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Gramajo320
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Dear Betty,
I'm so very happy for you and your husband that you are in Houston, TX visiting with all of your family and I know that you all will have a very blessed wonderful Christmas honoring and celebrating Jesus's birth! My family and I will also be having a very blessed wonderful Christmas as we honor and celebrate Jesus's birth! We will continue to do so each year! God bless you so very much, Betty, and please know how deeply you are appreciated!
With love from your friend,
Joanne
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Betty; I love you in the Lord and I have asked you to stay as well privately. You have felt the need to defend yourself. I have not asked you defend yourself. I have not attacked you. I have called you no names; I have not accused you of anything. I have only stated the truth that Jesus was not born on December 25th and the roots of most of the traditions of Christmas are pagan. I have rebuked you for name calling and mean accusations and implications that you have made against others. I have rebuked you for falsely stating that the Roman Church was the only Church; and for your comments on forced Christianity and I would do so again as there is grave error in those things. I could not love you as a sister and do less.
I have great feelings for the lost; I do not care much that children grow up with the fantasy of Santa Clause. I and my children grew up with the fantasy of Santa Clause. What I care more about is that Children grow up with the truth of Christ. I am much more concerned about the children that grow up with a Jesus that is not Jesus, and Jesus the Messiah and tabernacle of God- Emanuel who is God with us and tabernacled among us was not born on December 25th.
I believe that I did my own children a huge great disservice by teaching them about Christmas and telling them all the lies that I told them... I raised my children to do what the heathen did; I taught them to change the times; I taught them lies and what is worse I did not know or teach them the truth.
I am so thankful that God gave me the years to teach my children the truth. The truth is so miraculous, so amazing, so glorifying.
Santa, and trees and tinsel and lights and all the sights and smells and sound of Christmas as wonderful to the senses and the emotions as they are cannot compare to the absolute majesty of God who gave to HIS people a festival hundreds of years before Christ that testified of HIS SON - the Messiah who would come to them in the fall at the end of the harvest; who would be the reason for their rejoicing - Tabernacles is the feast of Rejoicing; who would be for them Salvation; Tabernacles is the feast of our Salvation; and who would himself be a tabernacle like the first tabernacle in the wilderness the place where God did Abide and would make me to come to abide there too. There is nothing about a sleigh or 8 tiny reindeer or elves or a toy shop at the north pole or lists or toys for good boys and girls that can compare with God and what he did that one September evening when he caused Mary and Joseph to be in the City of David and give birth to the infant Jesus out doors under the stars at exactly the appointed time that had been appointed from before the foundation of the world, and in exactly the place that was spoken to David and that it would be at a time that Joseph and Mary would not be headed home after having been counted and taxed, but would be headed to Jerusalem for the Pilgrimage of the Feast of Tabernacles, and that Mary would have just enough days to be pure that her son would be circumcised and presented to the Lord in Jerusalem on the Last Great Day of God's appointed time...a Sabbath day. A day when Kings are appointed..... none of these things happen in winter... this is September... this is Tabernacles, the time of our rejoicing, the time we Cry Hosanna, the time of palm fronds and celebration and appointment of kings; this is the ingathering... the time when the harvest has been gathered and is taken from the threshing floor and from the wine presses and brought into the store house... this is the time of Christ's birth. God ordained it before the foundation of the world and it did not matter that wars had come and gone, empires has risen and fallen, rabbi's had changed times, people had been scattered and gathered... nothing but nothing that man did in the earth made this day to happen on moment before or after its precisely appointed time.
That is a miracle! That is glorious. That is the majesty of God Almighty and though the devil tries to hide all that under sparkle lights and pumpkin pie smells and pretty winter scenes and happy joy filled family memories and neatly wrapped packages and fantasy stories about plump old elves and reindeer with a nose that glows and friends that fly and shopping and commercialism and glitz and even hymns that speak of that Holy Night.... there has to be a little truth. That is what the devil does... a little truth and a whole lot of lie... Hath GOD said???
The devil cannot hide the majesty of what God did in September with all the glitz and warm fuzzy pictures of Christmas. I am so thankful that he could not hide it from me, and I am so thankful that I was given the opportunity to un hide it from my children and I have a great heart for the lost and for the children and that is why I care that when they hear of the miracle of the Birth of Jesus, it is the miracle that GOD did that they hear and not the lie that Satan concocted to try and glitz people over so they don't know what God did.
