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I've had this discussion before with them. NO WHERE in the Bible does it say you HAVE to be baptised. You should be but that doesnt save you. I always ask this question, "When Jesus was baptised, was he baptised in his own name?"
Ive never gotten an answer to that question.Brad
I believe baptism is an important symbol of Jesus' being baptized, but it is not a requirement for getting into heaven. Paul never baptized. The scriptures are open for interpretation because Jesus himself said in Acts 1:3 "John baptized with water, but in a just a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit." We must be filled with the Holy Spirit in order to get into heaven.
In every version of Jesus' baptism in The Gospels the Spirit of God descended like a dove and settled on him. And a voice from heaven said. "This is my beloved Son, and I am fully pleased with him."
Before Jesus ascended into heaven he told the disciples that the Holy Spirit would be sent as a gift of grace to all mankind. The Holy Spirit came upon the disciples and many others on the day of Pentecost shortly after that.
It is at that time that Jesus specified that baptism would be done in the hame of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit from then on.
These instructions are clearly from Jesus himself -.
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matt. 28:19).
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"Acts 2:38," Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Acts 19:5, "When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
In these references,'in the name of the Lord Jesus' does not mean to be baptized by the authority of Jesus Christ; but it means to be baptized for him and his service; to be consecrated in this way, and by this public profession, to him, and to his cause. The name of Jesus Christ means the same as Jesus Christ himself. To be baptized to his name is to be devoted to him. The word name is often thus used. And the profession which they were to make amounted to this: A confession of sins; a hearty purpose to turn from them; a reception of Jesus as the Messiah, and as their Saviour; and a determination to become his followers, and to be devoted to his service.
Thus, (1 Corinthians 10:2) to be "baptized unto Moses," means to take him as the leader and guide. It does not follow that in administering the ordinance of baptism they used only the name of Jesus Christ. It is much more probable that they used the form prescribed by the Saviour himself, (Matthew 28:19;) though as the peculiar mark of a Christian is that he receives and honours Jesus Christ, this name is used here as implying the whole. The same thing occurs in Acts 19:5." (Barnes' Notes)
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My son-in-law was raised in the United Pentecostal Church. They do not believe in the Trinity.
Betty, part of what you have written is over my head. What does it mean when you say they don't believe in the Trinity? They don't believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? What exactly DO they believe in?
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They believe, from what I understand, you have to be baptised in the "name of Jesus". If you are baptised in the name of the "father, the son and the holy spirit" then you werent baptised correctly. And therefore, you cant go to heaven.
I ve had this discussion before with them. NO WHERE in the Bible does it say you HAVE to be baptised. You should be but that doesnt save you. I always ask this question, "When Jesus was baptised, was he baptised in his own name?"
Ive never gotten an answer to that question.
Brad
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I came across this scripture this morning that lines up the assurance that Jesus and God are one and the same.
Philippians 2:5-7 Your attitude should be the same that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not demand and cling to his rights as God. He made himself nothing; he took the humble position of a slave and appeared in human form.
When we look at apostacy, we should be able to point out scriptures in black and white that come against what a certain belief purports to be true. There is no chance of misenterpreting this scripture.
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Oneness Pentecostal theology affirms that there exists only one God in all the universe. It affirms the deity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit. However, Oneness theology denies the Trinity. The Trinity is the doctrine that there is one God who manifests Himself as three distinct, simultaneous persons. The Trinity does not assert that there are three gods, but only one. This is important because many groups who oppose orthodoxy, will accuse Trinitarians of believing in three gods. But this is not so. The doctrine of the Trinity is that there is one God in three persons.
Oneness theology denies the Trinity and teaches that God is a single person who was "manifested as Father in creation and as the Father of the Son, in the Son for our redemption, and as the Holy Spirit in our regeneration." Another way of looking at it is that God revealed himself as Father in the Old Testament, as the Son in Jesus during Christ’s ministry on earth, and now as the Holy Spirit after Christ’s ascension.
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Originally posted by TEXASGRANDMA:
My son-in-law was raised in the United Pentecostal Church. They do not believe in the Trinity.
Betty, part of what you have written is over my head. What does it mean when you say they don't believe in the Trinity? They don't believe in God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit? What exactly DO they believe in?
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My son-in-law was raised in the United Pentecostal Church. They do not believe in the Trinity. I have known him for over 10 years and I honestly believe he is a Christian. I have had arguments with my daughter because she was re-baptized in Jesus' name only. I believe they are going to Heaven, but I believe they will find out they were very wrong about the trinity.
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Just a question?
Are Apostolic's (oneness penicostal) born again Christians? and Why?
I believe that it is a dangerous route to follow when one refuses to believe in the Trinity. The scriptures say that we are filled with Jesus' Holy Spirit when we are saved. The Bible also says that God and Jesus and one and the same.
Can new followers who weren't previously born again become born again under this theology - I really don't know? I would like to receive discernment in this matter.
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I will Amen that Walt! Even if you are a bit of a weirdo ![[Razz]](tongue.gif) My mom used to say it takes one to know one. ![[pound]](graemlins/pound.gif)
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I'm not disputing pretrib, I plan on being one of those wierdos myself.
My point was what church someone attends doesn't determine salvation, but their personal beliefs.
There are people sitting in dead false churches (like the catholic church) that are going to heaven.
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There are people sitting in the best, Bible teaching, Bible living and doing churches, that won't make heaven.
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Betty,
A big amen to your posting! I am in complete agreement with you! Jim, his wife, and the boys, Julie,(my daughter) and I all plan on being among those weirdos (but truly you're not and none of us are weirdos) also being taken up in the rapture!
What a wonderful day that will be! God bless you very much, Betty!
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Oneness does not believe in the trinity.
As far as the pre-trib rapture, I plan on being one of the weirdo's going up in the rapture.
betty
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Being a member of a particular denomination DOES NOT save a person.
God DOES NOT save denominations, He saves people who are Born Again by His Holy Spirit thru faith.
If the pre-trib rapture happens, alot of churches will go on as normal - with the exception that the few weirdos will be gone.
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My daughter is an Oneness and she is a Christian. She has been saved since she was a young child but join the Oneness Church after marriage. Am I thrilled about it? NO!!! I believe in the trinity.
betty
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Just a question?
Are Apostolic's (oneness penicostal) born again Christians? and Why?
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