites as Catholicism was made the state religion by Constantine in the fourth century A.D. Since the Word of God does not support the tradition of Christmas, a Christian's conscience ought not and must not be bound.
The following outline describes the origin of Christmas (with its associated pagan customs, symbols, and terminology), details the Scriptural support against celebrating Christmas, attempts to show that celebrating Christmas violates the spirit of every one of the ten commandments, attempts to demonstrate that celebrating Christmas does not fall in the realm of Christian liberty, and attempts to debunk eight of the major rationalizations Christians put forth for celebrating Christmas.
Your friendly neighborhood scrooge,
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