Tabernacles is still important to God. When Jesus comes back we are going to celebrate tabernacles, and when he comes back the very next festival to come is going to be Tabernacles and the nations are going to learn about Tabernacles and if the nations refuse to give honor to Tabernacles... they are gonna have drought! The feast of Tabernacles is still important to GOD.
Satan tried to out do God with Christmas,... he tried to make a more appealing feast in another month and for some he has succeeded; I was one. I loved Christmas, I loved the sights and the smells and cheer and the presents and the shopping and the baking and the cooking and the decorating and the candles and the fireplace and the songs... oh the songs, my house was filled with songs the Holy ones and the funny ones... Frosty the snowman... was happy jolly soul.. with a corn cob pipe...
But the day I saw what the miracle of Christ's birth really was... the amazing thing that God's perfect amazing unstoppable timing is when He appoints something it is appointed and the Bible is so full of his majesty in this regard and when I saw that... Christmas began to look like a bad make up job and hair doo on the town's madame.
Nothing that the enemy can fabricate can compare to what God has done. Nothing in December speaks of what God was speaking when Mary bore the Christ Child. December is not the time of harvest or the time of bringing into the store room. Winter is not the time of Kings appointment; Winter is not the time the people being led out of bondage in Egypt to the place where they would tabernacle with God... not the time of the Lord's salvation, it just is not the time that God appointed.
For me this is no different an issue than the one that we have stood side by side on. When we lead people to Jesus we need to be sure it is the Jesus and Christ of God that we lead them to, and God's Christ was not born in the winter, but at the time of in gathering, at the time of pilgrimage, at the time of Tabernacles.
That may not mean something to you; but it means a great deal to me, and I am so thankful for being allowed to see it; because it is so much more beautiful and majestic and glorious that the most glorious Christmas day I ever saw or imagined.
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To those who refuse to believe that the ACLU is not doing anything wrong, you need to wake up and find out exactly each thing they are attempting to do in removing christian things and events. However I know you cannot stand to think you are wrong so you'll just continue burying your head in the sand where you're content to be! Those of us who do honor and celebrate Jesus's birth will do so and you cannot ruin it so you might as well quit trying to ruin it for us because you will not succeed whatsoever! Merry Christmas to you!
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Yes, Linda your faith is secure, but have you no feelings for the unsaved? Have you no feelings for the young people who growing up today thinking Christmas is only about Santa Clause. GramaJo and I both signed many petitions this year to fight the ACLU and their attempt to remove Jesus from Christmas, only to come here and fight the same battle with Christians who seem to have more in common with the ACLU then other Christians. Frankly if I had not been asked privately to stay I would leave, simply because I am tired of having to defend myself.
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You need to research all that the ACLU is doing in their attempts to remove all christian things and events in this nation for you still do not know. My notification lists all of it and it is quite a list! To deny what they are doing or to ignore it is to bury your head in the sand.
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Amen Walter: there is so much truth here.
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The ACLU is NOT a threat to my faith.
I can pray ANYTIME I want to - ANYWHERE I want to
I can Worship ANYTIME I want to - ANYWHERE I want to
Kids can pray in school ANYTIME they want to - they don't have to be spoken out loud for Yahweh to hear them.
I DON'T want the teacher or principle to lead the children in prayer -
What if they are muslim or hindu or wiccan?
What if they pray in tongues and your denomination thinks tounges are wrong?
A teacher can pray for their students ANYTIME they want to - doesn't have to be outloud.
If they think they have to pray outloud then aren't they doing it for others to hear.
I don't want the schools to teach the children about God
Which faith or denomination are they going to teach?
That's the PARENTS responsibility.
I don't want schools and teachers to force THEIR faith and interpetation on the children
What if you're buddist, should your child be forced to celebrate christmas
What if your kid's teacher is buddist, do you want them to force their beliefs on the kids?
What if you understand the pagan roots of christmas and easter and you don't want your children to participate, you think they should be forced to?
The schools funtion IS NOT to worship, or determine HOW to worship.
That's the family's place and the church's place.
Remeber HOW and WHY this country was formed
By christians who didn't want the government to control or influence their practice of faith.
It is OUR job to witness to the lost, NOT the school's or government's job to force it.
If you own a store and aren't christian don't you have the right not to put up merry christmas stuff?
Or worse yet: you are a christian who understands the pagan roots of christmas and easter, and you own a chain of stores and don't want merry christmas or hoppy easter, don't they have that right.
You can still celebrate christmas and easter they way you want - ACLU is not taking that away.
Churches can still celebrate christmas and easter they way they wish - ACLU is not taking that away.
I don't want you making me practice your faith, your way.
I don't want my town or state to make me practice faith as others determine.
I don't want my tax $ to be used for celebrating religion - ANY religion, that's my job to determine HOW and WHERE my money is used for God.
I don't want the President to determine my practice of faith, because I think his stinks (he beleives christians and muslims and buddists worship the same God)
The ACLU is not threating to stop me from going down to the truck stop chapel and minister Yahshua to people.
If an owner of a truckstop DOESN'T want a chapel, or worship service at his truckstop, he has the freedom and right.
I thought of a page of things that I could say regarding this post... but I dont want to take from it. So the best thing that I can say is Amen!
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To the ones who refuse to see the truth about the ACLU you need to research. I just received an e-mail outlining everything the ACLU is doing to remove Christ and anything christian in our nation and it's quite a list! Betty has told the truth and Shadowmaker amen to you newest posting!
To the others who refuse to see the truth you need to open your eyes and do some research!
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How is the ACLU taking Christ out of Christmas? LOL Are you that blind? Who do you think is behind "Happy Holidays" and "winter festival"? And you re right, they nor you, WILL NOT affecting my celebration of Christmas. Kinda odd, you have yet to deny supporting them. Hmmmm.
MERRY CHRISTMAS.
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TG
Why aren't you answering my question of HOW the ACLU is affesting your celebration of christmas?
I think it's because you can't
Because they AREN'T
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Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
Jesus has always been in Christmas. It is the ACLU and their friends that are trying to change that.
Merry Christmas,
betty
That's not true TG. You refuse to acknowledge the facts. I'm sorry.
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Jesus has always been in Christmas. It is the ACLU and their friends that are trying to change that.
Merry Christmas,
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Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
The truth is the ACLU is fighting tooth and nail to remove Jesus from Christmas and you and your friends are doing the same. This makes you and the ACLU buddies. This is the truth.
betty
As far as changing. I have loved Christmas since I was a toddler.
We are not trying to remove Jesus from Christmas TG. He was never in it. That is the truth, no matter how you slice it.
We are standing for biblical Truth and fighting against a pagan holiday which the RCC adopted and called holy. The ACLU has nothing to do with that. It seems that your Christian political activism has overshadowed common sense.
Christians all over the world continue to buy into a lie. It is sad, but that's the way it is.
I don't doubt that you have loved Christmas since you were young. Many have. That's why it's so hard to give up. The lie is deeply ingrained.
But you have changed. You used to fight for biblical Truth and against the RCC's heretical teaching. Now you fight those who stand for Truth and you embrace the RCC's lies. You are the only one of the "Truth warriors" here who jumped to the other side of the track. Doesn't that at least cause you to pause and think for a minute?
Maybe you haven't really prayerfully investigated the facts because you're afraid of what you'll find?
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HOW is the ACLU taking Jesus out of Christmas??
In what way has it affected YOUR celebration?
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The truth is the ACLU is fighting tooth and nail to remove Jesus from Christmas and you and your friends are doing the same. This makes you and the ACLU buddies. This is the truth.
betty
As far as changing. I have loved Christmas since I was a toddler.
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TG,
Please look back at some of your posts. Does it not strike you odd that they are all secular stories and songs? None of them are scriptural. That in itself ought to tell you something. There is also quite a bit of venom in some of your posts. That's just not like you.
On top of that, you have taken to accusing brethren who have a solid record of standing for biblical Truth, of siding with the ACLU. I know that you know better than that. We do not side with the ACLU. We side with Truth. The ACLU has a completely different agenda and motivation than we do. This is about honoring our Lord in His Truth, not the RCC's warped version. Quite frankly, bringing the ACLU into this discussion is ridiculous. It has absolutely nothing to do with what we're saying. It appears that your emotions are clouding your judgement and that your head is "in the world", not "in the Word".
Think about it. Who do you usually side with on this board in the battle for Truth? Who do you side with now in defending Christmas? You are now vehemently against those who are usually your fellow warriors. Red flag?
We who are on the side of Truth have not changed. We are still fighting the same battle. It is you who has switched sides and now fights for fables and man-made traditions; all of which have solid roots in paganism and RCC garbage, not scripture.
Have I changed? No. Has Caretaker or HFHS changed? No. How about Soft Touch, wparr, or WildB? No. We are all still here on the same side of Truth. You accuse us of siding with the enemy; the ACLU. I'm afraid it is you who has sided with the grandaddy of all enemies on this one.
I love you as a dear sister in Christ TG. I hope you know that. I say none of this with any malice or ill will. I am simply disappointed in your stance.
I do wish you safe travels and a blessed time with your family.
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The ACLU is NOT a threat to my faith.
I can pray ANYTIME I want to - ANYWHERE I want to
I can Worship ANYTIME I want to - ANYWHERE I want to
Kids can pray in school ANYTIME they want to - they don't have to be spoken out loud for Yahweh to hear them.
I DON'T want the teacher or principle to lead the children in prayer -
What if they are muslim or hindu or wiccan?
What if they pray in tongues and your denomination thinks tounges are wrong?
A teacher can pray for their students ANYTIME they want to - doesn't have to be outloud.
If they think they have to pray outloud then aren't they doing it for others to hear.
I don't want the schools to teach the children about God
Which faith or denomination are they going to teach?
That's the PARENTS responsibility.
I don't want schools and teachers to force THEIR faith and interpetation on the children
What if you're buddist, should your child be forced to celebrate christmas
What if your kid's teacher is buddist, do you want them to force their beliefs on the kids?
What if you understand the pagan roots of christmas and easter and you don't want your children to participate, you think they should be forced to?
The schools funtion IS NOT to worship, or determine HOW to worship.
That's the family's place and the church's place.
Remeber HOW and WHY this country was formed
By christians who didn't want the government to control or influence their practice of faith.
It is OUR job to witness to the lost, NOT the school's or government's job to force it.
If you own a store and aren't christian don't you have the right not to put up merry christmas stuff?
Or worse yet: you are a christian who understands the pagan roots of christmas and easter, and you own a chain of stores and don't want merry christmas or hoppy easter, don't they have that right.
You can still celebrate christmas and easter they way you want - ACLU is not taking that away.
Churches can still celebrate christmas and easter they way they wish - ACLU is not taking that away.
I don't want you making me practice your faith, your way.
I don't want my town or state to make me practice faith as others determine.
I don't want my tax $ to be used for celebrating religion - ANY religion, that's my job to determine HOW and WHERE my money is used for God.
I don't want the President to determine my practice of faith, because I think his stinks (he beleives christians and muslims and buddists worship the same God)
The ACLU is not threating to stop me from going down to the truck stop chapel and minister Yahshua to people.
If an owner of a truckstop DOESN'T want a chapel, or worship service at his truckstop, he has the freedom and right.
What specific way is the ACLU stopping you from practicing your faith?
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_WA_Holiday_Problems.html
This is why I get so angry at Christians who support the ACLU on this. Christians who fight Jesus in Christmas are in the bed with the ACLU in making Christmas into Winter Holidays. One by one our rights as an American to have our Relegious celeberations are being taken away. I can't imagine why a Christian would give them up without a fight and encourage other Christians to take up the banner with the ACLU. I honestly believe they will answser to God for this.
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TYPICAL
Jesus AT THE END
AN AFTER THOUGHT ONLY
Very typical. Personally, I prefer the description of Jesus from Revelation 1.
The RCC likes to portray Jesus either as a weak helpless baby in a manger or hanging dead on the cross; not to mention that He also needs Mary's help. Revelation 1 must not be in their bible either. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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TYPICAL
Jesus AT THE END
AN AFTER THOUGHT ONLY
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This was on the Church Bulletin this morning from the Church I grew up in.
What is Christmas?
A home with gleaming windows
Of dancing candle light,
Glistening stars of silver
High o'er a blanket of shimmering white.
Crimson poinsettias 'mid holly and pine,
Shining balls on a tree,
Happy children's faces
Makes Christmas precious to me.
Candy canes of red and white
Presents with satin bows,
A friendly chat with a loved one
By an amber log that glows.
A Bible on the mantle
Bright eyes of a girl and a boy
As they hear the Christmas story
Singing Christmas joys.
A tiny Babe in a manger
God's gift from heaven above,
The very reason for Christmas
Perfected through His love.
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For Thy Law is Truth and Love
Words: from Psalm 119:145-160
Music: Dwight Armstrong
1. With my whole heart have I cried to Thee;
O Eternal hear my prayer;
for I keep Thy law and meditate
on Thy precepts night and day.
I am up before the dawn to pray;
For my hope is in Thy word.
Hear my voice according to Thy great love
Save me Lord, and quicken me.
2. My pursuers come with malice near;
And Thy law they do not keep;
But Eternal, Thou art near to me
and all Thy commands are true;
Thou hast founded them forever, Lord,
They are valid for all time.
Look on m affliction, deliver me;
For I love Thy law, O God.
3. I do not forget Thy law, O God;
How I love all Thy commands;
But the wicked do not seek Thy law
and Thy way is far from them.
Many are my persecutors, Lord,
Yet I never turned from Thee.
O consider how I do love Thy law;
For Thy law is truth and love.
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Christ, Our Passover
Words and music: Ross Jutsum
1. Jesus knew that the time to depart had now arrived
He must go to the Father up above.
Having loved His disciples unto the very end,
Now He showed them the fullness of His love.
CHORUS
"This bread is my body broken for you;
DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.
This cup, the new covenant is my blood,
by which you shall all be redeemed."
Now Christ is our Passover sacrificed;
eternal life showed us the way,
We'll take up our cross and DENY OURSELVES
as we faithfully follow each day.
2. And while we were still sinners, Christ died for all our sins,
Gave His life as a sacrifice for all;
Showing love and compassion for all His family,
Jesus Christ, He has reconciled us all.
CHORUS
3. Let us focus our eyes on our Savior and our King,
As perfecter and author of our faith.
for the joy set before Him, our Lord endured the cross
So that we all would run and win the race.
CHORUS
4. He will never forsake us, He'll never leave His sons
And His daughters will never be alone.
Interceding for sisters and brothers that He loves;
Serving all of God's children from His throne.
CHORUS
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Church of God, Awake!
Words: Charles H. Gabriel, 1856-1932
Music: Wallace I. Coburn
1. O Church of God, awake, awake;
Seize fast thy sword and gird with might!
The hosts of darkness mighty are,
and bold and strong they press the fight;
but see thy Captain leads thee on,
He Who hath conquered ev'ry foe.
Thou needst not fear, but follow fast
and go with Him where He shall go.
Refrain
Awake, awake, O Church of God;
Arouse in might, to battle go!
See, see, the hosts of darkness stand,
and gathers fast the haughty foe!
Awake! awake for Christ thy Lord,
Awake! gird on the shield and sword.
Press hard the fight, no respite make;
O Church of God, awake, awake!
2. The bars of death He tore apart;
The stone, the guard, Ah what were they
when He shall rise, the mighty Lord
and usher in the triumph day?
He, Who arose in might and pow'r
and lives a victor over all,
Will lead thee on to victory
if thou but hear his battle call.
Refrain
3. Up then, resolve to valiant be,
and force the fight till it is won;
Stay not thy hand, and thou shalt win
since Christ, they Capitan, leads thee on.
What tho' the conflict long may be,
and when thy weapons are laid down,
thou shalt be wounded, weak and worn?
Thy Lord in honor thee shalt crown.
Refrain
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O Holy Night
The stars are brightly shining
It is the night of our dear Savior's birth
Long lay the world in sin and error pining
'Til He appeared and the soul felt its worth
A thrill of hope, the weary world rejoices
For yonder breaks a new and glorious morn!
Fall on your knees,
O hear the angels' voices!
O night divine,
O night when Christ was born
O night divine,
O night divine,
O night divine!
Led by the light of faith serenely beaming,
With glowing hearts by His cradle we stand.
So led by light of a star sweetly gleaming,
Here came the wise men from Orient land.
The King of kings lay thus in lowly manger,
In all our trials born to be our Friend!
He knows our need; to our weakness is no stranger.
Behold your King; before Him lowly bend!
Behold your King; before Him lowly bend!
Truly He taught us to love one another;
His law is love and His Gospel is peace.
Chains shall He break for the slave is our brother
And in His Name all oppression shall cease.
Sweet hymns of joy in grateful chorus raise we,
Let all within us praise His holy Name!
Christ is the Lord! O praise His name forever!
His power and glory evermore proclaim!
His power and glory evermore proclaim!
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Oh little town of Bethlehem, how still we see thee lie
Above thy deep and dreamless sleep the silent stars go by
Yet in the dark streets shineth, the everlasting light
The hopes and fears of all the years are met in thee tonight.
For Christ is born of Mary, and gathered all above
While mortals sleep the angels keep their watch of wondering love
Oh morning stars together, proclaim the holy birth.
And praises sing to God the king, and peace to men on earth.
How silently, how silently, the wondrous gift is given
So God imparts to human hearts the blessings of his heaven
No ear may hear his coming, but in this world of sin
Where meek souls will receive him still, the dear Christ enters in.
Oh holy Child of Bethlehem, descend to us we pray
Cast out our sin and enter in, be born in us today
We hear the Christmas angels, the great glad tidings tell
O come to us, abide with us, our lord Emanuel.
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Joy to the world! The Lord is come:
let earth receive her King!
Let every heart prepare him room,
and heaven and nature sing.
Joy to the earth! the Saviour reigns:
let men their songs employ,
while fields and floods, rocks,hills and plains
repeat the sounding joy.
No more let sins and sorrows grow,
nor thorns infest the ground:
he comes to make his blessings flow
far as the curse is found.
He rules the earth with truth and grace,
and makes the nations prove
the glories of his righteousnes
and wonders of his love.
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Holly Jolly Christmas
Have a holly, jolly Christmas;
It's the best time of the year
I don't know if there'll be snow
but have a cup of cheer
Have a holly, jolly Christmas;
And when you walk down the street
Say Hello to friends you know
and everyone you meet
Oh
ho
the mistletoe
hung where you can see;
Somebody waits for you;
Kiss her once for me
Have a holly jolly Christmas
and in case you didn't hear
Oh by golly
have a holly
jolly Christmas this year
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Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
HisGrace,
Some Christians hate Christmas so much, that they are willing to bad mouth everything about Christmas including the wise men.
betty
Well lets look to the "Tec Manual of Life" (The KJV Bible)
My answers come from the text http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=4383973
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http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=4618962
That the "wise men" were not invited to the birth of our Lord but found him sometime later at a house as a child.(not babe in a manger)
ONLY THE SHEPARDS WERE INVITED THAT NIGHT.
Another point it never says how manny "wise men" were there , only the "3" different types of gifts.
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11] And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
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Luke.2
[8] And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night.
[9] And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid.
[10] And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
[11] For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
[12] And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger.
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This article by Barry Setterfield, entitled "The Christmas Star", is an interesting read. There was a great deal of research went into the article.
http://www.setterfield.org/star.htm
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16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh..
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Psalms 118:24 This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.
The LORD made Dec.25th, i will rejoice and be glad.
I will worship the LORD on Dec. 25th.
I will not declare Dec. 25th to be Jesus, birthday, that is a lie.
I will go nowhere that day that preaches Dec. 25th as the birthday of Jesus and partake of the lie.
A lie is not truth, there is nothing holy in a lie.
Lk. ch. 1, is a perfect guideline to find the birthay of Jesus.
It takes you to the fall season, late Seprember to early October, the Feast of Trumpets, Day of Attonement and Feast of Tabernacles.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
dwelt = tabernacled
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Shadowmaker,
Thank you very much for your postings of Christmas songs! God bless you very much!
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I'm Getting Nuttin' For Christmas
Broke my bat on Johnny's head;
Somebody snitched on me.
I hid a frog in sister's bed;
Somebody snitched on me.
I spilled some ink on Mommy's rug;
I made Tommy eat a bug;
Bought some gum with a penny slug;
Somebody snitched on me.
CHORUS: Oh,
I'm gettin' nuttin' for Christmas
Mommy and Daddy are mad.
I'm gettin' nuttin' for Christmas
'Cause I ain't been nuttin' but bad.
I won't be seeing Santa Claus;
Somebody snitched on me.
He won't come visit me because
Somebody snitched on me.
Next year I'll be going straight;
Next year I'll be good, just wait
I'd start now, but it's too late;
Somebody snitched on me.
So you better be good whatever you do
'Cause if you're bad, I'm warning you,
You'll get nuttin' for Christmas.
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Mary did you know
That your baby boy will one day walk on water?
Mary did you know
That your baby boy will save our sons and daughters?
Did you know
That your baby boy has come to make you new?
This child that you've delivered
Will soon deliver you
Mary did you know
That your baby boy will give sight to a blind man?
Mary did you know
That your baby boy will calm the storm with his hand?
Did you know
That your baby boy has walked where angels trod?
And when you kiss your little baby
You've kissed the face of God
Mary did you know?
The blind will see
The deaf will hear
The dead will live again
The lame will leap
The dumb will speak
The praises of the Lamb
Mary did you know
That your baby boy is Lord of all creation?
Mary did you know
That your baby boy will one day rule the nations?
Did you know
That your baby boy is heaven's perfect Lamb?
This sleeping child you're holding
Is the Great I Am
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Joy to the world! The Lord is come:
let earth receive her King!
Let every heart prepare him room,
and heaven and nature sing.
Joy to the earth! the Saviour reigns:
let men their songs employ,
while fields and floods, rocks,hills and plains
repeat the sounding joy.
No more let sins and sorrows grow,
nor thorns infest the ground:
he comes to make his blessings flow
far as the curse is found.
He rules the earth with truth and grace,
and makes the nations prove
the glories of his righteousnes
and wonders of his love.
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My heart will not let me do Christmas, but I Am in this world with no way out except by the grave, death, or the rapture.
While I am here I have one purpose to exalt the name and the person of Yeshua!
When some says "Merry Christmas" of "Happy Holiday" I will respond with …
"Yeshua/Jesus is calling, have you heard His Call. There is one way to eternal life, have you called on His name, ask for His Blood to cover your sins? Have you repented of your sins and changed your direction in life.
It is this and this action alone that will set you free to experience a relationship with Yahweh. To experience love, joy, peace, patience, longsuffering, meekness, gentleness, kindness,
Be free from the bondages of traditions of men.
What ever you do, do in Truth with all your heart.
Know Yahweh hates a mixture in faith
Only the pure in heart shall see Yahweh
Guard your heart of a mixture with this world and a mixture of the things of Yahweh
A divided heart will not enter heaven”
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aw...com'on, just return Balthazar, Gaspar, and Melchior to Wal-Mart. ![[happyhappy]](graemlins/happyhappy.gif)
God bless, ![[Cross]](graemlins/cross.gif) BORN AGAIN
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not me, I respect the wise men, who worshipped at the feet of my Lord and Savior. Did the relegious leaders of the time, worship at Jesus feet? No!
Did King Herod? No! The wise men led by God brought gifts to Jesus and prayed to Him.
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ou would go so low as to trash the wise men in order to trash Christmas. Shame on you.{bold by BORN AGAIN}
Psalm 89:45
The days of his youth have you shortened: you have covered him with shame. Selah.
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you would go so low as to trash the wise men in order to trash Christmas. Shame on you.
betty ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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TEXASGRANDMA writes quote:
would Satan allow his people to worship Jesus? I don't think so.
Lucifer-Satan couldn't care less what his people do, as long as it is not having "faith in salvation thru Jesus", that's the only thing that infuriates Lucifer-Satan. Other than that, Lucifer-Satan is the quintessential "I couldn't care less" kind of boss.
There are lots of New Agers who worship Jesus, but not in the Christian way. The New Agers believe in "the Christ", like "the Buddha" and maintain that any "advanced" person can attain to "the Christ".
And they definitely worship Jesus as an Ascended Master. I know, I used to do it myself.
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1 : to honor or reverence as a divine being or supernatural power
2 : to regard with great or extravagant respect, honor, or devotion
intransitive senses : to perform or take part in worship or an act of worship
would satan allow his people to worship Jesus? I don't think so.
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TGRANDMA writes quote:
All I know is the wise men prayed to Jesus.
The Bible does not say that they "prayed" to Jesus, only that they "worshipped" Jesus.
Let's not start adding stuff, or I'm going to have to ask you to move this Topic to "Exposing False Teaching".
Oh no, it is already there. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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I have no clue what Tec Manual of Life is.
All I know is the wise men prayed to Jesus. That is good enough for me.
thank you and God bless you both.
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TEXASGRANDMA writes quote:
I expected to fight the ACLU but I never thought I would have to fight fellow Christians to keep Jesus as the reason for the season.
These fellow Christians sit back and feel pride because they do not celeberate Christmas but they are in the same bed with athiest and other ACLU card members and sadly this does not bother them.
TG, just to keep the record straight, I do celebrate Christmas as a good opportunity to evangelize--and I love colored lights too.
But that does not mean that the Magi were sent by God. But I can see that if someone has bought a crèche which includes "3 wise men", they probably don't want to hear that there are "bad men" in their crèche.
But to repeat, I like Christmas.
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Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
what takes place in Christian Churches across the world on Christmas Day is Holy.
betty
Please post your script from the Tec Manual of Life to back your statement.
I can only find this.
1Cor.11
1. [25] After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
2. [26] For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
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